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Conference kernel::csguk_systems

Title:CSGUK_SYSTEMS
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Moderator:KERNEL::ADAMS
Created:Wed Mar 01 1989
Last Modified:Thu Nov 28 1996
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:242
Total number of notes:1855

176.0. "Don't forget the per_call goals!" by KERNEL::GLEDHILL () Sun Apr 24 1994 21:48

What do we charge for and what is covered by the contract.

The vms group recently made a decision to not support out of date software
(this is something a lot of groups are cutting back on, a good example being
the pc group). I think the cutoff is pre vms 5.5, but may soon go up to 5.5-2.

I realise that we have to support the hardware, I think we will have to start
saying at an early stage in the call that if SW is pre-rev that we will only
spend a minimum time on it. (check for known problems etc). If they want to send
the dump in for detailed analysis they will have to fax a PO also. We should 
make it clear that we may not hold them to it, depending on what we find how 
much time etc. 

If this is done should be clearly marked on the A description who was told this
and when to avoid arguments later.

Also what about 3rd party software. I have been lookin at the BNFl call in the
queue 46232. Shoulnd't we get a purchase order on this one in case it turns
out to be 3rd party SW at fault.

dg.

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176.1What can you rely on?KERNEL::BLANDNorman Bland 833 3797 CSC, BasingstokeMon Apr 25 1994 20:4914
    Dave,
    
    We have a problem here which will keep biting our bums from
    time-to-time. The call you refer to (BTW thanks for you help), says
    SUSL for contract coverage. If you look at the call for contract
    coverage it shows S/W as SUSL and all the H/W I bothered to look at as
    DSS. When I called the customer today with your recommendations, he was
    slightly miffed when I said the magic word 'SUSL'. He said you use to
    say that before but I haven't heard that for sometime. On this system
    everthing is on DSS contract. When I mentioned that it was possible a
    problem with DTDRIVER he said that's great you can close the call.
    Ouch.
    
    Norman
176.2contract validation group.KERNEL::GLEDHILLMon Apr 25 1994 22:0216
yes it can be a bit delicate discussing contracts with customers. 

Another options would be to pass the call to the contract validation group.
(can't remember the hunt no, but Bev Dore is the supervisor and they sit 
upstairs between ccd and response.)

Now they don't do Sw validation yet, but since we are a hw/sw group can
probably get them to check the hw part of the contract. Also they probably
will start doing SW validations later in an attempt to raise come cash!

Nb one reason for this note is to try to get our working practices in line
with the vms group. We want to eliminate any reasons why customers log calls
with one group because they get a different service. Any other anomalies we 
should be dealing with?

dg.
176.3more on susl etc.COMICS::GLEDHILLTue Apr 26 1994 15:2618
one more thing to explain the susl/dss thing. The support contract is sold as
dss/bss or sats. This is sold against hardware, but includes automatic software
support for the operating system and decnet (and any licenced additional 
software ).

susl is the licence update service. if a customer has this then it means they
have paid for the licence to use the software (doesn't necessarily mean they
have support, they get support if they take out a support contract on the 
hardware as long as the software is licenced).

So a customer needs both to be supported strictly speaking. However due to the 
way calls are logged (against whatever the customer quotes, they look for a 
match on the contract record and select that) we only ever see one thing.

There is a possibility this may change, me and jon morris come up with some
proposals ages ago, but this may well take a while to happen.


176.4No freebies.KERNEL::ADAMSBrian Adams CSC-Viables '833-3026Wed Apr 27 1994 11:1540
    
    The way that the response groups are being forced to log calls,
    i.e without any validation/DPL checks is leaving us wide open 
    to throwing away possible income, and providing a free service 
    to customers.
    
    Sometimes it is obvious, that the call is logged against a system
    that is different, to the one that has the problem. eg log # 49172.
    On other occasions, it is not until we talk to the customer, that 
    we find we are being asked to diagnose something different. 
    CLUK numbers only confuse the issue even more, as we have no way of
    knowing what in the cluster, is really on contract. It can be 
    embarassing to ask customer to prove a contract, and that should
    not be the job of technical specialists, anyway.
    
    I think the main problem, is that the hit/pain/cost is only on the
    CSC and not on the branch or contract admin etc. To my knowledge,
    the contracts database has not been accurate for 20+ years, how
    much longer will this situation be allowed to go on ???
    
    Should we send any suspect call for vaildation ??
    
    Should we ask for a PO prior to diagnosis, on "suspect calls" on the
    basis that we may need to charge ??
    
    Should we inform the customer up-front, that if we find they are not 
    covered, then we reserve the right to charge ?? Ought to have a PO
    first, just in case !!!
    
    I agree that we should be consistent with other groups in what we will
    diagnose. i.e if VMS say "Anything before Version x.x is chargeable"
    then we should play by the same rules. As Dave says, we cannot have
    customers logging calls with a specific group, to get service that they
    may not be entitled to.
    
    Also agree that where third party software is involved, we should get 
    a PO first, in case we need to charge.
    
    Brian.
    
176.5validationsKERNEL::AYLINGWed Apr 27 1994 11:4119
I feel that one area where we give away service is when calls are logged by 
response against a valid system with a contract, and then discover that the 
call is not for that system at all. Quite often it is seen within the 
text of the  Problem Description which states a different system to the one it
logged against, or its discovered upon talking to the customer.
It is too easy to just carry on regardless and just give away free service.
An example I dealt with is log 49172. Logged against 6420 with a contract but 
stating the problem was with a m3100 which proved to have no contract.
 
My feeling is that these calls should be sent immediately for validation BEFORE
we do any work on them, either by our resource controller as was done by Debbie
or by sending them to the SPA group, but we need to be consistant in which we do. 

Or should the problem be fixed at Response by logging calls correctly in the
first place. My "perception" is that Response are being goaled more on quantity
rather than quality, and validation is no longer part of their role.


Mike.