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Title:DECmcc user notes file. Does not replace IPMT.
Notice:Use IPMT for problems. Newsletter location in note 6187
Moderator:TAEC::BEROUD
Created:Mon Aug 21 1989
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:6497
Total number of notes:27359

4674.0. "distributed MCC - when?" by ANOVAX::COMFORT (Cold iron shackle, ball & chain) Thu Mar 11 1993 11:21

    
    Hi,
    
    The DECmcc product has been touted as having fully distributed
    directors as a future.  Is there a time frame for including this
    functionality?
    
    I would view this concept as being able to do the following things:
    
    1)	an alarm on one mcc system can be sent to other MCC systems
    	automatically, ie. without having to use mcc_evc_send, etc.
    
    2)	transparently access historian data on a remote MCC system.
    
    3)	be able to issue commands to manage "lan only" entities across a WAN,
    	ie. bridges on a segment separated by a WAN with no extended lan
    	in-between.
    
    Is this the general idea?  Any info is appreciated.
    
    Thanks,
    
    Dave
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4674.1Product managementTOOK::MINTZErik MintzThu Mar 11 1993 11:307
We can't discuss future schedules in a public notes conference.
Please contact product management (Gail DELNI:: Ferreira) off line.

You may also wish to enter your requirements in the NOTED::EMF_REQ
notes conference.

-- Erik
4674.2Gail needs to know soonTOOK::GUERTINMCC: Legend or Nightmare?Fri Mar 12 1993 09:1518
    The first two concepts are what we call Domain Distribution.  The third
    concept is called Entity Distribution.  We are weighting these now with
    respect to how important they are compared to other features and
    requests asked for by customers as well as third party vendors.  You
    should let Gail know that these are important to you.
    
    One other distribution concept that we are evaluating is the
    Client/Server PM which essentially splits the Iconic Map in half, the
    display portion runs as a client and the Notification/Color management
    portion runs "forever" in the background as a server.  Furthermore, you
    can "Groupware" the Server portion by letting your "friends" attach to
    it as clients.  (Don't ask us for any more detail, because we probably
    cannot provide any.)
    
    It would be valuable to know what priority you (and other internal
    users) would give to these three distribution concepts.
    
    -Matt.
4674.3How about even being able to synchronize the mir's across two systemsMDCRAB::STUARTScott Stuart - MARVA Network Sales Support DTN 341-3132 - MARVA DistrictFri Mar 12 1993 11:5940
re: .1 - Lets be a little realisitc - in the EMA GD - copyright 1989 - page 6-8
	section 6.4 'With a set of correctly configured director components
	, a computer sytsem can act as a standalone directory or interact
	with other distributed directors' ... then that is explained with picutues
	for the next 5 pages.

I know that an architecutre does not pormise product, but we have been
selling or trying to sell this sutff for 3 years and distibution is a basic function necessary
to managene anything more than a moderate sized network.

My immediate problem is how to scale MCC to manage a 1400 location 
(2500+ end systems) WAN, with management 
backup capablitily from two data centers.  The systems (DECsytem 5000/240)
aren't large enough to do what is necessary for this type of network.

We will have to divide fault, and accounting/capacity planning at least, as well
as isolate by loations.  I need a reliable way to keep the databases (MIRs)
in synch.  I can live with just opening certain domains on differetn
workstations if I know that the databases are in synch.

The truly distributed director-director and fm-director functionality 
would be nice.  But we need something now.

My recomendations are 

1) synchronize mir's so that an entity registered on one MCC system will get propogted

2) alarm notification as specified in .0 
>	an alarm on one mcc system can be sent to other MCC systems
>   	automatically, ie. without having to use mcc_evc_send, etc.


3) Easy ways to divide out fault, config, and accounting management across 
multiple UNIX MCC's.

4) ALPHA-OSF support


... regards,
	scott
4674.4Same Song, next verse:DAGWST::SITZMon Jun 14 1993 15:2414
We are in the final stages of a proposal to a prime contractor.  The "System"
will consist of a little over ONE-THOUSAND THREE-HUNDRED AlphaAXP workstations
and servers, FIVE Gigaswitches, between 70 and 90 TERABYETS of data storage, and
3 to 5 MASPAR systems
.
The "Customer" would like to run OSF and use Polycenter xxx tools to manage the
whole thing.  Considering the uptime requirements, virtually everything
(including network management) needs to be distributed and redundant.

Distributed element management and synchronized "MIRS" seem necessary.

Regards,

Glen R.