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Title:DECmcc user notes file. Does not replace IPMT.
Notice:Use IPMT for problems. Newsletter location in note 6187
Moderator:TAEC::BEROUD
Created:Mon Aug 21 1989
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:6497
Total number of notes:27359

5525.0. "Digital licences NetView/6000??" by ROM01::CIPOLLA (Bruno Cipolla Alpha team, take no prisoners!) Tue Aug 24 1993 06:27

	is this true?
    Bruno
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SUBJECT:   NECESSITY BREEDS COOP-PETITION. DIGITAL EQUIPMENT CORP. AND IBM
          WILL SUSPEND COMPETITION LONG ENOUGH NEXT WEEK
SOURCE:   IDG via First! by INDIVIDUAL, Inc.
DATE:     August 21, 1993
INDEX:    [3]
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  FRAMINGHAM, Mass.  -  Computerworld via First! : Necessity breeds coop-
petition. Digital Equipment Corp. and IBM will suspend competition long
enough next week to disclose a deal under which DEC will drop its DECmcc
network management architecture and license IBM's NetView/6000 Unix network
manager for use with the Alpha AXP systems line. DECmcc did not make the cut
for the Open Software Foundation's (OSF) Distributed Management Environment,
and its sales have been lower than DEC had hoped. Sources said DEC went to
IBM rather than Hewlett-Packard, developer of the OpenView technology that
underlies NetView/6000, because it sees IBM's implementation as having more
of an enterprisewide focus.

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5525.1moreROM01::CIPOLLABruno Cipolla Alpha team, take no prisoners!Tue Aug 24 1993 06:5342
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SUBJECT:  IBM AND DEC COLLABORATE ON NET MANAGEMENT
SOURCE:   ZiffWire via First! by INDIVIDUAL, Inc.
DATE:     August 20, 1993
INDEX:    [1]
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  PC Week via First! : IBM and Digital Equipment Corp. will make public this
week an agreement to create a version of IBM's NetView/6000 AIX-based
integrated management platform for DEC's Alpha systems running the OSF/1
operating system.

  As part of the agreement, the two vendors will also work together to meld
their respective third-party developer programs for NetView/6000 and for
DEC's Polycenter suite of network and systems management tools, according to
sources close to the two firms. The agreement will be announced at the
InterOp show in San Francisco.

  The two giants are hoping to encourage developers to create more robust
management applications, a key requirement in managing enterprise networks.

  "They are both bringing technology to the party," said a source close to
the firms. "Some of those [management] apps will get transformed to use the
new API so DEC apps can run on the IBM box and vice versa."

  The work that the two vendors are collaborating on could extend to other
players as well, hinted a second source.

  "When you tell vendors to use my database and my map API, they say I can't
deal with all these APIs from all these vendors," said the source. "There
are significant agreements that will take place to try to normalize those
APIs and raise the sophistication of integration they can accomplish without
raising the cost."

  Officials at IBM and at DEC of Maynard, Mass., declined to comment on the
announcement.

  Paula Musich, PC Week

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5525.2sales updateROM01::CIPOLLABruno Cipolla Alpha team, take no prisoners!Tue Aug 24 1993 07:19143
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Digital and IBM Relationship for Network and System Management





Contacts:
Dennis Biedrzycki, DTN 381-1064, (603) 881-1064, ZKO
Bill Gassman, DTN 381-2299, (603) 881-2299, ZK0

HIGHLIGHTS

o  This Digital and IBM relationship includes licensing of NetView/6000, and 
   acting as partners for joint development engineering, joint ISV program, 
   and joint marketing

o  Digital's new POLYCENTER NetView product will be the network management 
   solution as well as the next generation framework for integrating system 
   and network management applications on Alpha AXP systems

o  Availability expected in the first quarter of 1994

CUSTOMER PROBLEM

The growth of client/server computing has stretched existing system and 
network management solutions to the point where customers recognize the need 
for integrated management systems to automate and simplify day-to-day 
operations.  While many integrated management frameworks have been 
introduced by a growing array of vendors, the industry's interest has 
focused around the promise of the OSF Distributed Management Environment 
(DME).  This effort, however, has been slow to deliver; the first release 
has been delayed, with the expectation of "real" OSF DME management 
applications being available in 1995.

In the meantime, HP's OpenView and IBM's NetView/6000 (which is an 
enhancement of HP's OpenView) have emerged as the de facto industry 
standards for network management and as integrated management frameworks.  
ISVs have written many applications which utilize these OpenView based 
frameworks.  Many other vendors, including Digital, have continued to offer 
their own frameworks and network management products.  This has fragmented 
the industry and limited the ability of application developers to solve the 
customer problem of managing the client/server computing environment.

DIGITAL SOLUTION

Digital recognizes the current state of the system and network management 
industry and has entered into a relationship with IBM to jointly offer the 
industry's most advanced implementation of an OpenView based management 
platform.  This relationship will move the industry forward by increasing 
the support for existing OpenView based products, and will attract even more 
ISVs.  IBM's NetView/6000 has received top ratings in independent lab tests 
published in Communications Week and LAN Computing for its user interface 
and features.

NetView/6000 will be ported to DEC OSF/1 on Alpha AXP systems and is 
expected in the first quarter of 1994.  This new Digital product will be 
marketed as POLYCENTER NetView.  The Digital-IBM relationship will also 
produce management solutions for Windows NT on both Alpha AXP and Intel 

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systems (targeted for 1994), followed by OpenVMS on Alpha AXP systems.

