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Title:Porting to Alpha AXP
Notice:http://www.partner.digital.com/www-swdev/
Moderator:HDLITE::SCHAFER
Created:Tue Jan 21 1992
Last Modified:Mon Apr 21 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:671
Total number of notes:3191

652.0. "New Alpha instructions ?" by COPCSO::CMADATA (Lars Funck Jensen) Tue Feb 06 1996 17:08

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652.1HDLITE::SCHAFERMark Schafer, Alpha Developer's supportWed Feb 07 1996 09:2122
652.2SKYLAB::FISHERMinister of Acronyms, Holder of Past Knowledge, DNRCWed Feb 07 1996 09:279
652.3When will a Macro-64 update be available ?ISVNET::LJKWed Feb 07 1996 10:327
652.4HDLITE::SCHAFERMark Schafer, Alpha Developer's supportWed Feb 07 1996 11:525
652.5Not in 21164 5/xxx cpu?COPCSO::CMADATALars Funck JensenThu Feb 08 1996 15:2721
652.6Aren't these the PCI-only instructions ?ISVNET::LJKThu Feb 08 1996 16:4522
652.7QUARRY::nethCraig NethThu Feb 08 1996 17:1512
652.8Which CPU models is EV56COPCSO::CMADATALars Funck JensenFri Jan 24 1997 15:0722
652.9400 MHz+ generally means EV56XDELTA::HOFFMANSteve, OpenVMS EngineeringMon Feb 03 1997 12:0959
:Since my original note, someone from digital has informed me that it is the
:Alpha 21164 EV56 chip that supports these byte and word instructions. 

   Starting in OpenVMS Alpha V7.0, emulation is available on those Alpha
   microprocessors that do not support byte and word instructions.  And
   in V7.1, this emulation support is enabled by default.  UNIX also has
   emulation for these instructions.

   If you are an infrequent user of byte-word instructions, you likely
   won't notice the emulation...

:Which Alpha (server)  models uses this ev56 CPU
:
:1    1000A           300 MHz?   333 MHz?  400 MHz??? 
:
:2    2000/2100A      250 MHz?   300 MHz?  (375 MHz???)
:
:3    4000/4100       All ????????????????????

   400 MHz and up is likely the EV56 variant -- there is some overlap
   of EV5 and EV56 in the 300 to 400 MHz speed range, and presently
   no easy way to differentiate EV5 from EV56 exists in the Systems
   and Options Catalog or other material.  (The latter is sometimes
   refered to as the `21164A'.)
   
:Can it be said that the models with EV56 CPU's is a better long term 
:investment eg. a better buy for custemers ????

   We've been announcing new implementations of the Alpha Microprocessor
   since the original introduction of Alpha back in late 1992.  With the
   historical trend toward new microprocessor generations arising at
   intervals of under two years... (EV4 used CMOS-4, EV5 uses CMOS-5,
   and EV56 is a variant of the EV5 design using CMOS-6, a six-layer
   CMOS design.)  Historically, one typically sees only two "generations"
   of a particular microprocessor around -- the current, and the immediately
   previous...

   Most folks have historically viewed the newest and fastest microprocessors
   (or systems) in a series as the most desirable, while the older and slower
   members are viewed as somewhat less desirable...

   As to "better long term investment", I'll need to locate my crystal ball
   before I even consider making that particular prediction...

:PS! DEC is talking about a 21264 PC chip with some kind of MMX instructions
:    is that chip expected to be used in OpenVMS/UNIX systems.??????

   We cannot comment on future plans or on any (potential or actual)
   unannounced systems.

   And for some of the potential/future microprocessor chips Digital
   has discussed at Microprocessor Forum, see...

     http://www.digital.com/info/semiconductor/whatsnew.htm
     ...and the first to articles there are:
	http://www.digital.com/info/semiconductor/a264up1/index.html
	http://www.digital.com/info/semiconductor/mvi/index.html

652.10ThanksCOPCSO::CMADATALars Funck JensenTue Feb 04 1997 14:033
Thank you for the info.

Lars Funck Jensen
652.117388::SCHAFERMark Schafer, SPE MROWed Feb 05 1997 13:504
    regarding the MACRO question in .0, the OpenVMS V7.1 New Features manual
    describes new MACRO-32 compiler built-ins.
    
    Mark