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Title:DECmcc user notes file. Does not replace IPMT.
Notice:Use IPMT for problems. Newsletter location in note 6187
Moderator:TAEC::BEROUD
Created:Mon Aug 21 1989
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:6497
Total number of notes:27359

3091.0. "list of characteristics ?" by ISIDRO::MAMORENO () Thu May 28 1992 07:12

  I have to prepare a document with a some kind of "guidelines" for evaluation
of a Network Management Platform. I mean to write a list of characteristics 
that can differentiate our DECmcc ( as a development platform for Network 
Management Applications ) as the best solution in front of competitors (f.i.
OpenView, Netview, SunNet, Acumaster, etc.) as a path to the future with DME.

  I can imagine things like:

        OSF products allready available 
        Compromise to OSF technologies
        Compromise to TMN and Standard bodies
        OO technologies used
        Standards implemented (to be implemented)
        Distributed applications
        DCE technology used in corporate products (DECmcc uses it)
        Name services
        Telecom (and other industries) Applications developed (in develop)
            with DECmcc
        Digital technology used by OSF
        Digital technology used by DME (our APIs)         
        Why DECmcc is better than others
        Tools for development people
        Integration and interoperation with other applications (Digital or
            not Digital)
        Way to integrate and interoperate with old applications
        .....
        ......

  My problem is that I am not sure what is better or worst. Can anyone help
me ?  

- Miguel Angel
        
        
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3091.1DME document comingSKIBUM::GASSMANTue Jun 02 1992 08:2810
    There is a document being worked on that should be available later this
    week to point out how MCC fits with DME.  It will be posted in the
    ENUF::NETMGT notes file, and probably here as well.  The bottom line is
    that while there are a bunch of SNMP managers on the market (OPENview,
    SUN NETmanager, DECmcc MSU), DECmcc Director is the only one that
    addresses the broad issues that DME will address.  The DME specs are
    not out yet - won't be out till the end of the year, and DECmcc
    Director WILL integrate the DME API's into a future release.  
    
    bill
3091.2Digital's DME Strategy (vs. HP's)DELNI::FERREIRAWed Jun 10 1992 01:09392
Digital applauds OSF's preliminary release of the DME 
(Distribution Management Environment) architecture on  May 14th.
OSF is now doing a series of interviews with analysts and  press, stating:

	1 - DME will be delivered in 2 parts.  The 1st part will be a 
            Distributed Services release extending DCE to support 
            distributed management (Printing, installation, licensing etc.)
            which will be available 1st half of 1993, specifically June 30, 1993
	    The 2nd part of DME will be a Framework release, available 2nd 
            half of 1993, specifically December 31, 1993, including:

		   - the management framework and user interface
		   - development tools
  		   - a sample application

	2 - The first DME snapshot (unintegrated, unfinished from the 
            technology providers delivered to the OSF) was this month

	3 - OSF will be the DME integrator with assistance from developers
            from member companies

Digital's plan, then, is to use this OSF educational effort to 
kick off our efforts to counter the messages that other vendors 
"HAVE" DME today, or that they're "DME-compliant". To this end, 
we will conduct some follow up press and analyst interviews to 
hopefully get the following messages included in any press coverage 
of the OSF DME activities.  Feel free to share the information below 
with your customers, or to use the information in response to questions.


Digital's DME Strategy and Support for DME
------------------------------------------

1) Other vendors have claimed DME-compliance, but it is now clear that the 
   DME integration process will dramatically change much of the technology sub-
   mitted to OSF.  Actual compliance can occur only after OSF develops 
   the DME compliance tests in December 1993, which is obviously
   subsequent to the DME specifications availability, due 11/92.

   Digital will be DME compliant based on these specifications and tests.

2) Digital will evolve DECmcc and other EMA products to become DME-compliant.
   This will include implementing the OSF DME API's (both OMG CORBA and XMP)
   starting immediately and will include other elements of the DME over time.
   (See next item on APIs.)