The Digital and IBM relationship is comprehensive and includes licensing of 
NetView/6000, joint engineering development, a joint ISV program, and joint 
marketing.  Beyond porting the NetView/6000 to Digital platforms, the joint 
engineering effort will include enhancing the product.  These enhancements 
will include managing the Digital networking environment, as well as adding 
other advanced management functionality.  Digital and IBM will be shipping 
identical products and all new releases will be made available 
simultaneously.

Digital and IBM will combine their POLYCENTER Partner and NetView/6000 
Associates programs for ISVs.  Through this joint ISV program, Digital and 
IBM will increase the quantity and quality of ISVs.  With three major 
computer vendors supporting the same standard, ISVs will have a more viable 
market for their applications, and a strong business case for developing on 
POLYCENTER NetView.  Existing IBM NetView/6000 associates will be encouraged 
to support Digital's POLYCENTER NetView by initially porting their 
applications to DEC OSF/1 on Alpha AXP systems.  Joint marketing will 
include announcement and promotional activities, and a combined ISV catalog.

TeMIP, Digital's standards-based management solution for Telecom networks 
will continue development and be ported to DEC OSF/1, delivering on existing 
commitments.  TeMIP will also take advantage of POLYCENTER NetView to move 
to the OSF DME faster and enhance its functionality.

CUSTOMER BENEFITS

Digital customers will benefit from having a broad range of ISV applications 
running on Alpha AXP based systems, the industry's most powerful processor.  
The ease of porting to DEC OSF/1 will attract the large majority of OpenView 
"ready" management applications.  The "hot" performance of Alpha AXP systems 
will attract ISVs who need more powerful systems for their applications and 
also allow many different applications to reside on a single system.

Current POLYCENTER customers will also benefit from this partnership and the 
increased choice in ISVs.  Through the joint engineering development effort, 
POLYCENTER NetView will be enhanced to provide many of the capabilities 
currently available on the existing POLYCENTER Framework, POLYCENTER, 
Network Manager 200 and 400, and the POLYCENTER SNMP Manager 300.  This will 
allow POLYCENTER customers to enjoy enhanced functionality with a product 
based on de facto industry standards, and with a broader choice of ISV 
management applications.

PRICING/ORDERING INFORMATION

Special pricing and incentive programs will be available at product 
announcement for existing POLYCENTER customers who are interested in using 
the new POLYCENTER NetView product.  Migration tools and services are 
planned to help customers who decide to move to this new product.

RESOURCES

Internal

Within the next few months, further details will be provided as part of the 
product announcement.  A White Paper on this partnership is available in the 
POLYCENTER public directory: 
VINO::POLYCENTER$PUBLIC:[SALES_TOOLS]POLYCENTER_ NETVIEW.TXT.  This public 
directory also has copies of the Communications Week and LAN Computing 

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articles on NetView/6000.  In addition, a customer presentation is available 
through OPAL.

External

Contact the authors for additional information.

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IBM is a registered trademark of International Business Machines 
 Corporation. 
OSF is a registered trademark of Open Software Foundation, Inc.
NetView is a registered trademark of International Business Machines 
 Corporation.
Intel is a trademark of Intel Corporation.
OpenView is a trademark of Hewlett-Packard Company.

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5525.3See VINO::POLYCENTERTOOK::MINTZErik MintzTue Aug 24 1993 08:1512
Well, it is not quite right, but as you can see from the Sales Update
information it has a lot of truth.  Look in the VINO::POLYCENTER
notes conference for more information (note 173, I think).

This information was intended to be Digital Confidential until the program
announcement today at InterOP.  We thought that the DVN last week was worth
the risk, but apparently someone was not able to resist the temptation
to leak this to Computerworld.  That detracts from the formal announcement,
and gives, for example, HP time to prepare a response.

-- Erik

5525.4See also IMDOWN::NETVIEWTOOK::MCPHERSONImagine whirled peas.Tue Aug 24 1993 16:4244
Hit KP7 to add.

/doug

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TOOK::MCPHERSON "Imagine whirled peas."              33 lines  24-AUG-1993 15:40
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    Announcing a conference for questions/issues/etc around the
    newly-program-announced POLYCENTER NetView.

    Please direct queries, new information, etc (technical as well as
    non-technical) to IMDOWN::NETVIEW and that conference will then
    (hopefully) become the repository focused specificially on items of
    interest vis a vis the new Digital/IBM relationships.

    This conference is unrestricted and for Digital Internal Use Only.
    IMDOWN's DECnet address is 55.767

    HIT KP7 to add to your notebook.

    /doug

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Topic: Conference Purpose
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    The purpose of this conference is to provide an information repository
    for questions and issues surrounding the recently-announced POLYCENTER
    NetView.  POLYCENTER NetView will (initially) be an OSF1/AXP port of
    IBM's RS/6000-based NetView/6000.
    
    Other general issues related to this new Digital/IBM relationship
    should probably also be handled in this conference, too.
    

5525.5very minimum leaking!SKIBUM::GASSMANMon Aug 30 1993 18:4410
    I'd like to add to .3 that while there were some leaks, HP was caught
    unaware!  They didn't find out until one day before the announcement, 
    and had no better response to press questions other than "it's good for 
    OpenView".
    
    Everyone within engineering and the field who knew the secret of 
    "elbow" from the time it started in April until announcement in August
    is to be congratulated for keeping quiet for so long.  
    
    bill