Conference azur::mcc

    If your HP box supports X-windows then you could run MCC on
    the HP platform. We have Openview running on a DELL PC
    here(at customer site)and the customer loves HP. The MCC box sitting
    next to it collects dust. If you try to compete Apples to Apples
    with the HP box you will lose. We have kept the MCC box here
    by stressing the value of the database and the reporting functions
    of it. So far its worked.           
    
    			-Jim-
    

re .1

Thanks Jim for your response... a couple of quick questions

>>    If your HP box supports X-windows then you could run MCC on
>>    the HP platform. 

Can you clarify this for me with an example.  Does our code run on
a HP workstation (I thought it was VMS or Ultrix).  Excuse my ignorance
in the X-windows space.


>>    The MCC box sitting
>>    next to it collects dust. We have kept the MCC box here
>>    by stressing the value of the database and the reporting functions
>>    of it. So far its worked.           


How does the HP receive information from DECmcc as below you indicate
the value of the database and reports.  Can the data base be queried
from HP Openview.  Can messages be sent from DECmcc reporting alarms
to HP Openview.  Does HP not yet have a database like Ingres.  Is this not
a significant selling feature or knock off.


>>If you try to compete Apples to Apples with the HP box you will lose

Anyone with suggestions on how we might win... Maybe HP is lot more then
marketing hype (of course proved out in Data Communications).  Interestingly 
enough, my general perception on the enterprise point of view was 
that DECmcc would be the EMA and HP or MSU would be SNMP network manger.


Obviously, I have a lot of questions and few answers at this point.

Thanks in Advance for assistance,

    
    			-Jim-
    

    
    .1 was referring to the displaying of an X-session (a map, a terminal
    window, etc.) that runs on the MCC station, but the window appears on
    a different workstation (SUN, HP, PC, etc.).  All operations invoked on
    the map displayed on the HP system actually run on the VAX or Ultrix
    system running MCC.  All the HP is doing is displaying the graphics
    portion of the program.
    
    There is nothing in the .1 reply indicating that the HP receives
    anything other than the  graphical display info from the MCC system. 
    In that case,  the MCC system is polling entities for counter data and
    the like and writing to an RDB (for VMS) or Ingres (Ultrix) database
    residing on the same machine running DECmcc.  The reports generator
    uses  Digital products  such as Datatrieve and DECgraph to produce
    reports, again all this runs on the DEC box.
    
    If the HP system has an SQL interface and the databases on the MCC
    system can be accessed via TCP/IP protocols, then the HP system could
    probably read data from the databases populated by MCC.
    
    I don;t know if the MCC alarms can be sent to the HP system, but from
    the MCC point of view, there is a program called MCC_SEND_EVENT
    (written in C) that can be used to send alarm events INTO MCC.  If the
    HP system can kick off a script upon generation of an alarm, then the
    program could potentially be used to forward the alarm to DECmcc.  If
    HP has a similar program that can be ported to our platform and O/S,
    then MCC could send it's alarms to the HP system.
    
    Though it is a somewhat weak selling point, DECmcc has a line/form
    command mode interface which allows the system to be used from a 
    character cell terminal.  I do not believe HP has this, thus making it
    *real* hard for someone to dial in from home and do work on OpenView. 
    Granted there are some  methods of X-displaying  across phone lines,
    but none that I know of  that operate with reasonable performance.
    
    
    Dave

Hi, this response came from Scott Hyndman in note 402 of NETMGT...JD    
    
    POLYCENTER 200/400 can pass alarm data to other management systems any
    way they would like to see it.  Typically it is done as part of an
    action routine, executed as the result of a threshold alarm or event.
    
    ie.  SNMP trap or alarm coming in through data collector goes through
    notification process, part of which is to execute an action routine. 
    The action routine takes the relevant data and forwards to the higher
    level enterprise manager.  This could be done through email or API etc.
    
    Having the HP management station exert control over the POLYCENTER
    platform is another matter.  This is called director-to-director
    communication and I don't believe HP can do this either.  There could
    be some sort of scripting done, however most managers just end up
    opening a session on the remote or sub-manager platform.
    
    You are unlikely to win the enterprise management with HP already well
    positioned with POLYCENTER 200/400.  However Digital is currently
    working on addressing this issue.  If you read the
    mcc/POLYCENTER/NETMGT notes you will see this.  The end result is that
    we should be able to complete with HP directly.  Basically MCC has a
    good EMA archeticture but lacks in funtionallity and ISV support.
    
    Hope this helps,
    
    Scott

    
    Any answers for these?
    
.0>> P.S.  Not to cloud the above primary issue, but a couple more questions:
.0>> 
.0>> - what is the scheduled date or is there one for DECmcc on AXP Openvms
.0>> - what is the scheduled date or is there one for DECmcc on AXP OSF/1
    

You are not likely to see schedules for unannounced software in a public
notes conference.

Have you seen the discussion of this topic in note 5092?