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Title:DECmcc user notes file. Does not replace IPMT.
Notice:Use IPMT for problems. Newsletter location in note 6187
Moderator:TAEC::BEROUD
Created:Mon Aug 21 1989
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:6497
Total number of notes:27359

4402.0. "MCC on Ultrix looking into OpenVMS system - slow response " by WELTM1::CRIDDLE (Graham Criddle, DS Tech Consultant, 853-4015) Mon Jan 18 1993 06:55

Hi.
I have recently installed the MCC 1.2 (including the Phase V AM)
software on my DS3100 running Ultrix 4.3.

I am using DNS to hold addressing information and am using my own private 
namespace which is served by a VAX 6600 on my local LAN.

I have a VAXstation 3100 running VMS 5.5-2 and Wave2.

(Note: my DS3100 is underconfigured in that it only has 20 Mb of memory so I
am expecting a performance hit, but I am seeing things which I cannot attribute
to this factor)

When using the IMPM on the DS3100 and trying to look into the icon associated
with the VAXstation I have to wait a long time (> 1 minute) for any information
to be displayed.

Monitoring the network traffic going on at this time shows two things.

1) There are a lot of NSP connections made and disconnected from the DS3100 to
the VS3100 at around 4 second intervals.
I assume that this is the DS3100 requesting a new logical link for each item 
of information it is trying to obtain.

2) For each of these connection requests, the DS3100 queries the VAX 6600 to
get DNS information to find out how to get to the VS3100.

My questions:

1) Why are multiple connections used instead of one?
2) Why is this DNS information not cached within the Ultrix system?

Appreciate any response

Rgds,
Graham
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4402.1Children, lots of childrenFARMS::LYONSAhh, but fortunately, I have the key to escape reality.Mon Jan 18 1993 11:5713
4402.2WELTM1::CRIDDLEGraham Criddle, DS Tech Consultant, 853-4015Mon Jan 18 1993 12:4218
Hi (again)

Thanks for the reply...

I understand that the Node entity has a lot of children, but find it strange
that MCC cannot ask a remote Node what children it has in one operation using
one logical link instead of using one logical link for each of them.

It would appear that when looking into a Node4 entity only one logical link
is used.

Why is it necessary to use many when talking to a Phase V node and only one
when talking to a Phase IV node?

Is it due to different capabilities within NML and CMIP?

Rgds,
Graham
4402.3QARed At priority = LFARMS::LYONSAhh, but fortunately, I have the key to escape reality.Mon Jan 18 1993 12:590
4402.4upgradeTOOK::PURRETTAMon Jan 18 1993 13:3716
The DNA5 AM *does* have a link cache as of V1.2.3, and also as of that
version the look-into algorithm was changed to essentially what Dave
described.  Registration takes longer, but the look-into operation
only goes to the node for a few cases where the next level child entity
is a dna5 module which takes an instance.

You should upgrade to v1.2.3, or if you're an internal site you may want
to try out the 1.3 fieldtest kit.

To answer your question about why the AM doesn't just ask the node about
all the children, there are two reasons.  First, there isn't a CMIP request
(that I know of) to do this in a single request.  Even if there were,
the access module has no idea this is what is wanted.  The PM or FM sends a
single request down to the AM about each child entity.

John
4402.5WELTM1::CRIDDLEGraham Criddle, DS Tech Consultant, 853-4015Tue Jan 19 1993 08:476
John...

Many thanks for your reponse, I will look into getting 1.2.3

Rgds,
Graham
4402.6How to find out the names of my childrenBLUMON::SYLORArchitect = Buzzword GeneratorThu Jan 28 1993 09:2231
John,

All children of the node can be requested in a single CMIP operation. In NCL,
the command would be

NCL> Show Node DEC:.foo *

That would return all the attributes of all children of the node (a.k.a. 
all modules).

In the CMIP message, the entity class would be
	{emaprefix(1.3.12.2.1011.2) entities(1) node(2) known-class(127)}
the entity instance would have two parts,
	first the internal form of the Full Name DEC:.foo
	second the magic instance value known, which at the user interface is 
	represented by *, but which in ASN.1 is represented by
		[APPLICATION 29] IMPLICIT NULL

This is described in the entity model, section 4.6 (pg 22-23) section 8.18
(pg 103-105) and in section A.1, Table 2 (pg 128-129).

Of course the problem of how we get the FMs to ask
	"Who are your children?",
rather than asking, 
	"Do you you have a child named Alice?",
	"Do you have a child named Alex?",
	"Do you have a child named Ann?",
	... etc ...
as it does now is a bit harder to solve.

Mark
4402.7All partitions tooTOOK::PURRETTAThu Jan 28 1993 10:536
    Thanks for the info Mark.  I didn't realize that.
    
    It's also too bad that in MCC there's no concept of wilcarded
    partitions.  I'm aware that in CMIP we can ask in a single request
    info for all partitions but can't express that across the call
    interface down to the AM.