Conference kernel::csguk_systems

    
    
    
    	See 5.12

    That's why this one's here. We should keep that note to discuss
    the serious issue of smoking and use this one to complain about
    notes getting hidden or deleted. If we use note 5 to complain of
    censorship the real issue, ie smoking, won't get the attention
    it deserves. I agree that the notes shouldn't have been hidden
    but would prefer to argue the toss about it here rather than there.
    
    Roland

    I can stand SHOUTING,I can stand being ridiculed,I can stand being
    attacked verbally,the od misspelled word or missspacebar.But what
    I really hate are those one or two noters that insist,on NOT leaving,
    spaces after punctuation marks.This makes,the note,very,very,difficult
    to read.Please,please,can we have spces aftr pnctn.Ar we tht shrt
    of dsk spce?
    
    I feel better now...                               
    
    b
                                                        

    
    
    	
    	Perhaps it's because we've all be programmed to deliver an
    	entire brain dump in the space of 3 lines.  This often means
    	that just as we're getting to the heart of the matter, we ru
    
    

    I see Helen has now accessed this conference.Might it now be a good
    time to open a discussion on whether to use this medium for secretarial
    mail, as per my earlier mail message:-
    
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    From:	KERNEL::MOUNTFORD     2-MAR-1989 10:06
To:	@POST:SYSTEMS,@POST:COMMS,@POST:DEVICES,@POST:CSG_SEC,MOUNTFORD   
Subj:	MAIL DISTRIBUTION

       A suggestion has been made,that we use the new NOTESFILE conference

as a destination for secretarial mail.This would allow users to access the

mail at will without duplication in each account,& would allow for deletion

at a suitable time,or not,as the case may be.

       It is easy for anybody to extract the file if they need a personal copy.

Are there any objections to this being implemented? 
                                                
       It also saves an awful lot of disk space,more room for notifies?
    
    Richard.
Richard.

    
    
    Yes , by all means have mail routed here ..... but , make sure that
    all the people on the list are notified that there is new mail to
    read . 
    
    My concern is that important mail may go unread simply because
    not everyone will read avery not in this conference every day .
    Therefore , I would suggest that the mail is sent to all users AND
    to the notesfile , allowing the users to read and delete the mail
    and know that a copy is still available for reference purposes . 
    
    Dave W
    

    With regard to note 2.20 -
    
    There are fathers who abuse their position as father.  Does it
    therefore follow that we should abandon the role of father?  
    
    There are people in every walk of life that abuse their privileges
    and authority.  But that doesn't invalidate the functions they are
    supposed to perform.
    
    So yes Clive, you could abuse your position as moderator, but that
    is not a comment on the validity of censorship; it's a comment on
    the moderator.

       I have started adding mail to note 4.I hope this will allow you
    folks with "quota exceeded" messages, to purge some of the less
    needed mail.You will get all the mail as normal from secretaries,
    but I will try & keep up by placing it here, or perhaps one of the
    other mods will.
    
    
    Richard.

	Theo,

	Please.  Spare me the emotive "snatching the baby from the mothers
	loving arms" arguments.  However, I think everyone is aware of 
	reported cases of obscene child abuse where the common consensus
	of opinion would be to remove the ability of fatherhood from the 
	offender.  But that is always after the fact, who would consider 
	themselves worthy to make such a judgement before the occurrence.
	
	Very few of us are vetted and found deserving of parenthood prior 
	to the event.

	All censorship is an abuse of power or position, since there will 
	always be an opposing point of view.  The dilemma presented to those 
	who defend censorship per se is that since the "offending" item 
	has been censored they cannot have seen it and can therefore make 
	no judgement on the value of the censorship, except to affirm 
	their trust in the censor.

	Your faith in those in positions of authority is commendable, speaking
	that is as one in a position of authority.

						A co-moderator. 

                    YET ANOTHER NEW CONFERENCE
                    --------------------------
    
    Well in fact they started before this one. 
    Mail Chris Hall,Stewart Taylor or Helen Cory for membership:
    
      Kernel::Projects_and_Ideas_Forum 
    
                       

      A few conference pointers that might be useful

       
    BEAGLE::RDC      Intended for people working in RDC centres.
    
    Hit keypad 7 to add entry to your notebook
    
    Richard

    Yet another goodie:
    
    SEDSWS::FS_INSTALLS   Mostly for installation engineers but there
    may be some goodies.
                       
    Hit keypad 7 to add entry to your notebook.
    
    Richard

      We now have our first European member in this conference. Harrie
    van der Zee, who moderates the RDC notes conference in Valbonne
    (France).
    
      We should be able to learn alot about each other's problems with
    1992 just around the corner.
    
