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| 4869.1 | long non-answer | MCDOUG::doug | Dead or Canadian? | Tue Apr 13 1993 10:14 | 27 |
| If you can get your MCC management system changed to be a RISC/ULTRIX
system, then you have a LOT more latitude. With VMS, I think you're
stuck with whatever you can squeeze out of an SNMP agent.
Assuming you can get MCC on a RISC ULTRIX platform, you have a couple pf
additional alternatives. If you can get either of them working, the *best*
Digital solution would be to is to use either UDM (a very nice Asset
package) or FullSail. These tools allow you to do MUCH more than you could
ever hope for with a stupid little SNMP agent, since they are really
*system* management tools. That's ok -- they both dovetail very well with
the POLYCENTER approach and can run on the same system as MCC.
UDM provides the *tightest* integration with MCC; it actually is a set of
FMs and AMs designed for the express purpose of managing UNIX systems. The
biggest problem is that it hasn't been re-built against V1.3 and has no
funding to do so [BANG! Hole is Digital left foot]. Unless you can figger
out how to get it updated for V1.3, it's a non-starter.
FullSail (recently renamed POLYCENTER Performance Solution for UNIX, I
believe) is a nice tool for managing all sorts of remote UNIX systems from
a RISC/ULTRIX platform. It is not as tightly integrated into MCC as UDM,
but it can be integrated as a launched application and it includes a
generic 'action routine' facility that allows you to define thresholds for
system parameters and have it execute MCC Event Collector scripts to send
notifications in to the MCC Notification window & Iconic Map.
/doug
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| 4869.2 | HP SNMP agent | CUJO::HILL | Dan Hill-Net.Mgt.-Customer Resident | Wed Apr 14 1993 02:17 | 10 |
| You can purchace an HP extensible agent on a per-system basis or, I
believe, by site licensing agreement.
I have tested one using DECmcc V1.2 and V1.3 on VMS. No real problems
with the latest version.
I have heard rumblings of support for SUN via the Common Agent. Check
with product management to get the "real" story.
-dan
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| 4869.3 | no chance to get on RISC | MCCMGT::SYSTEM | | Thu Apr 15 1993 11:59 | 16 |
| Thanks doug and dan so far.
I have no chance to get DECMCC on a risc platform because it is already installed
on a vaxstation 4000/60.
The only thing i didn't understand yet is why does the DECmcc kit include the SUN-MIB
without any recommendations or operating system informations (sun specific).
What deamon should i use ?
It could not be that i am the first who want to manage a sun via snmp with a vaxstation !
It could not be that we say "ok, we have our mib definition, now you have to bring your
snmp agent that work with our mib, if not, we are very sorry".
The customer plan to use decmcc first to manage the country locations, next he will expand
to the europe and finally to the continetial locations.
I think he will buy SUN-VIEW next if we can't fix our snmp proplems.
best regards Andy
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| 4869.4 | Agents, MIBs, and other info. | CUJO::HILL | Dan Hill-Net.Mgt.-Customer Resident | Fri Apr 16 1993 02:13 | 38 |
| Gee, Andy,
You're starting to sound as demanding as I do! (Though I think
engineering management would still give me first prize ;-) )
Shipping an SNMP agent ready to run on SUN would be a nice idea for a
while, but as most hardware vendors begin revising and improving SNMP
agents to run on their boxes, you will begin to see the need for such a
thing disappear.
Besides, doesn't it make more sense to have the vendor who produces the
hardware also produce the agent to manage it?
Your customer should go to SUN and other vendors and "demand" that they
provide agents with their systems, otherwise, they won't buy SUN any
more.
Digital provides SNMP agents with their systems. UCX V2.0B has one.
Ultrix has one. (OK, they are only MIB II). When the common agent
ships, it should be very competitively priced. It might even be free
in some cases (hint, hint to product engineering).
If they really want to claim they are an "open" architecture, have them
put their agent where their mouth is. As long as there is a MIB
provided, DECmcc can manage a SUN via its agent.
My customers are SUN bigots. I would be willing to bet they are more
demanding and threatening than your customers, yet they chose DECmcc
for network management over SUNview and HPOpenView. SUNview wasn't
even close in the competition.
The SUN MIB is provided by SUN for everyone to use. It is included
with DECmcc so that you may run it through MTU if you have a SUN agent
to communicate with.
Hope this helps.
-Dan
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| 4869.5 | Try MSU ( POLYCENTER SNMP Element Manager) | WELLIN::MCCALLUM | | Fri Apr 16 1993 05:54 | 11 |
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We used to ship some snmp agents with MSU ( or POLYCENTER SNMP Element
Manager), some versions of SunOS we there, but not SOLARIS. I have one
for SUNos 4.0 I think, I expect it's MIB I only though.
You could check with the MSU guys if they would let you use it and if
the have a MIB for them.
Rgds
Dave.
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| 4869.6 | still no success managing sun clients | MCCMGT::SYSTEM | | Mon Apr 26 1993 05:09 | 10 |
| I found somewhere in the msu notesconference that there are many problems with
differnet operating systems of sun and their related mibs in MSU (yes, they have different mib
versions for different sun-os's).But they do not work correctly.
Second a have tried to compile via mtu the customers mib, but i got an error from the beginning of the first
first line and our mib wont work with the customers snmp agent (an public version coming from EUNET).
Still nobody out having success managing a sun client ?
regards Andy
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