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Conference bulova::decwindows_old

Title:DECwindows Standard Programming Environment
Notice:For reference only. New conference is BULOVA::DECWINDOWS
Moderator:LESLIE::LESLIE
Created:Mon Jan 19 1987
Last Modified:Thu Feb 16 1989
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1770
Total number of notes:11118

13.0. "Backing store question" by UFP::WICKERT (Ray Wickert - MAA Worksystems Consultant) Mon Jan 26 1987 22:52

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Name		DateLines
13.1PSW::WINALSKIPaul S. WinalskiMon Jan 26 1987 23:1514
13.2FREDWS::FREDBroken Windows my specialtyTue Jan 27 1987 00:049
13.3I believe not....RDVAX::GETTYSTue Jan 27 1987 01:543
13.4Backing store is only a suggestion to the ServerSTAR::BMATTHEWSTue Jan 27 1987 08:432
13.5DVINCI::ROSETue Jan 27 1987 08:5724
13.6FREDWS::FREDBroken Windows my specialtyTue Jan 27 1987 09:3930
13.7Pixmaps for backing store?STAR::BMATTHEWSTue Jan 27 1987 09:4311
13.8Do we really need to do this HERE?CASEE::WYMANBob WymanTue Jan 27 1987 09:484
13.9not all apps know how to recreate the screenVIKING::FLEISCHERBob FleischerTue Jan 27 1987 10:0220
13.10FREDWS::FREDBroken Windows my specialtyTue Jan 27 1987 10:137
13.11FREDWS::FREDBroken Windows my specialtyTue Jan 27 1987 10:4012
13.12SKYLAB::FISHERBurns Fisher 381-1466, ZKO1-1/D42Tue Jan 27 1987 10:4531
13.13Here's an application viewANKER::ANKERAnker Berg-SonneTue Jan 27 1987 10:4822
13.14Save UndersSKYLAB::FISHERBurns Fisher 381-1466, ZKO1-1/D42Tue Jan 27 1987 10:527
13.15FREDWS::FREDBroken Windows my specialtyTue Jan 27 1987 12:3326
13.16SKYLAB::FISHERBurns Fisher 381-1466, ZKO1-1/D42Tue Jan 27 1987 12:576
13.17How robust are pixmaps expected to be in X11?STAR::BMATTHEWSTue Jan 27 1987 13:1314
13.18A few cynical commentsERIS::CALLASSo many ratholes, so little timeTue Jan 27 1987 14:4123
13.19The other side of the backing store issueZIN::MCGREGORScott McGregorTue Jan 27 1987 15:0339
13.20use backing store only as an acceleratorRHEA::KARLTONPhil Karlton, Western Software LabWed Jan 28 1987 03:5131
13.21MAGIC::DICKSONWYSIWYG is a crockWed Jan 28 1987 10:5312
13.22Mac & Backing StoreZIN::MCGREGORScott McGregorWed Jan 28 1987 12:3421
13.23backing store considered harmfulCOOKIE::GARDNERWed Jan 28 1987 12:5939
13.24come ON, guys!ANKER::ANKERAnker Berg-SonneWed Jan 28 1987 16:1223
13.25FREDWS::FREDBroken Windows my specialtyWed Jan 28 1987 19:0912
13.26Let the user decideUFP::WICKERTRay Wickert - MAA Worksystems ConsultantWed Jan 28 1987 19:2230
13.27Scheduling is the PROBLEMERLANG::WILKINSONThu Jan 29 1987 00:3225
13.28PODUNK::FREDBroken Windows my specialtyThu Jan 29 1987 10:2015
13.29PODUNK::FREDBroken Windows my specialtyThu Jan 29 1987 11:0012
13.30Handling of Exposure EventsERLANG::WILKINSONThu Jan 29 1987 12:2634
13.31flam offSKYLRK::MARCOTTEGeorge Marcotte SWS Santa ClaraThu Jan 29 1987 12:3311
13.32two-faced customersTLE::REAGANJohn R. ReaganThu Jan 29 1987 12:4213
13.33Can we stop digging this rathole?DSSDEV::ALDENKen AldenThu Jan 29 1987 13:2154
13.34More on backing storeSTAR::BMATTHEWSThu Jan 29 1987 13:2310
13.35You don't have to do everything yourself in raw XPBSVAX::HALBERTThu Jan 29 1987 15:0112
13.36the support I would wantVIKING::FLEISCHERBob FleischerThu Jan 29 1987 15:2720
