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204.1 | was that 3 out of ten? | RANCHO::RAH | Block that metaphor! | Tue Oct 21 1986 21:30 | 1 |
| What does the number mean - 3 out of what, 10?
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204.2 | What the performance codes mean | HUMAN::CONKLIN | Peter Conklin | Tue Oct 21 1986 22:42 | 9 |
| The ratings are:
1 Exceptional performance
2 Exceeds job Requirements
3 Meets job Requirements
5 Fails to meet requirements
There used to be a 4 (Requires development), but it disappeared a
year or two ago.
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204.3 | The "4" still lives | MEDUSA::KWILSON | | Tue Oct 21 1986 22:54 | 3 |
| That's because EVERYBODY requires development. Nice to know that
no matter how well you perform, there is still someone out there
who still isn't satisfied.
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204.4 | my opinion | SAUTER::SAUTER | John Sauter | Wed Oct 22 1986 09:04 | 32 |
| In my not-very-humble opinion, requiring that the average performance
rating in a department be 3 (or any other number) is unreasonable.
People should be rated as individuals, without regard to the ratings
of the other people in the department. If a manager can bring his
people up from 3s to 2s, he should be proud, because one of his
jobs is to ``grow his people''.
However, I think you have evidence that there is really no such
requirement in your department. From the evidence you got from
Personnel, you were apparently lied to, since the average rating
in your department did not come out "3". The second explanation
that was given to you, that your job was less valuable than the
jobs of the engineers, was probably closer to the truth, but it
smells bad to me also. Managers are not required to give raises
based on the performance evaluation. They can give raises based
on how valuable you are to the department, independent of your
performance in your job.
I suspect that the truth is that you are not considered as valuable
to the department as the engineers, and that your manager tried
to cover this up by lying to you about a requirement for an average
performance rating. When you found him out he told you the truth,
but he was not considerate enough to revise your rating to be what
you deserve. Perhaps he knows that raises do not have to follow
performance, but does not want to have to justify his prejudice
towards engineers to his manager, so fudges your performance rating
to avoid an argument.
In either case, it sounds like you are in a bad situation. Catching
the boss in a lie is not a good way to improve your future prospects
in that department.
John Sauter
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204.5 | I'd punt | MAHLER::DEROSA | Well... here we are. | Wed Oct 22 1986 09:11 | 1 |
| Can you leave the group? Look for greener pastures?
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204.6 | Well... | ISHTAR::PARADISO | No Worries, Mate! | Wed Oct 22 1986 11:59 | 13 |
| Re:.4
I agree with you 100% that people should be rated as individuals. I
guess my boss didn't fight for me enough to reverse that rating. Has this
occured in other departments? Is it wise to give the manager that much
power (the ability to place a value on an individual and pay him accordingly),
and what about employee drive and initiative?
Re:.5
The problem I'm having is that I like the people in my group (fellow
peons like myself), but I suppose that's not a good enough reason to
take that kind of treatment.
Dave
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204.7 | on the other hand.,. | SAUTER::SAUTER | John Sauter | Wed Oct 22 1986 14:16 | 19 |
| re: .6--I think it is wise to allow a manager to place a value on
an individual and pay him accordingly. If an individual has a higher
value in another department, then it is better for the company if
the individual moves to that other department.
Of course, it is possible for a manager to abuse this privilege.
However, managers have lots of ways to abuse their authority, adding
one more doesn't make the problem any worse. A really bad manager
will eventually be found out (by his manager) and removed.
In my somewhat-more-humble opinion, liking the people in your group
is a perfectly good reason to stay, even if you don't like the manager.
You must judge which weighs more with you: the company of people
you like and are comfortable with, versus the bad treatment you
are getting from your management. Changing departments is a risk,
since you can't be sure about either the workers or the management
in a new department. Sometimes things get so bad that you feel
that the risk is worthwhile.
John Sauter
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204.8 | In (sort of) the same boat | DRAGON::MCVAY | Pete McVay, VRO (Telecomm) | Wed Oct 22 1986 14:19 | 36 |
| I am in the same situation. I had a number of differences of
opinion and outright personality conflicts when I first joined this
group, and they are somewhat reflected on this performance review.