3) Digital is pleased that the foundation of the OSF DME architecture 
   is the use of the OMG CORBA interface.  This API must be used by management 
   applications to access the objects (devices, resources, services) managed 
   by DME.  The OMG CORBA (Object Management Group  - Common Object Request 
   Broker Architecture) is an object-oriented programming interface for 
   which the first commercially available product is Digital's ACA Services 
   (Application Control Architecture) product, which started shipping 
   in 1991.  Digital made a significant contribution to the development 
   of OMG CORBA, and ACA Services is used extensively in a variety of 
   products in CIM and CASE.  Work is already underway to implement the 
   OMG CORBA interface in DECmcc.

4) DECmcc is the only integrated network and system management platform 
   available today, providing the same broad solution that DME is envisioned 
   to provide.  DECmcc's current object oriented infrastructure supports 
   SNMP, CMIP, and many other management protocols, which allows it to
   become fully OSF DME compliant more easily than anticipated.   Most 
   other vendors products are focused only on SNMP management and will 
   require significant modifications to become fully OSF DME compliant.

EMA and DME Compatibility
-------------------------
We are pleased that the DME is a resounding endorsement of Digital's 
Enterprise Management Architecture, and the DECmcc implementation.
OSF's approach to the DME is consistent with concepts pioneered 
by EMA and DECmcc during the late 1980s, including:

	. Integration of System and Network Management 
	. Separation of the management system components into
	  managed resource, management framework & management applications.
        . Object-oriented techniques to describe and implement management
          interfaces  to managed objects.
	. Use of platform-, protocol-, location-independant interfaces
	  between management applications and managed resources.
	. Use of dynamic binding model for communications between 
	  applications and managed resources.
	. Use of underlying services, such as DCE, supporting the framework
	. Use of a interface specification language to populate a management
          dictionary of the objects in the managed environment.
	. Support for multiple (standard and proprietary) management
          protocols, including both SNMP and CMIP 

Now its known how the DME will be created from the MANY overlapping 
technologies and APIs that it had accepted.  Digital can now
formulate specific plans on how it will integrate the DME's
concepts and technologies into the EMA/Polycenter program.
Digital still holds to its promise to implement a DME-compliant product 
within 6 months of DME availability, and hopefully much sooner.  
It's now apparent that the DME will involve considerable new development 
based on the selected technologies, rather than merely cutting and pasting 
them together.  For example, the core of the DME, WizDOM technology 
from Tivoli Systems, must be ported onto DCE services, given a new API 
based on the OMG CORBA interface , and will require a new compiler for 
object definitions conformant to the new DME object model.

The object-oriented infrastructure is key to DME.  For example, the 
common, graphical Management User Interface (MUI) will be implemented 
as objects, and will not be accessible through the XMP API, a low-level API
that is also in the DME.  It is the key object-oriented API, OMG CORBA, 
that was selected for DME, and was endorsed by X/Open and the NMF (Network 
Management Forum).  This API is based on Digital's ACA Services product, which
is shipping today.  Therefore, Digital will move quickly to implement 
the object-oriented API as the high-level API for applications, as well as
implement the lower-level XMP API.

Digital's DECmcc product will support the OMG CORBA interfaces, providing 
access to the underlying object-oriented structure.  Since much of the 
object-oriented technology is available in DECmcc today, DECmcc is
well positioned to become Digital's DME product offering.   Digital 
is implementing this API in DECmcc and will subsequently offer all
DME capabilities.  This will provide an excellent open interface 
to the underlying object-oriented structure of DECmcc.

DECmcc Provides Fullest DME-comparable Functionality TODAY
----------------------------------------------------------
Digital remains fully committed to supporting the DME, as with all the 
other OSF programs.  Digital will be DME compliant and expect to 
get there faster than anyone else.  However with availability of the 
DME framework and conformance tests from OSF over 18 months away, 
DECmcc in the interim, offers an extremely viable product that:

	. Is migrating immediately to SUPPORT DME APIs, in addition to 
          existing DECmcc APIs
	. Offers generic (self extending, object independent) applications 
          in DECmcc (E.g. Forms and GUI Presentations styles; Alarms, 
          Notification, Historian Exporter, and Domain functions, and 
          access to SNMP and CMIP)
	. Allows management of a large number of legacy and element management 
          systems, now including SNA management via NETview or NETmaster

Thus, DECmcc offers the best of the OSF DME today, and the
broad scope and functionality of DECmcc to do Enterprise Management.
Why not use the only one product available today that comes
close to being what the DME promises to be ?  DECmcc !

