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Title:DECmcc user notes file. Does not replace IPMT.
Notice:Use IPMT for problems. Newsletter location in note 6187
Moderator:TAEC::BEROUD
Created:Mon Aug 21 1989
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:6497
Total number of notes:27359

3490.0. "Installation War Stories (V1.2)" by CAADC::GALVIN (Mic Galvin, MCI Team) Mon Aug 03 1992 15:45

    	MCC V1.2 Installation Feedback
    
    Hi there,
    	I have just upgraded DECmcc from T1.2.7 � V1.2.  I searched in this
    Conference to see if there was a base note describing the installation
    process with feedback, problems, etc. and didn't find one.  I apologize
    in advance if I overlooked one.  I did, DIR/KEY=INSTALLATION, and
    didn't see any really biggies..., so here goes.
    
    Documentation 'Nit':
    
    	In Chapter 1 of the BMS Installation guide, on page 1-2 there's a
    section that describes how to ensure that DECmcc installs smoothly. 
    There is one section that "I feel" is left out...  There's no mention
    of stopping any DECmcc process, ie:  MCC_DNA4_EVL, MCC_EVC_SINK, etc.
    	In Chapter 5, page 5-2 there IS, regarding additional AMs, that
    says, "...ensure no MCC process or events...".  I believe it's
    important to have this same verbage in Chapter 1.  Some customers might
    be installing ONLY the BMS kit, and it's kind of a nusance to STOP/ID
    the sink processes...  I chose to STOP/ID the processes and then
    restart the installation, perhaps it wouldn't have failed if I simply
    STOP/ID'd...smile.
    
    Curiosity:
    
    	During the BMS install I got the following error message:
    
    "...installing saveset b..."
    
     " DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling"
    (followed by)
    
    \DECMCCDIR$\
    
    	And then a second error...
    
    " DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling"
    (followed by)
    
    \DECMCCDIR$6\
    
    
    	Just a couple of nits.  I installed BMS in 35 mins, Toolkit in 17
    mins, and I'm doing TSAM as we speak.  Aside from the above, an
    EXCELLENT KIT!!!  Thanks.
    
    /Mic
    
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3490.1homegrown problems...CAADC::GALVINMic Galvin, MCI TeamWed Aug 05 1992 23:2324
    Hi there,
    	Ok, now that the dust has cleared...  I have 2 custom AMs and a
    custom FM on this system (the stats are:  VMS 5.4-3, MCC V1.2.0).  It's
    a VAXserver 3900 w/ 64mg of Memory, 2 RF71s  and an Xterminal 1300/SPX.  
    	When I upgraded I had some problems with MMs not being enrolled,
    the typical stuff, so I enrolled them and all the standard products are
    fine.  However, first I couldn't see my custom icons, after enrolling
    them, I could see the icons, but couldn't get past the parents.  Kept
    getting unrecognized child entities (roughly speaking).
    	I had a copy of the MCC_FDICTIONARY.DAT/BPT files that I stashed
    before the upgrade.  I moved those into MCC_SPECIFIC and did a REBUILD
    of my dictionary.  All is well at this point but I have a question.  Is
    it ok to use the dictionary in this manner?  Is there anything that
    gets done in the upgrade that I'm missing?  I haven't noticed any
    serious problems yet...  I noticed when I installed TSAM it did a
    rebuild of the dictionary, should I reinstall TSAM?  I had it installed
    (field test) previously...  Thanks in advance.
    	I've gotten mail from Larry Grossman explaining *most* of my
    problems... thanks.  I'd be curious to know if there are alot of people
    out there doing custom AMs???
    
