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Title:CSGUK_SYSTEMS
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Moderator:KERNEL::ADAMS
Created:Wed Mar 01 1989
Last Modified:Thu Nov 28 1996
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:242
Total number of notes:1855

218.0. "Change forum" by COMICS::GLEDHILL () Wed May 10 1995 23:31

Mail from Lisa Curren regarding this good stuff (note Lisa is our rep accordinng
to Jon Morris - not sure if Lisa knows this or not.)


	Hello All,

	Some of you may not be aware but I am your representative in the
	local Change Forum panel within the CSC.

	Change Forum is an improvement group and we should all by now be
	booked on the Change Forum event which will be held over the
	coming months.

	From a local point of view, we have been looking at trying to 
	build bridges between the various groups in the building . The
	first and hopefully easiest should , we think, be beneficial to us
	all - that is a common template for call write-ups.

	The way we implement this within each group can be different but
	the basic aim is to ensure that the templates used, contains the 
	same basic criteria - regarded as important information - for anyone
	who may need to look at the status of the call.

	Once a call template is in use - it should be easier to adopt a 
	"fine tuning" to show the state of the calls at a glance , maybe 
	by use of the LRS codes.  Both of these are discussed below.
 
	Please can I ask you to read the following, which I have extracted
	from the minutes of our last meeting and give me any feedback on 
	the proposal of implementing this within VMS . I'd appreciate any 
	thoughts by the end of the week if possible.

	Thank you in advance for your time.

	Lisa.

********************************************************************************
Subj:   A: Notes/Actions from UVO Change Forum - 04-MAY-95

From:   NAME: Jon Morris
        FUNC: UK Customer Support Services
        TEL: (01256) 373554 or DTN 833 3554   <MORRIS AT A1UBOHUB AT LARVAE AT
U
CG>
To:     See Below
CC:     See Below

  Folks,

  Here are the notes I made at our meeting with a list of actions for
  us all to take.

  We discussed reasons why the LSDd/t option was not being used
  extensively:
                       
         - people were already comfortable with other techniques
         - people using LRS or Service Wish instead
         - people have an ownership feeling around their queue and
            want to do it `their way'
         - having a queue backlog makes it harder to plan and manage
            to LSDd/t
         - with the best will in the world, even if you plan and set
            LSDd/t, it can all go to pot if one call goes pear shaped
         - not every team has a process for managing queues of
            absentees
         - some people may need help with associated skills (planning
            and organising, time management) and self discipline

  The meeting focussed on call management standards and, initially,
  the list of topics was:

         Call Updates
         LSDd/t use
         LARS codes
         Queue management
         LRS codes
         Service wish field
         Priority field

  We spent a short time looking at LRS codes, of which the commonly
  used ones are:

              blank because no Specialist has yet spoken to the
              customer

         CUS  the action is on the customer to try something and come
              back with the results

         TRY  the Specialist is trying to get back to the customer
              with some plan or information

         WRK  the Specialist needs to do some work on the call before
              going back to the customer

         ZOM  the call is in a `zombie' state - probably waiting for
              an agreed time period to expire with no further
              problems, after which the call can be closed:  these
              calls should be in the Resource Controllers WAIT queue

  We then worked on a standard for call updates.  We agreed the
  following proposal:

  1      Each call will have one (and only one) P description.

  2      All information relating to the call (technical updates, call
         information updates, solution information, closure criteria)
         will appear in chronological sequence in the one P
         description, from top (oldest) to bottom (newest).

  3      For AES calls, which may have many DP and DS descriptions,
         these will be summarised in the P description.

  4      All technical updates will have the following minimum
         information:

              - date and time of update
              - name and DTN of person making the update
              - the update
              - an action plan (which must include who is going
                to do what and by when).  Where the action plan is
                to close the call, the name of the customer who
                agreed to closure must be included.