13.37PODUNK::FREDBroken Windows my specialtyThu Jan 29 1987 15:5721
13.38I have to write my own backing store, do you?CASEE::HAMNQVISTPer Hamnqvist, � (Sunshine)Fri Jan 30 1987 03:4320
13.40When should the toolkit do it?ERLANG::WILKINSONFri Jan 30 1987 11:4116
13.41PSW::WINALSKIPaul S. WinalskiFri Jan 30 1987 11:424
13.42Toolkit will handle expose events?STAR::BMATTHEWSFri Jan 30 1987 11:576
13.43Ive been exposedCARMEL::DECKERHere today gone to unixFri Jan 30 1987 12:036
13.44Problem is multiple DEC platformsSTAR::BMATTHEWSFri Jan 30 1987 12:0313
13.45ERIS::CALLASSo many ratholes, so little timeFri Jan 30 1987 12:458
13.46management's jobSAUTER::SAUTERJohn SauterFri Jan 30 1987 14:166
13.47SARAH::P_DAVISPeter Davis, X-NYerFri Jan 30 1987 14:2919
13.48How about a reoutine to request gauranteed b.s.?ANKER::ANKERAnker Berg-SonneFri Jan 30 1987 15:4612
13.49backing store by pixmap or display list is an implementation detailERLANG::WILKINSONFri Jan 30 1987 16:1410
13.50Jefferson is still alive!CASEE::MUEHLHAEUSERMon Feb 02 1987 12:2829
13.51VIDEO::LEICHTERJJerry LeichterTue Feb 03 1987 00:3774
13.52Non-forgetful pixmaps are usually sub-optimal solutionsWINERY::PRICESat Feb 07 1987 00:271
13.53non-forgetful pixmaps are usually sub-optimal solutions, v2WINERY::PRICESat Feb 07 1987 00:3497
13.54FREDWS::FREDBut you *can't* get there from here!Sat Feb 07 1987 08:4147
13.55one more slap on the dead horse...WINERY::PRICESun Feb 08 1987 15:49170
13.56Application Independent Backing-Store is Technically DesiraVIKING::MCNALLRalph, PCSG-A&AD, LJO2/E4, 73/WB2DCLMon Feb 09 1987 10:1422
13.57an aside about ReGIS and SixelsVIKING::FLEISCHERBob FleischerMon Feb 09 1987 10:3311
13.58Efficiency is Composite of Memory and CPU UsageWINERY::PRICEMon Feb 09 1987 13:1145
13.59PODUNK::FREDBut you *can't* get there from here!Mon Feb 09 1987 13:2952
13.60Puzzlement re VT240sSCOTTY::ROSEMon Feb 09 1987 13:4819
13.61re vt240sWINERY::PRICEMon Feb 09 1987 14:2019
13.62ReGIS must use a PIXMAP backing storeERLANG::WILKINSONMon Feb 09 1987 15:1747
13.63PODUNK::FREDBut you *can't* get there from here!Mon Feb 09 1987 15:2348
13.64Not joking, but maybe ignorantSCOTTY::ROSEMon Feb 09 1987 16:0238
13.65PODUNK::FREDBut you *can't* get there from here!Mon Feb 09 1987 17:4821
13.66FREDWS::FREDBut you *can't* get there from here!Mon Feb 09 1987 21:0228
13.67Can an emulator 'punt' the backing store?3D::VESPERAndy V (3D::VESPER)Tue Feb 10 1987 11:0541
13.68Agreed, Andy (most). And other comments, of course...WINERY::PRICETue Feb 10 1987 12:5777
13.69PODUNK::FREDTrapped in Pee-Wee's PlayroomTue Feb 10 1987 17:1836
13.70why can't it be an option???!!!UFP::WICKERTRay Wickert - MAA Worksystems ConsultantTue Feb 10 1987 17:2133
13.71time-to-market is important, tooVIKING::FLEISCHERBob FleischerTue Feb 10 1987 18:1114
13.72We MUST Care whether its the right solution or not!WINERY::PRICETue Feb 10 1987 21:4863
13.73Some correctionsSTAR::BMATTHEWSWed Feb 11 1987 08:008
13.74Memory here, memory there...PBSVAX::KILIANWed Feb 11 1987 09:0719
13.75Sometimes bits byte...WINERY::PRICEWed Feb 11 1987 13:0633
13.76NO BRAND X!PODUNK::FREDTrapped in Pee-Wee's PlayroomWed Feb 11 1987 13:3119
13.77Let us map fastest backing storeSKYLRK::PRIDDYPigtailWed Feb 11 1987 14:3023
13.78PSW::WINALSKIPaul S. WinalskiWed Feb 11 1987 14:3621
