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Title:DECmcc user notes file. Does not replace IPMT.
Notice:Use IPMT for problems. Newsletter location in note 6187
Moderator:TAEC::BEROUD
Created:Mon Aug 21 1989
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:6497
Total number of notes:27359

4386.0. "DECmcc/ULTRIX V123 & DECnet/OSI ??" by ZTOIS1::VISTA (Renato VISTA, SIS Strasbourg, France) Thu Jan 14 1993 04:12

    
    Hi,
    
    I'm working currently on a DECmcc/ULTRIX platform with the following
    products :
    
    		. ULTRIX V4.2A
    		. DECnet/ULTRIX V4.2 (ie Phase IV)
    		. DECmcc/BMS V1.2.3
    		. MIR local namespace
    
    My customer wants to use DNS full function as naming space with the
    following new configuration :
    
    		. ULTRIX V4.3
    		. DECnet ULTRIX Extented Function V5.1 (ie Phase V, and DNS
    		Server V2.0)
    		. DECmcc/BMS V1.2.3
    		. DNS Full Function namespace
    
    My questions are :
    
    	1) Will all DECnet IV mechanism developed in the first platform (ie
    DECnet IV, MIR Namespace) to monitor DECnet nodes in asynchonous mode
    (using events sent by local DECnet IV router), be compatible on the
    second platform (ie DECnet V, DNS Server Full Function) ?
    
    	2) In the SPD of DECmcc, the prerequisite DECnet product seems to
    be DECnet/ULTRIX (DNP420). Is it possible to use DECmcc/BMS V123 with
    DECnet/ULTRIX Extended Function (DNP510), and using both DECnet IV
    Access Module AND DECnet/OSI Access Module ?
    
    Thank you for your help.
    Regards,
    Renato
                            
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4386.1TOOK::PURRETTAThu Jan 14 1993 10:0529
    	1) Will all DECnet IV mechanism developed in the first platform (ie
    DECnet IV, MIR Namespace) to monitor DECnet nodes in asynchonous mode
    (using events sent by local DECnet IV router), be compatible on the
    second platform (ie DECnet V, DNS Server Full Function) ?

	You won't be able to monitor DECnet phaseIV events from the
	phaseV node with DECmcc V1.2.3.  You *will* be able to do this
	in V1.3 which is in field test right now.  This is because the
	DECnet phaseIV EVL doesn't run in a phaseV environment and
	support for phaseIV relayed events in the phaseV EVL wasn't
	available in V1.2.3 .  So, if you want to monitor phaseIV events
	in this environment you'll have to run MCC on one of the phaseIV
	systems until V1.3 ships.  I'm not sure what you're asking about the
	namespaces.  DNS provides all the features that the local MIR has
	so whatever you were doing with the MIR you should be able to do
	using DNS.
    
    	2) In the SPD of DECmcc, the prerequisite DECnet product seems to
    be DECnet/ULTRIX (DNP420). Is it possible to use DECmcc/BMS V123 with
    DECnet/ULTRIX Extended Function (DNP510), and using both DECnet IV
    Access Module AND DECnet/OSI Access Module ?
    
	Yes, you can use DECmcc on a DECnet phaseV system.
	Both the DECnet phaseIV and phaseV access modules were written
	so that they can operate in either DECnet environment.


  John
4386.2How to get DNS only from phase V subsets?SUBWAY::AMMUThu Jan 14 1993 10:474
    One of the problems I had was, on ultrix dns comes only with decnet
    phase V. I installed phase iv, and then I wanted to use DNS , tried to
    pickup dns only from PHASE V subsets, it failed saying decnet already 
    installed. Any work around?
4386.3OK, but what about DECnet licenses ???ZTOIS1::VISTARenato VISTA, SIS Strasbourg, FranceThu Jan 14 1993 11:0125
    
    Hi John,
    
    And thank you for your reply.
    
    So, I will configured my platfom with the following products :
    
    	. ULTRIX V4.3
    	. DECnet/ULTRIX V4.2 (kit DNP420)
    	. DNS Full Function (ie Server, from kit DNP510)
    	. DECmcc/BMS V1.2.3
    
    Nevertheless, I have more questions :
    
    1) DECnet/ULTRIX and DECnet/OSI for ULTRIX have the same UPI on the
    CDROM NOV.92. What about the license/PAK ?? Is this the same PAK
    (product DECNET-ULTRIX), or are there two different PAKs ?
    
    2) Do we need a PAK for DNS server ?
    
    Thank you for you reply.
    Regards,
    Renato
    
    
4386.4TOOK::PURRETTAThu Jan 14 1993 11:1916
    I don't think you can configure your system to be PhaseIV DECnet
    and have DNS.  Perhaps the DNS notes conference or DECnet Ultrix
    notes conference can answer that for certain.  The same goes for
    the question about PAKS.  But my feeling is that the configuration
    you are proposing may not work.
    
    What I was trying to suggest in my first reply was that if you had
    a mixed environment where you had some phaseIV nodes and some
    phaseV nodes, and you were interested in receiving events from both,
    then until DECmcc V1.3 comes out you must set up your MCC director
    on one of the phaseIV nodes so that both the DNA4 and DNA5 EVL can run.
    
    In V1.3 the DNA5 EVL can field and process both phaseV *and* phaseIV
    relayed events so you could then move your MCC environment over to the
    phaseV system.
    
4386.5so... which DECnet/ULTRIX version ???ZTOIS1::VISTARenato VISTA, SIS Strasbourg, FranceThu Jan 14 1993 12:0014
    
    John,
    
    I will try to solve the PAK problem.
    
    Futhermore, if there are ONLY Phase IV nodes to manage on my network,
    is it possible to have a DECnet PHASE IV node as MCC Director using DNS
    Server (V2.0), on ULTRIX V4.3 ? 
    
    What about the DECnet/ULTRIX version ???
    
    Regards,
    Renato
    
4386.6No DNS with DECnet IVTOOK::MINTZErik MintzThu Jan 14 1993 12:007
There is no way to run DECdns on an ULTRIX system unless that system
has all of DECnet/OSI installed.  DECdns makes calls to DECnet
through an interface that is only provided in DECnet/OSI.
So it is NOT possible to use the DNS code from the DECnet/OSI
kit on a DECnet phase IV system.

-- Erik