  5      All call information updates will have the following minimum
         information:

              - date and time of update
              - name and DTN of person making the update
              - the update

  ACTION - All

  We will all discuss the above proposal within our Teams to solicit
  feedback on the practicality of achieving it.  This discussion will
  include the question: "Why couldn't the LSDd/t be set to be no later
  than the `by when' part of the action plan?".
  The output from these discussions will be brought to the next Change
  Forum meeting to finalise the proposal and agree the standard.

  ACTION - Jon

  Jon will set up the next meeting of the Team in about two week's
  time from 04-MAY-95.  The objective of this meeting is to agree the
  call update standard and develop an implementation strategy,
  including suggested technology fixes/aids.
 
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218.1My reply to lisa/jonCOMICS::GLEDHILLWed May 10 1995 23:35231
I know standardisation is the modern way to go (maybe we will all look the
same one day..) 

As you would probably guess I don't think that standardisation for its
own sake is a desirably thing - there may be advantages but do they outweigh
the benefits of indivuals/groups using a method appropriate to their particular
needs.  I am aware that others use different standards so whenever 
I pass a call to another group I put on the top of the call a pointer
to the up to date summary for the benefit of anyone who doesn't understand our
methods. (eg see 'a' descr by dagle). That 'a' desc may well have pointers to
other descriptions on the call.

I expect that most calls that are passed between individuals are passed within 
groups, not between them, so it is the intragroup interface that is the most
commonly used and in my option should get the most attention.

When I became the mascot for the systems group I found it almost
impossible to understand what was going on most calls passed to me, often 3,4
screens of descriptions of various types by many different people. We spent a
lot of time evolving a method that works very well I think, appropriate for our 
group, but probably not for any others. I dont want to have to  change this 
for the sake of the 1% of calls that we pass to other groups... maybe we won't
have to, I would like more info on your proposals (can you mail me the full 
minutes) - it may be that our methods would work with yours anyway.

To restate my point, it may be possible to standardise to every ones benefit,but
it may be at the expense of 'local' benefits.

I would be interested to know who is the rep from the systems group and whether
he agrees with me!

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here is the mail I am replying to. I have address stuff marked with ****

	Hello All,

	Some of you may not be aware but I am your representative in the
	local Change Forum panel within the CSC.

	Change Forum is an improvement group and we should all by now be
	booked on the Change Forum event which will be held over the
	coming months.

	From a local point of view, we have been looking at trying to 
	build bridges between the various groups in the building . The
	first and hopefully easiest should , we think, be beneficial to us
	all - that is a common template for call write-ups.

	The way we implement this within each group can be different but
	the basic aim is to ensure that the templates used, contains the 
	same basic criteria - regarded as important information - for anyone
	who may need to look at the status of the call.

	Once a call template is in use - it should be easier to adopt a 
	"fine tuning" to show the state of the calls at a glance , maybe 
	by use of the LRS codes.  Both of these are discussed below.
 
	Please can I ask you to read the following, which I have extracted
	from the minutes of our last meeting and give me any feedback on 
	the proposal of implementing this within VMS . I'd appreciate any 
	thoughts by the end of the week if possible.

	Thank you in advance for your time.

	Lisa.

********************************************************************************
Subj:   A: Notes/Actions from UVO Change Forum - 04-MAY-95

From:   NAME: Jon Morris
        FUNC: UK Customer Support Services
        TEL: (01256) 373554 or DTN 833 3554   <MORRIS AT A1UBOHUB AT LARVAE AT
U
CG>
To:     See Below
CC:     See Below

  Folks,

  Here are the notes I made at our meeting with a list of actions for
  us all to take.

  We discussed reasons why the LSDd/t option was not being used
  extensively:
                       
         - people were already comfortable with other techniques
         - people using LRS or Service Wish instead
         - people have an ownership feeling around their queue and
            want to do it `their way'
         - having a queue backlog makes it harder to plan and manage
            to LSDd/t
         - with the best will in the world, even if you plan and set
            LSDd/t, it can all go to pot if one call goes pear shaped
         - not every team has a process for managing queues of
            absentees
         - some people may need help with associated skills (planning
            and organising, time management) and self discipline

  The meeting focussed on call management standards and, initially,
  the list of topics was:

