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Title:	DECmcc user notes file. Does not replace IPMT.
Notice:	Use IPMT for problems. Newsletter location in note 6187
Moderator:	TAEC::BEROUD

Created:	Mon Aug 21 1989
Last Modified:	Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:	6497
Total number of notes:	27359

3306.0. "access module rumors or reality?" by COL01::LUNT () Fri Jul 03 1992 10:04

    Hello,
    
    	I have questions concerning two products that are suppose
    to have contracts with digital for Access modules.
    
    The first is the German Company Hirschmann for their star coupler ( in
    German the product is called "sternkoppler) management card "mike".
    This card is manageable via SNMP and will be available in August along
    with the private mib extensions. In addition there is suppose to
    be an Access Module available. Does anyone anywhere have any
    information about this Access Module, i.e. when will it be available,
    what it has for a graphical presentation, does it take full advantage
    of the "mike" card, or will the first release only contain partial
    management capabilities? 
                                         
    The second is the "network quality analyzer"  from  Logic
    repllacement technology. This
    analyzer consists of an implant, and a  computer interface.
    There is suppose to be an interface to the implant that
    doesn't have any unser interface and there are rumors that there is an access module
    being written that talks with this pod. This  would be
    great. The implants are inexpensive, the pod costs about the same
    as     bridge, and then one can physically manage ones network
    from DECmcc and not have to buy the expensive computer. Does
    anyone anywhere know about this?
                                         
    
    
    Thanks,
    
    Julie Ann Lunt
    Networks and Communications, Cologne Germany

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3306.1	Hirschmann .	BONNET::MALAISE	All you need is laugh!	`Fri Jul 03 1992 14:36`	8
	Regarding Hirschmann get in touch with Frank Zilebor @fus DTN :772-4187 (Germany) , he contacted me today on this subject . Regards , MaRc
3306.2	The Hirschmann story...	BIKINI::KRAUSE	European NewProductEngineer for MCC	`Mon Jul 06 1992 03:50`	26
	Sorry to correct you, Marc, but the name is Frank Zelibor @SUS (he is the sales person dealing with Hirschmann). I'm still involved in this long winded 'project' as a technical consultant (in fact it was my idea to develop an AM for the Hirschmann hub). Status as of today: There is NO specific access module for the Hirschmann hub. They payed for a pre-study that has been done by DEC's local engineering in Munich (thanks to Helmut Schimmel). Now they are negotiating who is going to pay how much for the actual development. Don't hold your breath, I don't expect development to start very soon. Now for the good news: Since Hirschmann's hub management card "MIKE" talks SNMP we can use the TCP/IP SNMP AM to manage the hub. Hirschmann provides their MIB extension in standard format which can be loaded into MCC. [They got some problems with table indexes and they try to blame MCC on this, but I will sort this out soon :-] If you have further technical questions, call me. If you have non-technical questions, call Frank. Regards, *Robert
3306.3	any ideas on HP for Hirschmann?	COL01::LUNT		`Mon Jul 06 1992 09:08`	12
	Hi, Thanks for the info. One question though, An AM is not going to be developed in the short run, but does anyone know how the HP-open View integration will be? A graphical picture or also only SNMP and standard icons? I ask, because the MIKE card is being advertised as being managemable by both HP-Open View and DECmcc. It would be nice to be ahead of HP in a graphical interface to Hirschmann. Julie Ann
3306.4	Annecy is working on the POD	ANNECY::KIRKHAM	Pete Kirkham @AEO	`Tue Jul 07 1992 04:08`	12
	As far as I know the LRT system uses the same SINTROM POD that we are working on at the moment. This SINTROM (now called EIT) POD has an SNMP interface which we've tried but not yet really tested. If you want more details please contact me. We already have been offered a reasonable discount by EIT so if you want to buy one that would probably be worthwhile. Our aim is to integrate the POD into the DECmcc environment since although we can use the SNMP AM to get the data that doesn't help us when we want to display it in a meaniningful way. Pete
3306.5	HP-no, but MTI has	BIKINI::KRAUSE	European NewProductEngineer for MCC	`Tue Jul 07 1992 05:01`	20
	HP has no graphical picture, either. But they do a better job on SNMP management in general. E.g. their 'Application Builder' allows to define arbitrary groups of variables that will be shown with one request. This is similar to MCC's attribute groups, but these are not easily user-definable. There IS a front panel view for the Hirschmann hub integrated into MTI's SNMP management product (I forgot the name- LANCE? LANNET?). I saw it at CeBIT this year, running on a SUN IPX. The only real step ahead that I can see at the moment is the Hirschmann AM. A few notes back Dominique Pacco described what he did for the Chipcom hub. This is exactly what I want to have for Hirschmann. If you have a strong business case (BAYER?) EIC may invest some money in the project. Let's keep in touch, maybe we can do something to speed up the process. *Robert
3306.6	yes, a Hirschmann and other AM's are really needed	COL01::LUNT		`Fri Jul 10 1992 09:23`	25
	Hello Robert, yes, let's definitely keep in touch. BAYER will be evaluating network managment tools this fall. They will choose one tool for complete network management- SNA and DECnet/TCPIP world. They want to standardize the network management environment. SEcondly they then might choose a "subtool" if you will, to manage SNA and one to manage DECnet/TCPIP (the rest of the world ). Since we already are here with DECmcc, we have a good chance. Word is though, that in early fall HP will be demonstrating open view to BAYER. They may also look into other solutions. We have probably 20 hirschmann hubs already installed. I hope that many, atleast the central hubs, will be outfitted with the MIKE card. But the main reason that we need such AM's is to keep DECmcc as the standard here. And the better interfaces/AM's/FM's that we can provide, the better chance we will have. And provide on a timely basis. Julie Ann Networks and Communications, Cologne Germany @coo