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Title:DECmcc user notes file. Does not replace IPMT.
Notice:Use IPMT for problems. Newsletter location in note 6187
Moderator:TAEC::BEROUD
Created:Mon Aug 21 1989
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:6497
Total number of notes:27359

4423.0. "Iconic Map on PC !" by DELBOY::JOSHPC::Rex (Life's not what I thought it was !) Thu Jan 21 1993 07:28

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        Welcome to VAX/VMS V5.5    


I have a customer running DECmcc EMS V2.2 with MOTIF. They are attempting 
display on an NEC PC using LAN Workplace for DOS from the VS4000 M60.

Having upgraded to MOTIF the iconic map fires up along with the notification 
window. The display then crashes with the following error on the session on 
the workstation.

Is their any likelyhood we can fire the display on the PC. If so, what
needs doing ?


$ set display/create/node=134.142.55.2/trans=tcpip
$ manage/enterprise/inter=decw
%CMA-F-EXCCOPLOS, exception raised; some information lost
%TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows
module name     routine name                     line       rel PC    abs PC

                                                           0004B8C4  0004B8C4
                                                           0007C782  0007C782
                                                           000775DC  000775DC
                                                           0007AC78  0007AC78
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4423.1Some observationsANOSWS::COMFORTCold iron shackle, ball & chainThu Jan 21 1993 09:5311
    
    Though I do not have an answer, I can say that I have just completed a
    test of X w/ TCPIP transport from VAX UCX V2.0 to VAX UCX V2.0 using
    the iconic map interface w/ MCC V1.1 and have experienced no problems. 
    Also at my customer, we use X-served iconic maps to PCs on a regular
    basis, however we use DECnet and eXcursion.  This is with MCC V1.2
    iconic map.  Other than some known bugs in link disconnection from
    eXcursion, we experience no problems.  I will check to see if eXcursion
    supports the IP transport and if it does, give it a test.
    
    Dave
4423.2You do need an X Window Server on your PCTOOK::BMURRAYThu Jan 21 1993 14:5110
    
    
    Re: .0
    
    Dave (.1) is right. You need an MS Windows based X Window System Server
    running on your PC, such as eXcursion, to be able to display the IMPM on
    your PC.
    
    -Bob
    
4423.3eXcusrion only ?DELBOY::JOSHPC::RexLife's not what I thought it was !Fri Jan 22 1993 09:1215
Re .1 & .2 -

Many thanks for that. Unfortunately the customer who does not have eXcursion 
is evaluating OpenView <-> DECmcc and can only get the OpenView iconic 
display on his PC.

I assume the bottom line is if eXcursion is not being used, despite the fact 
the PC in question has MS Windows we can not support them.

:*(

Rex


4423.4can you get more info?ANOSWS::COMFORTCold iron shackle, ball &amp; chainFri Jan 22 1993 11:0111
    
    Not necessarily eXcursion, just a valid X server package that supports
    the MIT X window system version 11 spec.  MSwindows is *NOT* an X
    server.  You will need to find out if the OpenView is using TCP/IP and
    X (Motif) or if is using NETBIOS and MSwindow calls imbedded in a
    transport (be it TCP/IP, DECnet, LanManager, etc).  If it is the former
    configuration, make sure that you have the latest MOTIF for VMS on your
    system (the correct one is the one that replaces DEC windows
    completely).  Is the open view system a UN*X implementation or a PC?
    
    Dave
4423.5one more tidbitANOSWS::COMFORTCold iron shackle, ball &amp; chainFri Jan 22 1993 11:087
    
    One more thing, OpenView does not do DECnet, at least as of the last
    article I read.  This puts it at a grave disavantage in a DEC
    environment.  OpenView will not manage DECbridges or non-smnp terminal
    servers either, to my knowledge.
    
    Dave
4423.6OpenView/DECnetLEMAN::JOSHIFaster than a Tachyon, but easier to find..Tue Jan 26 1993 10:508
    ref .5: 

    OpenView does DECnet.. Not very well but they do DECnet. They (HP) have
    demonstrated that to one of our largest customer. 

    But we can beat OpenView for now.. we have to be a little clever about it...
    (SVP programs, AM's, etc.., Human Interfaces etc.. better produce 
    better results though..)
4423.7re -.1,-.2ANOSWS::COMFORTCold iron shackle, ball &amp; chainTue Jan 26 1993 11:149
    
    I have realized that I was referring to an article I read reviewing a
    network management product, but it was not from HP.  I think it may
    have been from Sun (?).  I mixed up the information and I apologize for
    I certainly do not mean to mislead.
    
    Sorry,
    
    Dave