    Welcome.

				OUR DREAM

			"THE COMPANY WE WANT TO BE"

 1-   A company that attracts the best people: that is - bright, energetic
      people who are born team players, who thrive on freedom and 
      challenges, and who are passionate about the quality of their work.

 2-   A company where managers coach their people to learn from their 
      experiences and actively encourage them to develop their skills and 
      knowledge fully.

 3-   A company where managers urge their people to take ownership of
      their work and reward them for their creativity, competence and 
      productivity.

 4-   A company where the direction and priorities are clear to everyone
      and where responsibility and authority is delegated to those closest
      to the customer.

 5-   A company whose customers feel part of the family because of our 
      concern for their success, our willingness to serve them and always
      do that little bit more, and our ability to deliver.

 6-   A company that uses a flexible, dynamic approach to ensure an optimal 
      match between its structure and evolving needs of its customers.
 
 7-   A company that is known as its own reference site because it uses its 
      superior technology and knowledge effectively in its own
      organsiation.

 8-   A company of global size where people work enthusiastically in small
      groups which are networked together to take full advantage of the 
      benefits of its large size and which allows seamless coordination of 
      large scale activities to their own and their customers' benefit.

 9-   A company where evryone can make a difference, because people can 
      trust each other and managers empower their people.

10-   A company people are proud of and where they act as if it were their 
      own company.

						European Management Team,
						Februrary, 1989

00069   20-DEC-1989 09:11   V5.2 sources moved again!!!                        
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Hi Folks,

The V5.2 sources have now been allocated a permanent home on the Kernel
cluster, The disk that they are on is managed by Jeff Winn of the Product and 
technology Group. If you require access to them then please contact Jeff.

Regards

Mark Farrow-Smith 
 
 
    

From:	KERNEL::GARNETT "20-Dec-1989 1310" 20-DEC-1989 13:18:56.24
To:	@POST:SYSTEMS
CC:	
Subj:	UNIT MEETING

HI FOLKS,
       TO REMIND YOU OF THE MEETING TONIGHT AT 17:00 IN THE UPSTAIRS
CONFERENCE ROOM.....UNFORTUNATLY THERE WONT BE A BUFFET BUT YOU HAVE 
GOT DOUBLEBUBBLE FOR WORKING OVER THE XMAS PERIOD.

REGARDS

NIGE

    

    Two questions that have arisen in the last few weeks. Firtsly how
    do people feel about an automated rota? I feel this needs to be
    done for a number of reasons & I'm sure people can add other reasons.
    Firstly to relieve Brian of the time taken to update it every week,
    with leave, training manpower etc. Secondly that other people need
    access to it, rather than shifting a bulk of paper around, ie Janet.
    If she is to schedule training she neds to know quickly availabilty
    of personnel, whether they are on nights etc, also to book leave.
    
    I have no idea who might be able to produce such a package but if
    it were automated it could presumably be used by any group in the
    building. Flags could be used to warn of minimum manpower in any
    week etc etc.
    
    Any comments, suggestions?

    My second question was that of duplication. How do people feel about
    each member receiving a training manual? I have heard many people
    voicing opinions as to the waste in distributing to each member.
    If there is agreement I could let training know that only x number
    of copies need be shipped.
    
    Doing our little bit for the enviroment, any other publications
    that we could cut down on?
    
    Richard.

From:	KERNEL::SCUFFHAM     "I do a lot of work for charity" 11-DEC-1990 08:00:03.16
To:	PETTET
CC:	
Subj:	fyi- ta's

From:	KERNEL::SCUFFHAM     "I do a lot of work for charity" 11-DEC-1990 07:57:35.77
To:	@CCD LINEHAN
CC:	SCUFFHAM
Subj:	ta on rsds


Chaps,

      Norm Pettet has asked that when we open a technical assistance (ta)
      call on RSDS can we make sure that we try and log it against the
      serial number of the machine.

      The reasons being:

      1)  If systems diagnosis need to dial in- all the details are there.

      2)  It enables the call to be entered into the history of the system.

      If an engineer requires 'general help' and does not have the serial 
      number available, we can log it against a MESSAGE.  

      Please try and insist the engineer gives you the serial number.  If
      you get one who gets tough give Kev or me a call!

      Thanks a lot,

      Tom


    

    I just discovered a useful feature for continuous status of calls.
    For those interested IDL> sta/call=sys/con will show only systems
    calls and elliminate all the other call types. I can't get it to
    include more than one call type however ie sys, em and mem.

    PS also useful for bugcheck desk /call=bug....
        
    Richard

    I have lifted the restriction on creation of keywords, if anybody
    needs the privilege let me know.
    
    Richard.