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Title:DECmcc user notes file. Does not replace IPMT.
Notice:Use IPMT for problems. Newsletter location in note 6187
Moderator:TAEC::BEROUD
Created:Mon Aug 21 1989
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:6497
Total number of notes:27359

4761.0. "Enhancements for safe mib compiling..." by CTHQ::SCHNEIDER (Rick Schneider DTN 226-5904 LKG1-1 /w2 pole b14) Thu Mar 25 1993 02:12

    I'd like to request a couple enhancements to the mib compiler:

    - Check to see if the dictionary is open for read-only access
      at the start of the routine

    - Check to see if the all the mib files entered in the list exist

    I realize that these enhancements are meant to "protect the user
    from themself", but I think these simple enhancements would be
    very worthwhile. 

    The Mib compilation process is very time consuming. I tried compiling
    6 mibs into MCC and it took approximately 5 hours. The first attempt
    compiled the help files for the first mib and then aborted since I
    had spawned out of the MCCFCL process to run the mib compiler.

    The next attempt failed on the third mib compilation, due to and error
    in creative window command editing. I compiled the STD and Experimental
    mibs (cut/paste and edited the STD mib name and substituted EXP for
    STD). My error was that I didn't have the right version number for the
    experimental mib. So the compilation aborted, due to file not found,
    never attempting to continue with the mibs in the rest of the list to
    be compiled.

    It's embarrassing pilot error, but I'll bet I'm not the only one that
    one that will attempt to compile mibs with the dictionary open for
    read only access. Please consider the enhancements...

    						Thanks!

    						rick
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4761.1MCDOUG::dougpre-retinal integrationThu Mar 25 1993 10:204
If it's a bug, QAR it.
If it's an enhancement request, put a note in NOTED::EMF_REQ.

/doug
4761.2Easy MIB CompilationMAIL::CLAYTONMerlin Clayton DTN 445-7217Fri Mar 26 1993 13:3938
I would like to add my 2-cents worth to .0.

A customer of mine who is trialing MCC EMS V1.3 right now is having a 
hell of a time with the MIB compiler.  I don't know that they have gotten
any MIBs to compile in the past two weeks.  They do things like:

	1.  Try to compile MIBs with the ICMP up and running (this is a
  	    definite no-no that is intuitive to us all)

	2.  Shut MCC down but leave the IP Poller up and running
	    (same results as number 1 Data Dictionary Read Only error)

	3.  Due to lack of VMS knowledge and patience, they've blown
	    away (corrupted) the data dictionary once and we had to 
	    go back in and reinstall.

I've been on site two days a week for the past 3 weeks, and things work 
OK when I'm there.  But when someone is not there to hand-hold, the 
customer makes little mistakes that have a big impact.  I've been fooling
around with a launched appl that invokes the MIB compiler from a "master"
copy of the data dictionary, but have not yet succeeded in making that work.
However, we need something like this (POLYCENTER MIB Compiler launched
application) from the ICMP to make this function more idiot proof.

This MIB compiler launched appl should incorporate the suggestions in .0.
It should also present the user with a list of MIBs to select from with 
the possibility of incorporating a filtering feature for only Cisco, or
only Chipcom, or only Xyplex, etc.  I think the help files should be updated
after the fact also, since this part is time consuming up front.  

Does anyone care to comment on the feasability of such an approach?

At my customer's sight, we are be compared side-by-side with OPENview, and
I'm reminded how well HP handles the inclusion of new MIBs from a simple
"idiot proof" point and click menu appl.  I would hope that we could try
to achieve this level of simplicity.

Merlin
4761.3We are aware of this problem...MOLAR::DFLAT::PLOUFFEJerryMon Mar 29 1993 15:5311
We are aware of this (serious) problem.  We know it needs work.

I am very busy replacing the v1.3 dictionary subsystem with some new 
technology gotten from the Common Agent project.  This work currently 
takes precedence.

After this work is completed we can address your legitimate concerns.

Please be patient (he says, as if you already haven't! ;) )

- Jerry