However, when I protested, many other explanations were also given:
(1) 3 isn't so bad, (2) we can't rate everyone highly, (3) since
I just came into the group, it would be hard to rate me higher,
and (4) this leaves room for improvement.
Since in my other jobs I got consistent 2's and 1's, I was somewhat
shocked by this. All I can suggest is, see your Personnel Rep.
Here are your opions:
1. See your boss and have the review changed. (Sounds like you
already tried that.)
2. Write a rebuttal to be attached to the review.
3. Don't sign the review.
Note on the last: this is the FIRST time in ten years with the company
that I have seen a review before it was written, and have also been
asked to sign it! Our personnel rep says that pre-review and signature
is company policy, and is in the corporate personnel policy book.
Interesting...
General comment: I have had to write reviews in other companies
and situations, and have also run into the rating system. The Federal
government review forms, in fact, encourage it. When I asked if
rating was a specific policy at DEC, the personnel rep said no.
Each person is supposed to be rated individually. In theory, an
entire division could be rated 1's.
I have seen managers in DEC rank individuals because of pay scales.
Managers are only allowed so much for pay raises, and they tend
to adjust each performance review to match the salaries. Maybe
your division (and mine) got a low budget for salaries this year...
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204.9 | | ISHTAR::PARADISO | No Worries, Mate! | Wed Oct 22 1986 15:07 | 13 |
| re:-.1
I have been with DEC for 5.5 years and I have never (like many
people have said elsewhere) had to sign a performance review.
My group was one of the most visible in the company, because
we were responsible for the support and testing of both the
VENUS (VAX 8600) and MORNING STAR (8650) programs and we are
now currently working on the next line of mainframes (I really
can't say what the name of it is). So I would doubt that we
had a low budget for salaries (could be, but I would tend to
doubt it).
Dave
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204.10 | thank goodness for small favors? | TIGEMS::ARNOLD | Cryptic & possibly amusing comment | Wed Oct 22 1986 17:21 | 6 |
| At least you got a review! And this will help if you decide to
seek greener pastures. Before taking my current position, I went
for 3+ years without *any* performance reviews, which made it somewhat
difficult for my potential manager to evaluate me.
Jon
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204.11 | Planning and actual performance statistics | HUMAN::CONKLIN | Peter Conklin | Wed Oct 22 1986 22:05 | 17 |
| In the context of relatively large groups, there is a strong guideline
to ensure a reasonable spread of ratings. This is done as part of
the salary planning process each year. The guidelines, as I recall,
were roughly:
10% performance 1
40% performance 2
50% performance 3
This is more a guideline that an enforced requirement. The real
question is to ensure that the individuals are properly rated. Thus,
these averages don't apply particularly well to smaller groups.
My experience in over a dozen years of management is that despite
a wide variety of groups and individuals backgrounds, large groups
that are have properly evaluated individuals (and properly classified
to begin with) tend to fall into this percentage split.
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204.12 | The Great Salary Planning Game. | CEDSWS::NEWKERK | | Thu Oct 23 1986 00:53 | 41 |
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I'd like to expand on some thoughts caused by the remarks in .8 about
salary planning and performance appraisals. Note the following;
1. Salary planning (a budgetary process) takes place at a fixed time
of year driven by our fiscal year. In my experience this is usually
around April/May. At this time each cost center manager MUST submit
budget of money required to meet his/her salary plan. They may not
get all they want but they do plan for the size of the 'pot' at that
point.
2. Your raise is influenced by your rating. The percentage range that
you can be given is based on performance (rating), what quartile in the
salary range for your position you are currently in etc. At least the
performance (rating) metric is done at your annual review and at least
in theory IS NOT KNOWN at the time of salary planning.
Therefore in the salary planning process;
Total salary budget for cost center = SUM ( Raises for all employees)
Raise for employee X = (some known data i.e. current position in range
+ Rating factor for employee X (this is NOT known at this point))
It's real hard to solve an equation with two unknowns like this, therefore
let's use this formula;
Total salary budget for cost center = SUM ( Raises for all employees)
Raise for all employees = (some known data i.e. current position in range
+ some pre determined distribution of Rating factors)
Oh, look! The unknown is now known and the equation can be solved for budget!