    /Mic
    
    
3490.2confused in ChicagoCAADC::GALVINMic Galvin, MCI TeamFri Aug 07 1992 12:3321
    Hi there,
    	Anybody seen any problems with the CIRCUIT AM after upgrading to
    V1.2?  I keep getting the "verb, entity, partion" blues...  I took a
    look in my dictionary, $MANAGE/TOOLKIT/DICTIONARY SHOW, and things look
    ok.  When I look at the class, 
    
    	DAP> use class CIRCUIT
        DAP> show
    
    I don't have any errors, or see any weirdness?  To re-iterate.  I
    upgraded to V1.2, had problems, copied over an old copy of my
    MCC_FDICTIONARY files, and did a REBUILD.  Things look good with the
    custom AMs and most everything else.  Oh yeah, from time to time I get
    an error message barking at my NOTIFICATION FM not being enrolled.  I
    enroll it and it says " duplicate entity...etc."  Any ideas???
    
    
    thanks,
    
    /Mic
    
3490.3map files gone after V1.2 upgradeCAADC::GALVINMic Galvin, MCI TeamMon Aug 10 1992 18:0413
    Hi there,
    	I was able to fix my problems with the CIRCUIT AM and the
    NOTIFICATION FM by re-installing MCC V1.2.  I didn't move the
    MCC_FDICTIONARY files over this time, and still can't see my custom AMs
    or custom FM.  The problem I am currently facing is that all my MAPs
    are gone?  I used the US Backdrop as my default map, and there it
    is....GONE!  What gives?
    	Is there an easy way to restore previously saved maps?  I still
    have the files on disk, but I can't quite seem to get the map files to
    activate.  Thanks in advance.
    
    /Mic
    
3490.4Iconic Map crashes after upgradeEEMELI::VESALAINENDECnet Phase V = OSI for the MassesWed Aug 12 1992 04:4336
I upgraded from DECmcc T1.2.7 to DECmcc V1.2 SSB.
I also installed ELM AM.  Everything seemed to go smoothly, but when I
tried to start Iconic map PM, I'll get first the Iconic map window and
two DECmcc message windows. After that the DECmcc crashes.

I rerun IVP and everything seems to be OK. Any ideas what could be wrong?

$ mana/ent/int=decw

 No input bitmaps found for FDDI-Station
%CMA-F-EXCCOP, exception raised; VMS condition code follows
-SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual address=00000032, PC
=001F137C, PSL=03C00004
%TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows
module name     routine name                     line       rel PC    abs PC


                                                           0004B8C0  0004B8C0
                                                           0007C382  0007C382
                                                           000771DC  000771DC
                                                           0007A878  0007A878

$ mana/ent
DECmcc (V1.2.0)

MCC> show mcc 0 all attr

MCC 0
AT 12-AUG-1992 10:39:01 All Attributes

                         Component Name = FNOMCC:.MCC.HSKONE_DIRECTOR
                      Component Version = V1.2.0
               Component Identification = "DECmcc"
       Default Namespace Root Directory = ""
                    Namespace Selection = "DECdns"
    
3490.5see note 3236TOOK::MINTZErik Mintz, dtn 226-5033Wed Aug 12 1992 08:365
This is the result of a change to the registered code for the FDDI
global entity between the T1.2.7 and SSB versions of the ELM kits.

See note 3236

3490.6But I have no FDDI stations registeredEEMELI::VESALAINENDECnet Phase V = OSI for the MassesWed Aug 12 1992 09:514
    Hmm... note 3236 said I should do it before upgrading. However,
    I did the upgrade first. :-(
    Also I don't have any FDDI stations registered, does it mean
    that I have the same problem.
3490.7Don't see how FDDI AM change could result in ACC-VIOQUIVER::HAROKOPUSWed Aug 12 1992 11:0123
 > No input bitmaps found for FDDI-Station

This error indicates that the IMPM could not find the FDDI-Station icon.

Please post the following:

$show log mcc_icons

$dir mcc_icons:*fddi*.dat

$dir mcc_common:*fddi*.dat


In any event I don't see how this would result in an ACC-VIO.   The fact 
that you had none of the old "FDDI" entities regiestered means that the
change to FDDI-Station should not effect you.  