         Call Updates
         LSDd/t use
         LARS codes
         Queue management
         LRS codes
         Service wish field
         Priority field

  We spent a short time looking at LRS codes, of which the commonly
  used ones are:

              blank because no Specialist has yet spoken to the
              customer

         CUS  the action is on the customer to try something and come
              back with the results

         TRY  the Specialist is trying to get back to the customer
              with some plan or information

         WRK  the Specialist needs to do some work on the call before
              going back to the customer

         ZOM  the call is in a `zombie' state - probably waiting for
              an agreed time period to expire with no further
              problems, after which the call can be closed:  these
              calls should be in the Resource Controllers WAIT queue

********************************************************************************
** I try to use the lsd time mainly because I got a mail saying I should be
** using it. I would use it more extensively if there was a way for it to
** to send me a message when the time expires and if I could find a way to 
** list a que showing the rec time AND lsd time AND optn supp on one line
** (there may be such a thing, I haven't needed it enought to look for it).


** I (not systems group as well) have a more detailed status thing using the 
** optn supp eg.

	rms dump/cc<2-ap ie rms dump,contact customer before 2-apr (would
	prob set lsd date as well even though I wouldn't us it)

	astdel/awc 9-ap	    astdel crash, await customer action since 9-apr
			(I would set lsd date to chase date her

	sls/**wr** 		sls problem, work required (more stars
	the more urgent it is. Will do it as soon I can fit in (if there is
	an agreed  deadline I would put a date in as well,but most of the time 
	I work on calls as soone as I can.

	sched/to>3-feb		scheduler problem, will close (timeout) call	
	after 3-feb (normally for aes calls where I have told the customer
	that he can mail me back if he want any more help, else I will close
	the call.
	
	ucx/t1>8-mar		ucx problem, will send a message after that
	date saying will timeout call (ie will get to status after that.

etc...

I want to continue using these as they help me do the job, I could use the LRS
as well, but would be a waste of time to me.

********************************************************************************

  We then worked on a standard for call updates.  We agreed the
  following proposal:

  1      Each call will have one (and only one) P description.

  2      All information relating to the call (technical updates, call
         information updates, solution information, closure criteria)
         will appear in chronological sequence in the one P
         description, from top (oldest) to bottom (newest).

** note that the systems group can't use this as they need to use the p desc
** for branch updates. (we use a single a descriptions for a summary of the call
** (non tech overview), multiple ts desc for gory details (noramlly one per
** person whos has looked at the problems) ca for canasta summary (for crash 
** dumps only). I use RC desc (until I get around to creating a new type eg SU)
**  for suggestions I have made for calls I have never owned, but have seen in the 
** queue of incoming (awaiting tape in post) queue. 

  3      For AES calls, which may have many DP and DS descriptions,
         these will be summarised in the P description.

** this will be a real drag and slow me down (ie reduce the no of calls I can
** take). The whole advantage of aes call is that they are self documenting
** and easy to work on a read/reply sort of basis.

  4      All technical updates will have the following minimum
         information:

              - date and time of update
              - name and DTN of person making the update
              - the update
              - an action plan (which must include who is going
                to do what and by when).  Where the action plan is
                to close the call, the name of the customer who
                agreed to closure must be included.

** by our scheme of things this would be on the non-tech (a for action plan
** desc, the technical update would be more just that...

  5      All call information updates will have the following minimum
         information:

              - date and time of update
              - name and DTN of person making the update
              - the update

** not sure what sort of descriptions this means. 


  ACTION - All

  We will all discuss the above proposal within our Teams to solicit
  feedback on the practicality of achieving it.  This discussion will
  include the question: "Why couldn't the LSDd/t be set to be no later
  than the `by when' part of the action plan?".
  The output from these discussions will be brought to the next Change
  Forum meeting to finalise the proposal and agree the standard.

  ACTION - Jon

  Jon will set up the next meeting of the Team in about two week's
  time from 04-MAY-95.  The objective of this meeting is to agree the
  call update standard and develop an implementation strategy,
  including suggested technology fixes/aids.