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Title:DECmcc user notes file. Does not replace IPMT.
Notice:Use IPMT for problems. Newsletter location in note 6187
Moderator:TAEC::BEROUD
Created:Mon Aug 21 1989
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:6497
Total number of notes:27359

4790.0. "Custom/vendor mib extentions not availble after 1.3" by GADWAL::WOESTEMEYER (Why??...Why not!!!) Wed Mar 31 1993 16:00

    Well, I thought I would get brave and upgrade to 1.3.  I had expected
    to have to reinstall the Vitalink AM as well as recompile about 10 mib
    files, it only time after all.   Well the install of 1.3 went fine and
    it also appeared that the MIBs all compiled ok, at least the log file
    looks clean. I then used the Dictionary Browser, love it, the MIBs were
    all there as subclass of SNMP.  Looks good so far!!! Now for the
    problem, I went into the ICONIC map and after double clicking into the
    entity NONE of the vendor extentions were visible.
    
    After racking what little brain I have left, remembered a note about
    this, but I could not find it.  I dug a little more gray matter out and
    recalled that there was now some sort of filter that only allowed the
    Vendor specific extentions to be picked up when the entity was
    registered.  SO as a test I deregistered an entity, a vitalink, and the
    re-registered it.  Well the vitalink mib showed up.
    
    I then tried it with a terminal server, DECserver 300, no additional
    extentions were picked up.  Now how do I use the RS232 and CHAR mibs
    againest it!!!  I used to do this all the time!!!  I then tried a
    DECbridge 620,  I would have expected it to pick up not only the DEC
    mib, but the BRIDGE and FDDI extentions.  It only picked up the DEC
    mib.  
    
    I also feel it is unacceptable to have to deregister all SNMP entities
    and re-register them, just in the hopes that the mib extentions MIGHT
    be picked up.  This is a serious problem.
    
    Steve Woestemeyer
    CSC/CS - Network Support Team            
    DTN 592-4208
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4790.1In Support of .0 ...MAIL::CLAYTONMerlin Clayton DTN 445-7217Wed Mar 31 1993 16:5513
>>    I also feel it is unacceptable to have to deregister all SNMP entities
>>    and re-register them, just in the hopes that the mib extentions MIGHT
>>    be picked up.  This is a serious problem.

I agree adamantly with this last point!

The automatic MIB filter is worthless if it requires deregistering and
reregistering every SNMP device to make it take effect.  If given the choice
of the automatic MIB filter which requires the above, and no MIB filtering at
all, then I would opt for no filtering at all.

Merlin

4790.2new mib=reregister??CTHQ::WOODCOCKWed Mar 31 1993 19:179
Will this also mean that every time a vendor comes out with a new rev which
includes a new mib that all of this vendor's entities must be 
de/re/registered??? This won't make 'em happy to say the least if true.

best regards,
brad...


4790.3MOLAR::YAHEY::BOSEThu Apr 01 1993 12:3183
	RE .0

>>    After racking what little brain I have left, remembered a note about
>>    this, but I could not find it.  I dug a little more gray matter out and
>>    recalled that there was now some sort of filter that only allowed the
>>    Vendor specific extentions to be picked up when the entity was
>>    registered.  SO as a test I deregistered an entity, a vitalink, and the
>>    re-registered it.  Well the vitalink mib showed up.
 
	If only people would read the release notes. :-)
	Page 2-16 of the MCCBMS013.RELEASE_NOTES details a way of automatically
	reregistering the SNMP and NODE entities when you upgrade from V1.2 to 
	V1.3. (You can actually let it run overnight). I quote from the document.

*********************************
     The instructions for updating instance repository are below:

        On VMS:
          $ define MCC_REGISTRATION_FM_LOG 01000000
          $ mana/ent
          MCC> register snmp *
          MCC> register node *
          MCC> exit
          $ deassign  MCC_REGISTRATION_FM_LOG

        On ULTRIX:
          % setenv MCC_REGISTRATION_FM_LOG 0x01000000
          % manage
          MCC> register snmp *
          MCC> register node *
          MCC> exit
          % unsetenv MCC_REGISTRATION_FM_LOG

**********************************************

>>    I also feel it is unacceptable to have to deregister all SNMP entities
>>    and re-register them, just in the hopes that the mib extentions MIGHT
>>    be picked up.  This is a serious problem.

	The SNMP entities need to be re-registered only when you upgrade
	to V1.3. Also, if the agent strictly adhered to the SNMP protocol
	then all supported mibs (which have been loaded in the dictionary)
	will show up. If a mib does not show up you can always bring up 
	the tool box and add (register) the mib extension child entity
	to the iconic map. (This is after you have double-clicked into the 
	global entity).

	RE .1

>>The automatic MIB filter is worthless if it requires deregistering and
>>reregistering every SNMP device to make it take effect.  If given the choice
>>of the automatic MIB filter which requires the above, and no MIB filtering at
>>all, then I would opt for no filtering at all.

	As I said, once you have registered an SNMP entity with V1.3 you should
	not have to re-register that entity again. MIB filtering can be 
	a useful feature if you have a large number of mibs loaded in your
	dictionary. It is desirable to have only the supported ones to 
	show up on the iconic map, instead of having to sift through the
	list and figuring out which ones are supported. True, if all the
	supported mibs showed up correctly on the map then this would be
	a really useful feature. Unfortunately, due to quirks in the agent,
	all the mibs may not show up correctly, in which case the user can
	register the mib child entities by hand. The good thing about this
	approach is that it needs to be done only once, and your list
	of supported mibs is always there.

	RE .2

>>Will this also mean that every time a vendor comes out with a new rev which
>>includes a new mib that all of this vendor's entities must be 
>>de/re/registered??? This won't make 'em happy to say the least if true.

	No. Only if a vendor starts supporting a brand new mib will you
	have to reregister the entity. eg. If Chipcom adds a new branch to
	their private mib you will not have to reregister the entity.
	However if the chipcom agent starts supporting the RMON mib then
	you will have to reregister. Or you may choose to register the
	RMON child entity under the global entity by hand.

	Rahul.