At any time did you install the T1.2.7 ELM kit on the MCC SSB kit?  This has 
caused problems for other users.

Regards, 

Bob
3490.8EEMELI::VESALAINENDECnet Phase V = OSI for the MassesThu Aug 13 1992 03:0576
    It seems that FDDI-stations icons are in mcc_common: directory.
    I checked the versions and ELM AM and BMS are SSB versions.
    
    $show log mcc_icons
    
   "MCC_ICONS" = "USER1:[MCC.ICONS]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)

    $ dir mcc_icons:*fddi*.dat
    
Directory USER1:[MCC.ICONS]

MCC_DOMAIN_FDDI_SEGMENT_ICON.DAT;4      MCC_FDDI_ABA_DAC_ICON.DAT;4
MCC_FDDI_ABA_DAS_ICON.DAT;4             MCC_FDDI_ABB_DAC_ICON.DAT;4
MCC_FDDI_ABB_DAS_ICON.DAT;4             MCC_FDDI_A_DAC_ICON.DAT;4
MCC_FDDI_A_DAS_ICON.DAT;4               MCC_FDDI_B_DAC_ICON.DAT;4
MCC_FDDI_B_DAS_ICON.DAT;4               MCC_FDDI_ICON.DAT;4 MCC_FDDI_NAC_ICON.DAT;4
MCC_FDDI_NULL_DAC_ICON.DAT;4            MCC_FDDI_SAC_ICON.DAT;4
MCC_FDDI_SAS_ICON.DAT;4                 MCC_FDDI_TAB_DAC_ICON.DAT;4
MCC_FDDI_TAB_DAS_ICON.DAT;4             MCC_FDDI_TA_DAC_ICON.DAT;4
MCC_FDDI_TA_DAS_ICON.DAT;4              MCC_FDDI_TA_SAC_ICON.DAT;4
MCC_FDDI_TA_SAS_ICON.DAT;4              MCC_FDDI_TB_DAC_ICON.DAT;4
MCC_FDDI_TB_DAS_ICON.DAT;4              MCC_FDDI_TB_SAC_ICON.DAT;4
MCC_FDDI_TB_SAS_ICON.DAT;4              MCC_FDDI_TS_SAC_ICON.DAT;4
MCC_FDDI_UST_ICON.DAT;4                 MCC_FDDI_VCONC_ICON.DAT;4
MCC_FDDI_VSLAVES_ICON.DAT;4             MCC_FDDI_WAB_DAC_ICON.DAT;4
MCC_FDDI_WAB_DAS_ICON.DAT;4             MCC_FDDI_WA_DAC_ICON.DAT;4
MCC_FDDI_WA_DAS_ICON.DAT;4              MCC_FDDI_WB_DAC_ICON.DAT;4
MCC_FDDI_WB_DAS_ICON.DAT;4              

Total of 34 files.

    $dir mcc_common:*fddi*.dat
Directory USER1:[MCC]

