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Title:DECmcc user notes file. Does not replace IPMT.
Notice:Use IPMT for problems. Newsletter location in note 6187
Moderator:TAEC::BEROUD
Created:Mon Aug 21 1989
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:6497
Total number of notes:27359

3369.0. "Unable to create Ethernet Entry for 80-38 on DECbridge 610, Please help!" by OSLAGE::AGE_P (Aage Ronning, Oslo, Norway, (DTN 872-0508)) Thu Jul 16 1992 11:02

A customer is setting up filter for all protocols, and then allowing 
all "DEC_protocols" afterwards. He is unable to do this for:

ETHERNET 80-38  (Bridge management)
SAP AA

A similar problem was reported in Mars this year on a DECbridge 500 in 
the RBMS_LANBRIDGE100 notes conference(524). 
It used to be a BUG in early versions on the LB200, but "should have been 
fixed". IT'S NOT!

Please provide a way to do this with DECmcc-ELM !

\Aage

PS. The reason for doing it this way, is Novell using SAP=AA ...
    (If I remember correctly)
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3369.1Why can't we set up forwarding for 80-38 on DECbridge 610?OSLACT::BJORNWoops, now I have to learn changing diper'sMon Jul 20 1992 07:0325
The problem described in .0 is as follows;

When creating an entry for the Bridge management protocol in the protocol 
database on a DECbridge 610, an error message is returned. When doing

MCC> USE BRIDGE .HSK.HDA.BOX.DB1 PROTOCOL DATABASE
MCC> CREATE ETHERNET ENTRY 80-38 DISPOSITION=FORWARD

the error message "management protocol error" is returned. 

The customer wants to set up default filtering for Ethernet, SAP and SNAP,
and then allow certain protocols to be forwarded. It seems fair to not touch
the 80-38 when setting up default forwarding but filter on some. But in this case
they want to do it the other way. 

The same message is returned when trying to CREATE SAP ENTRY AA.

Can anyone from the ELM group comment on this? The customer wants to implement
this now, but they will get a problem with remote management of their bridges.
They could use SNMP, but they prefer the ELM way of doing it, as they have been
using RBMS and DECelms before.

Any comments?

Bj�rn Olav Haugom
3369.2SLINK::CHILDSPractice passive aggression.Mon Jul 20 1992 17:2016
--> Please provide a way to do this with DECmcc-ELM !

    There is no way to accomplish what you want to do with DECmcc ELM (or
    any network management software).

    I tried to duplicate your problem with a DECbridge 620 and I did get
    the same error message.  The error is being returned by the agent
    software that is running on the bridge, it is not an error generated by
    DECmcc or the network management software.

    The agent is returning error code 133 which is "Invalid parameter
    value."  I can ask some of the bridge firmware/hardware developers for
    more details about why 80-38 and AA are invalid values.

    This is not a DECmcc issue, it's a bridge issue.  I will post the
    information I get from the DECbridge firmware engineers.
3369.3I'm the one who originally had this problem.OSLACT::BJORNWoops, now I have to learn changing diper'sTue Jul 21 1992 05:326
I hope the DECbridge firmware engineers come up with something real fast. If not,
we have a big problem in defending our guidelines given in the Bridge Access 
Module User manual, where we are informed that we really can filter all protocols
and forward a few. 

Bj�rn Olav Haugom
3369.4How can we set up default filtering and forward a few?OSLACT::BJORNWoops, now I have to learn changing diper'sThu Aug 27 1992 09:068
Any response from the DECbridge firmware engineers, yet?

The customer is now suffering from not being able to do remote management to his
DECbridges. 

Who must I talk to to get a patch or a new prom or something?

Bj�rn Olav
3369.5SLINK::CHILDSThe FringeWed Sep 02 1992 15:3910
    I posted this note in the bridge developers file and no response, so I
    contacted one of the engineers in person and here's what I got.

    Not being able to forward 80-38 protocol.  This is a known bug and will
    be fixed in the next release (field test in October, customer ship in
    December).

    AA protocol is a special type.  It will automatically forward even if
    all SAPs are set to filter, so you don't need to issue a command for
    it.
3369.6how does 80-38 get set to FILTER?SASE::RAUHALAThu Oct 01 1992 16:068
    If I understand this problem correctly, the "other" protocol types
    is being set to FILTER by the user, which causes 80-38 to be filtered,
    so they then SET 80-38 to FORWARD which fails, correct?
    
    Since 80-38 is normally forwarded, I can't see any other reason for
    wanting to set it to FORWARD.
    
    thanks.
3369.7you got it rightQUIVER::HAROKOPUSThu Oct 01 1992 16:1816
    re .6 
    
    Yes this is correct.   The user wants to filter most ethernet protocol
    types and forward just a few.  The easiest way to do this is to
    set the default ethernet protocol filtering to false and then
    set the disposition to forward on the individual ethernet protocols
    to be forwarded.
    
    The problem is that the firmware sets bridge managment 80-30 to
    filter when this is done.  It should never allow this to happen.
    The bridge firmware engineers know about this problem (they have
    received a customer CLD) and they are working on a fix.
    
    Regards,
            
    Bob