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Conference azur::mcc

Title:	DECmcc user notes file. Does not replace IPMT.
Notice:	Use IPMT for problems. Newsletter location in note 6187
Moderator:	TAEC::BEROUD

Created:	Mon Aug 21 1989
Last Modified:	Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:	6497
Total number of notes:	27359

3582.0. "WANTED: ACT OF CONGRESS!!!" by CAADC::GALVIN (Mic Galvin, MCI Team) Tue Aug 18 1992 10:23

    		VMS Upgrade Woes
    
    Hi there.  Has anyone upgraded their VMS platform to T5.5-2E7?  Well,
    I did, and now I'm getting this error message when I try to startup
    MCC:
    
    >>> CMA$RTL SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB] CMA$RTL.EXE must be installed ...
    
    
    I tried looking at the image and it doesn't get installed, 
    
    	$ INSTALL LIST SYS$LIBRARY:CMA$RTL.EXE
    
    
    I tried to install it like this, 
    
    	$ INSTALL CREATE SYS$LIBRARY:CMA$RTL.EXE/OPEN/HEAD/SHARED
    
    
    It wouldn't let me, so I installed it like this,
    
    	$ INSTALL CREATE SYS$LIBRARY:CMA$RTL.EXE
    
    But then when I try to activate MCC I get the same error message.  It
    says that the image is installed, READ ONLY?????  Any ideas?  This is a
    BIGGY!!!  
    
    Just as an aside, I upgraded VMS 5.4-3 to VMS 5.5.  Next I applied the
    MUP and then did the update to VMS U1055, immediately afterwards. 
    After the 2 subsequent reboots, I had VMS V5.5-1 and all looked ok. 
    Then immediately afterwords I updated to (what I thought was VMS
    V5.5-2), VMS U2055, which turned out to be the above version...errrr!
    
    I'm posting hate mail in VMSNOTES, VMS_FIELD_TESTS, and
    VMS_SYSTEM_MANAGEMENT.  When I get to the customer site, I'll probably
    give the "rock" a call to...  Anybody else seen this kind of behavior? 
    What does the CMA$RTL.EXE image actually do, relative to MCC?  It was
    very late after I finished the above genocide...err, upgrade, and I
    didn't get a chance to research it....err!
    
    thanks,
    
    /Mic

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3582.1	AND ANOTHER THING...	CAADC::GALVIN	Mic Galvin, MCI Team	`Tue Aug 18 1992 10:25`	7
	And another thing... I'll add that my patform is BMS V1.2, with TSAM V1.0, and the latest toolkit. I've got a VAXserver 3900, and a "lovely" X Windows Terminal running DECwindow/EWS. Thanks. /Mic
3582.2	CMA == DECthreads	TOOK::MINTZ	Erik Mintz, dtn 226-5033	`Tue Aug 18 1992 10:39`	19
	> Hi there. Has anyone upgraded their VMS platform to T5.5-2E7? Well, Are you sure you want to be running a field test version of VMS at your customer site? We have seen some bugs one or more VMS FT versions that have disrupted the operation of DECmcc. > What does the CMA$RTL.EXE image actually do, relative to MCC? It was CMA$RTL is the shareable image for DECthreads, the threading package used throughout DECmcc. The CLT::CMA notes conference discusses this package. By the way, did you install DECmcc before or after the upgrade? Now that some versions of VMS are shipping (an older) CMA library, you may have uncovered an incompatability between what is shipped on VMS and what DECmcc expects. -- Erik
3582.3	Known problems	RACER::dave	Ahh, but fortunately, I have the key to escape reality.	`Tue Aug 18 1992 11:32`	15
	The CMA files in the 5.5-2 kit had known bugs in them, the VMS FT notes files went over that. Also, the VMS 5.5-2 upgrade trashes the newer CMA images provided by MCC and replaces them with much older, buggy versions. This had been QARed against VMS and the reply was "We are VMS, and we can replace any image on the system we want to", So, you need to get the correct CMS images from the MCC kit, and put them back on the system. This is covered in the release notes, but you didnt read them, i'll bet.... The fact the the message about installed images appears at all is because VMS incorrectly linked the images when they built them. That has been fixed, but it still is an old, broken CMA.
3582.4	beat me...oh, yeah!	CAADC::GALVIN	Mic Galvin, MCI Team	`Tue Aug 18 1992 14:11`	22
	Erik, Hi there. Thanks for the quick reply! Your's and Dave's (I'll respond to his next..smile) were quite timely. As for the recommendation of not installing FT software on a Customer site, I fully concur! However, first of all, I didn't realize that T5.5-2E7 was NOT V5.5-2! I skimmed the thousands of pages of release notes, from V5.5, to V5.5-1, V5.5-2, err, T5.5-2E7 that is... Sorry I missed the CMA stuff... I've been pretty religious with my MCC reading though...smile. Secondly, we (ie: DEC) technically OWN the prototype DECmcc station I've built, so I'm not jeopardizing the stock at all...smile. The last question you asked was whether I installed MCC before or after VMS. I installed BMS V1.2 2 weeks ago (am I'm sure it V1.2...smile!) I think I'll explore RACER::DAVE's idea about replacing the CMA$RTL.EXE files... and now to Dave. Thank you Erik... I'm still waiting for the performance stats on MCC...only kidding! I've already lasso'd Dave for that one... /Mic
3582.5	slap me, hit me, hurt me...	CAADC::GALVIN	Mic Galvin, MCI Team	`Tue Aug 18 1992 14:16`	16
	Dave, I get you're just mad at me because I haven't returned your calls...smile. I read most of the release notes...! As I told Erik in a previous reply, I upgraded from VMS V5.4-3 to V5.5, to V5.5-1, T5.5-2E7...give a guy a break!!! I'm having difficulty getting through Steven King's THE STAND (half way done...though), and you expect me to read 5000 pages of release notes, between DECmcc and VMS!!!! Then read the MCC Notes Conference, MCC-TOOLS Notes Conference, VMSNOTES, VMS_FIELD_TESTS, whew....need a rest after that razzin'! Anway, I'm at home, but on my way to the customer site and I'll try to call you when I get there. I really appreciate you guys taking so much time to hold my hand...smile. But as I told Erik, I'm still waiting for the performance stats....gotcha! /Mic
3582.6	See 3406.8 :-)	EPAVAX::CARLOTTI	Rick Carlotti, DTN 440-2194, Sales Support	`Wed Aug 19 1992 00:06`	0