MCC_DOMAIN_FDDI_SEGMENT_ICON.DAT;4      MCC_FDDI-STATION_ABA_DAC_ICON.DAT;1
MCC_FDDI-STATION_ABA_DAS_ICON.DAT;1     MCC_FDDI-STATION_ABB_DAC_ICON.DAT;1
MCC_FDDI-STATION_ABB_DAS_ICON.DAT;1     MCC_FDDI-STATION_A_DAC_ICON.DAT;1
MCC_FDDI-STATION_A_DAS_ICON.DAT;1       MCC_FDDI-STATION_B_DAC_ICON.DAT;1
MCC_FDDI-STATION_B_DAS_ICON.DAT;1       MCC_FDDI-STATION_ICON.DAT;1
MCC_FDDI-STATION_NAC_ICON.DAT;1         MCC_FDDI-STATION_NULL_DAC_ICON.DAT;1
MCC_FDDI-STATION_NULL_DAS_ICON.DAT;1    MCC_FDDI-STATION_SAC_ICON.DAT;1
MCC_FDDI-STATION_SAS_ICON.DAT;1         MCC_FDDI-STATION_TAB_DAC_ICON.DAT;1
MCC_FDDI-STATION_TAB_DAS_ICON.DAT;1     MCC_FDDI-STATION_TA_DAC_ICON.DAT;1
MCC_FDDI-STATION_TA_DAS_ICON.DAT;1      MCC_FDDI-STATION_TA_SAC_ICON.DAT;1
MCC_FDDI-STATION_TA_SAS_ICON.DAT;1      MCC_FDDI-STATION_TB_DAC_ICON.DAT;1
MCC_FDDI-STATION_TB_DAS_ICON.DAT;1      MCC_FDDI-STATION_TB_SAC_ICON.DAT;1
MCC_FDDI-STATION_TB_SAS_ICON.DAT;1      MCC_FDDI-STATION_TREE_DAC_ICON.DAT;1
MCC_FDDI-STATION_TREE_DAS_ICON.DAT;1    MCC_FDDI-STATION_T_SAC_ICON.DAT;1
MCC_FDDI-STATION_T_SAS_ICON.DAT;1       MCC_FDDI-STATION_UST_ICON.DAT;1
MCC_FDDI-STATION_VCONC_ICON.DAT;1       MCC_FDDI-STATION_VSLAVES_ICON.DAT;1
MCC_FDDI-STATION_WAB_DAC_ICON.DAT;1     MCC_FDDI-STATION_WAB_DAS_ICON.DAT;1
MCC_FDDI-STATION_WA_DAC_ICON.DAT;1      MCC_FDDI-STATION_WA_DAS_ICON.DAT;1
MCC_FDDI-STATION_WB_DAC_ICON.DAT;1      MCC_FDDI-STATION_WB_DAS_ICON.DAT;1
MCC_FDDI-STATION_W_DAC_ICON.DAT;1       MCC_FDDI-STATION_W_DAS_ICON.DAT;1
MCC_FDDI_ABA_DAC_ICON.DAT;2             MCC_FDDI_ABA_DAS_ICON.DAT;2
MCC_FDDI_ABB_DAC_ICON.DAT;2             MCC_FDDI_ABB_DAS_ICON.DAT;2
MCC_FDDI_A_DAC_ICON.DAT;2               MCC_FDDI_A_DAS_ICON.DAT;2
MCC_FDDI_B_DAC_ICON.DAT;2               MCC_FDDI_B_DAS_ICON.DAT;2
MCC_FDDI_ICON.DAT;2 MCC_FDDI_NAC_ICON.DAT;2                 MCC_FDDI_NULL_DAC_ICON.DAT;2
MCC_FDDI_NULL_DAS_ICON.DAT;2            MCC_FDDI_SAC_ICON.DAT;2
MCC_FDDI_SAS_ICON.DAT;2                 MCC_FDDI_TAB_DAC_ICON.DAT;2
MCC_FDDI_TAB_DAS_ICON.DAT;2             MCC_FDDI_TA_DAC_ICON.DAT;2
MCC_FDDI_TA_DAS_ICON.DAT;2              MCC_FDDI_TA_SAC_ICON.DAT;2
MCC_FDDI_TA_SAS_ICON.DAT;2              MCC_FDDI_TB_DAC_ICON.DAT;2
MCC_FDDI_TB_DAS_ICON.DAT;2              MCC_FDDI_TB_SAC_ICON.DAT;2
MCC_FDDI_TB_SAS_ICON.DAT;2              MCC_FDDI_TREE_DAC_ICON.DAT;2
MCC_FDDI_TREE_DAS_ICON.DAT;2            MCC_FDDI_T_SAC_ICON.DAT;2
MCC_FDDI_T_SAS_ICON.DAT;2               MCC_FDDI_UST_ICON.DAT;2
MCC_FDDI_VCONC_ICON.DAT;2               MCC_FDDI_VSLAVES_ICON.DAT;2
MCC_FDDI_WAB_DAC_ICON.DAT;2             MCC_FDDI_WAB_DAS_ICON.DAT;2
MCC_FDDI_WA_DAC_ICON.DAT;2              MCC_FDDI_WA_DAS_ICON.DAT;2
MCC_FDDI_WB_DAC_ICON.DAT;2              MCC_FDDI_WB_DAS_ICON.DAT;2
MCC_FDDI_W_DAC_ICON.DAT;2               MCC_FDDI_W_DAS_ICON.DAT;2