It's not exactly fixed since the money can be shifted around among
the employees in the cost center up until the raise is actually given.
But since the total budget is fixed, to give employee A a bigger raise
than you planned (he was a 3 but improved, is now a good person and
deserves a 2) you have to "Rob Peter to pay Paul."
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204.13 | All Power to Statistics! | DRAGON::MCVAY | Pete McVay, VRO (Telecomm) | Thu Oct 23 1986 10:04 | 23 |
| re: the replies concerning the distribution curves.
These distributions are funny things, and sometimes it's hard to
convince managers the the Bell Curve is not a religion or even a
desirable goal.
When I was a high school science teacher, I got into an argument
with the principal concerning my grades in class. Over 90% of one
of my classes passed, and well over half of those were A's. He
didn't like that distribution because it wasn't a bell curve. I
pointed out that this was an honors class, but couldn't resist adding
that if teaching was REALLY effective, there wouldn't be any failures
and most grades would tend toward the high end anyway. The more
effective the teaching and learning, and/or the brighter the class
was, the more the grades would be skewed toward the top end. Also,
no one complained when the skew was opposite (over half the class
failing). The principal didn't buy it, and the grades were adjusted
by the vice-principal (since I refused to alter them without a school
administration hearing).
I've seen this same "the-bell-curve-is-sacred" thinking elsewhere.
It seems to be popping up at DEC, especially in small groups (as
was mentioned in previous replies).
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204.14 | The system is good and can work well | HUMAN::CONKLIN | Peter Conklin | Thu Oct 23 1986 13:47 | 42 |
| The description in .12 is essentially accurate.
Again, based on my experience as a manager, when one has a relatively
large group, it is usually quite reasonable and fair to balance
the shifting around as the plan is implemented. If anyone doubts
this, I could show you the changes our group has made this year.
It would be a violation of confidentiality to post the details here,
however, every change I made is clearly supported and I would not
be embarrassed to publish it to my group.
If no good balance can be achieved within a group, then it is possible
to manage at a higher level. For example, if I needed to increase
someone's raise above the plan and did not see a balancing change
within my group, I would go to my manager and have him find a balance.
(I do the same for the managers that work for me if they can't find
a balance.) Of course, we do the same if someone performs below
their plan. And if there is no balancing effect within our group,
we "return" the unused money up the chain.
Good managers have always managed salaries this way. I was taught
to do so when I first went into management in 1971. It always requires
careful thought and hard work. But it does get somewhat more natural
with experience.
One of the ways that DIGITAL is establishing better operational
controls (hence better profits, schedules, ...) is to get more managers
to manage the salaries and promotions within their groups. This
is resulting in more visibility to the process. But, when done right,
it is a good process.
Note that both salary ranges and "percentages per quartile" are
very broad guidelines. Also, the amount of money a group is given
to apply to raises is a function of many factors including:
- pay scales within the group vs the competition
- position of employees in the groups vs pay scales
- overall quality of the group to meet its commitments
- ability of the management to have managed saleries in
the past.
The last point is to put some "teeth" into the importance of managers
doing their job relative to managing pay.
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204.15 | it makes some sense | NIEMAN::STEWART | | Fri Oct 24 1986 16:36 | 22 |
| I agree with the comments Pete Conklin has made. I'd like to add
a few points about changes that have occurred since I've been a
manager at DEC. In the last few years there's been an attempt to
take "pay for performance" seriously. We used to peg the per cent
raise to performance. Now we're trying to get the ending salary
to be positioned in the salary range based on the "per cent" of
the job the employee is doing. This is based on the theory that
the longer you're in a job level, the more you learn about the job
- and that there are smooth changes in your skill level, not sudden
breaks when you get a promotion. Personally, I think this makes
a lot of sense - but, like any such system, there's a fair amount
of gut feel involved. The second change is an attempt to correct
"grade inflation". Since we never wanted to give an employee bad
news, over the years the same performance has gotten progressively
higher ratings. The reiteration of the per cent of 1's etc. is
an attempt to reverse this. I admit I've found it hard to deliver
this message to my own employees - and I keep praying that most
of the rest of the managers are playing fair,too. And we all have
to remember Pete's comments about statistics not applying to small
sample sizes.
Dee
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