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Title:DECmcc user notes file. Does not replace IPMT.
Notice:Use IPMT for problems. Newsletter location in note 6187
Moderator:TAEC::BEROUD
Created:Mon Aug 21 1989
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:6497
Total number of notes:27359

5396.0. "global entites deregistered, unable to display" by KERNEL::TRAYLER () Tue Jul 27 1993 12:18

Dec MCC 1.3 VMS 5.5

I have a customer that gets the following error message when he starts the
iconic map. 

"1 or more global entities is deregistered , unable to display them" 

We believe the problem has been caused by him deleting the domain .belfast from
the map. The domain .belfast appears to be in the local namespace but there is
no map entry for it.

My assumption is that I could fix this problem by removing the entry for this
domain in the local name space. There were no entities registered within this
domain.

Is there a way of manipulating the local namespace to clear this entry?

Is this the correct way to go about fixing the problem?

Kevin Trayler 

UK CSC Nets & Comms Group

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5396.1save the mapKAJUN::NELSONWed Jul 28 1993 09:2620
Usually, when the map is complaining about an entity being 
"Deregistered, unable to display", it means that an entity was removed 
from the domain, but still exists in the map file.  

If the problem was from an entity being removed from the map and still
in the domain, as you suggest, the icon would be autoplaced on the by
the map software. 

I believe that if you save the map before exiting, then the next time 
you open it, the error message should be gone.  Any time you remove 
something from the domain, you should always save the map before exiting 
the session.  

The situation you describe could also occur if someone else is using the
same domain, either from the FCL or the IMPM from a local map of that
domain.  If that someone removed an entity from the domain, then your
local map file would not get updated and would still have the
deregistered entity in it. 

...kjn
5396.2Save the mapHADRES::KRAUSEEuropean NewProductEngineer for MCCThu Jul 29 1993 07:548
Just save the map and the message will be gone.

This happpens when you delete/deregister an icon from the map but forgot
to save it. The map file still contains the icon, but the underlying 
object is gone...

*Robert
5396.3KERNEL::TRAYLERThu Jul 29 1993 08:175
    
    I got him to save the map and then stop/restart the iconic map.
    Unfortunately the message still appears, twice in fact, on starting the
    map.
    
5396.4STKMCC::LUNDNiklas LundThu Jul 29 1993 17:1812
Hi,

Try this

MCC>SHOW DOM * MEMBER * ALL ATTR, TO FILE TMP.TMP

Search the file for the word "deregistered" this will give you the failing 
domain and member.

Delete the failing member with MCC>dele dom x member y.

/Niklas
5396.5Unable to delete deregistered domain....KERNEL::DAVIESFri Jul 30 1993 07:3831
    Hi Niklas,
    
    I'm one on Kevins colleagues and have taken over this call.
    
    MCC>SHOW DOM * MEMBER * ALL ATTR, TO FILE TMP.TMP shows a deregistered
    domain:-
    
    
    Detected a deregistered Domain Member. LOCAL_NS:.belfast
    
    
    MCC>delete domain LOCAL_NS:.belfast
    
    Gives:-
    
    Domain LOCAL_NS:.belfast
    AT 30-JUL-1993 11:38:30
    
    No such entity: Domain LOCAL_NS:.belfast
                             Unknown Entity = Domain LOCAL_NS:.belfast
    
    
    
    So, we can see that the domain has been deregistered but we are unable
    to delete it.............
    
    Any ideas.........
    
    Thanks,
    
    Phil Davies.  UK Comms TSC.
5396.6Fix (?) from the fieldWELLIN::MCCALLUMMon Aug 02 1993 05:1618
    
    Looks like the domain was deregistered but its for some reason the
    domains it was a member of didn't get cleaned up. This is difficult to
    fix with the private MIR. With DNS you can fix this up.
    
    The best solution is to re-create the parent domain, but this means
    deleting it. If the customer has the DUMP MIR routines ( from
    MCC-TOOLS) this can be relativley easy with some editing of command
    files. Otherwise dump all the domain members ( sho dom UK member *) to
    a file. Delete the domain ( you can keep the map, you know how to
    rename it), create the domain again and add the members with a command
    file.
    
    I seem to remeber seeing something about an MIR fixing utility but
    can't quite remember, look in MCC-TOOLS.
    
    Dave McCallum
    
5396.7Fixed..........KERNEL::DAVIESWed Aug 04 1993 09:0412
    Hi All,
    
    I have managed to sort the problem.  I used the local MIR dump
    procedure, deleted references to the offending entitiy, messed around
    with the map files and..........hey presto.......it worked.
    
    Thanks for all the interest and help.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Phil.