Total of 79 files.
    
3490.9What's wrong with Circuit defs?EEMELI::VESALAINENDECnet Phase V = OSI for the MassesThu Aug 13 1992 06:5452
    After doing some more research I found the cause of this problem.
    Reading note 3468.* gave me the necessary hint.
    
    If I have Circuit defined in certain domain (created earlier),
    this will cause ACCVIO when entering into this domain.
    
    As a workaround I removed the circuit definitions from map file.
    
    What has changed for Circuit between DECmcc T1.2.7. and DECmcc V1.2
    SSB?
    
    I have enclosed the output of "manage/ent show domain <dom> member
    <circuit> all char" command and the extract from map file.
    
    
Domain FNOMCC:.helsinki Member FNOMCC:.niity-inno 
AT 13-AUG-1992 12:43:09 Characteristics

Examination of attributes shows
                            Member Type = Static
                          Member Entity = 

Domain FNOMCC:.helsinki Member FNOMCC:.Niitty-Edu 
AT 13-AUG-1992 12:43:10 Characteristics

Examination of attributes shows
                            Member Type = Static
                          Member Entity = 
    
    
 object_type 16
   var 0
   width 0.022500
   start_x 1.526715 start_y 0.754989
   stop_x 1.699273 stop_y 0.921012
   text_x 1.526715 text_y 0.798499
   mcc_code 1004
   name   Niitty-Edu
   icon_name Niitty-Edu
   ident_dt 0

 object_type 16
   var 0
   width 0.022500
   start_x 1.526715 start_y 0.754989
   stop_x 1.595323 stop_y 1.018726
   text_x 1.398857 text_y 0.884778
   mcc_code 1004
   name   niity-inno
   icon_name niity-inno
   ident_dt 0

3490.10class code change. again.TOOK::MCPHERSONLife is hard. Play short.Thu Aug 13 1992 09:2222
>
>    What has changed for Circuit between DECmcc T1.2.7. and DECmcc V1.2 
>    SSB? 
> 

Answer: 

    The Circuit entity's Class Code changed to it's 'official' value' of 53 for
    the SSB kit.   Looking at your map file, it would appear that the class
    code for the Circuit object was "1004" as of T1.2.7.    If you look in DAP
    ($ mana/tool/dic) you'll see all the *real* class codes that DECmcc is
    expecting (and a lot of other arcana, if you're inclined to peek...)
      
    You see, people tend to send out FT versions of AMs without having
    registered *real* class codes; they just make one up and hope it's
    unique...    Once an AM goes to 'officially distributed' status, it *must*
    have a registered class code issued by the DECmcc registry.  This process
    ensures uniqueness among all the codes that can be used by DECmcc to
    identify object classes....
    

/doug
3490.11Add mcc_common to mcc_icons definitionQUIVER::HAROKOPUSThu Aug 13 1992 16:228
>    It seems that FDDI-stations icons are in mcc_common: directory.
>   I checked the versions and ELM AM and BMS are SSB versions.

The ELM installation procedure always puts the icons into mcc_common (as does
all of the MCC installation processes I believe).   If you add mcc_common to
your search path for mcc_icons then it should find the fddi-station icons.

Bob