13.79but one way is better than no waysKALKIN::BUTENHOFApproachable SystemsWed Feb 11 1987 14:5930
13.80a RISC approach to software?VIKING::FLEISCHERBob FleischerWed Feb 11 1987 15:1212
13.81FREDWS::FREDTrapped in Pee-Wee's PlayroomWed Feb 11 1987 15:279
13.82VIDEO::LEICHTERJJerry LeichterWed Feb 11 1987 22:0923
13.83FREDWS::FREDTrapped in Pee-Wee's PlayroomThu Feb 12 1987 02:169
13.84Let's try to keep it simple..FURILO::BLINNLet's do the `Time Warp' againThu Feb 12 1987 22:2249
13.85VIDEO::LEICHTERJJerry LeichterSat Feb 14 1987 11:1838
13.86X isn't wrong, the application isBRIGIT::PETTENGILLmulpSun Feb 15 1987 14:299
13.87Different philosphy. Different backing store requirementsSTAR::BMATTHEWSSun Feb 15 1987 20:376
13.88PODUNK::FREDTrapped in Pee-Wee's PlayroomMon Feb 16 1987 11:2115
13.89PSW::WINALSKIPaul S. WinalskiMon Feb 16 1987 11:377
13.90Why would performance suffer, anyway?UFP::WICKERTRay Wickert - MAA Worksystems ConsultantMon Feb 16 1987 20:1214
13.91VIDEO::LEICHTERJJerry LeichterMon Feb 16 1987 20:3720
13.92Would Performance Suffer? A Crude Experiment...WINERY::PRICEWed Feb 18 1987 02:5550
13.93Comparing apples and orangesSTAR::BMATTHEWSWed Feb 18 1987 08:0412
13.95Lets not put UIS wish list items hereMIKERO::ROSENBLUMWed Feb 18 1987 10:086
13.96PODUNK::FREDTrapped in Pee-Wee's PlayroomWed Feb 18 1987 10:336
13.97WINERY::PRICEWed Feb 18 1987 13:5331
13.98ERIS::CALLASSo many ratholes, so little timeWed Feb 18 1987 16:585
13.99VIDEO::LEICHTERJJerry LeichterWed Feb 18 1987 19:4110
13.100Enough is enoughASIA::MCLEMANLife in a Ping Pong ballWed Feb 18 1987 22:146
13.101Time to move on, maybe?UFP::WICKERTRay Wickert - MAA Worksystems ConsultantThu Feb 19 1987 23:4821
13.102VIDEO::LEICHTERJJerry LeichterFri Feb 20 1987 00:3110
13.103PSW::WINALSKIPaul S. WinalskiFri Feb 20 1987 16:4713
13.104Maybe the requirements were wrong, but not necessarily the architectureBRIGIT::PETTENGILLmulpMon Feb 23 1987 10:5317
13.105CLT::TREGGIARIMon Feb 23 1987 13:2029
13.106FREDWS::FREDTrapped in Pee-Wee's PlayroomMon Feb 23 1987 19:2144
13.107Now, why didn't we think of that?ERIS::CALLASSo many ratholes, so little timeMon Feb 23 1987 21:3216
13.108FREDWS::FREDTrapped in Pee-Wee's PlayroomMon Feb 23 1987 23:3610
13.109A ReGIS implementation questionFURILO::BLINNLet's do the `Time Warp' againWed Feb 25 1987 15:1747
13.110A closer look at performanceSTAR::CASEThu Feb 26 1987 01:57104
13.111PODUNK::FREDTrapped in Pee-Wee's PlayroomThu Feb 26 1987 12:0219
13.112Am I missing something?FURILO::BLINNLet's do the `Time Warp' againThu Feb 26 1987 18:3938
13.113Is there room for DEC to be different?STAR::CASEFri Feb 27 1987 01:2659
13.114PODUNK::FREDTrapped in Pee-Wee's PlayroomFri Feb 27 1987 09:3425
13.115What does X tell you about backing store?RANCHO::SUEWed Mar 04 1987 13:1122
13.116PODUNK::FREDRun for your life!Wed Mar 04 1987 13:4816
13.117Notifying about visibilityRANCHO::SUEWed Mar 04 1987 19:5015
13.118Events are notification of what happenedSTAR::BMATTHEWSThu Mar 05 1987 09:436
13.119Obsure event not useful for simulating backing storeVMSDEV::FISHERBurns Fisher 381-1466, ZKO1-1/D42Thu Mar 05 1987 09:446
13.120PODUNK::FREDRun for your life!Thu Mar 05 1987 11:127
13.121 visibilitynotifyRANCHO::SUEThu Mar 05 1987 20:397
13.122Can I have the last word, huh? :-)THEBAY::WOODRIOh no! It's him! Another diatribe...Sat Oct 10 1987 03:07170