For Further Information:

    The following documents are available by contacting
    Marijane (TOOK::) Beaudet, DTN 226-5380:

		. A presentation of Digital's DME strategy (5 slides)
		. The OSF DME Architecture (50 Page document)
		. The OSF DME Architecture Presentation (35 slides - 2up/page)
                . The XMP API specification (300 pages)
                . The OMG CORBA specification/information 


FOR INTERNAL PURPOSES ONLY: BACKGROUNDER ON HP Messages/OpenView


A few responses to HP's comments:

. HP products cannot "support the DME" or be "DME compliant" 
  for at least 18 months - no conformance tests exist or even detailed 
  specifications on what DME is !!!!
 
. Over the three phases of OpenView announced, HP has said:

  OpenView Management Platform 3.0 includes a DME GUI
  This obviously can't be a DME-compliant GUI, as no specification 
  exists, nor does HP use the Dialog Specification Language 
  to be used in DME to specify management application interactions with the GUI.

  Release 3.1, will include the "Common Management API specified by the DME".
  But CM API is NOT specified in the DME.  XMP is included in the DME,
  which is an enhanced X/OPEN Version of CM API, and will become the 
  low-level API in the DME (e.g. applications cannot access the GUI 
  through the XMP API).

  Release 3.2, will support OSI's Common Management Information 
  Protocol. CMIP is also in DME, and CMIP (DECnet) has been in DECmcc 
  for 2 releases!   Digital is pleased HP is finally supporting it,
  and subsequently, looks forward to their support of CMIP over OSI.
 
. HP's statements like "OpenView 3.0 is the first product to be 
  available that is based on OSF DME technology", can be addressed
  by stating that:

	Openview is not BASED on DME technology, 

	DME is based on SOME OpenView technology for NETWORK management:
	  -- the low-level interface to the network objects to be managed 
          -- but to display these objects on the DME GUI requires 
             the OMB ORB API.

. HP's OpenView marketing is stating they're the 
  fast/smooth path to the DME, but, with every component (API, 
  GUI, agent code, etc.) changing dramatically, HP's Engineering
  Manager told me they're worried HOW they can do that !
  Ex. Northeast Consulting Resources Principal, James Herman, 
  said, "The DME is the only standards game in town in this area 
  and HP has crafted a very ambitious plan.  Digital will be 
  providing the same comprehensive product plan to support it."  

. If anything, Digital will have a much easier job migrating DECmcc to
  to DME compliance than HP will have migrating OpenView, for the following
  reasons:
	Most DME concepts are derived from EMA and DECmcc - see list above
	Digital was a primary source of the OMG CORBA interface
	DECmcc is already object oriented and multiprotocol; all Digital has
	  to do is change APIs rather than completely redesign the
	  infrastructure.

. Digital has also contributed substantially to the underlying 
  standards in this area, including X/Open, OMG Object Model 
  and the developing System Management Object Model, 
  OSF Management SIG and POSIX 1003.7 System Administration. 

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            DECmcc Commitment to DME is greater than HP Openview !
________________________________________________________________________________

Comparison of Offerings to DME

Components      HP Openview         OSF_DME                DECmcc

Common GUI      Announced V3.0      No Definition of       Includes Common GUI
                will include        GUI available          MOTIF GUI in
                "DME-compliant"     except that it'll use   field test
                                    MOTIF 


                Expected Ship:      Expected Availability  Will be DME-compliant
                June 15             of DME Specification:  within 6 months
                                    11/92                  of compliance test
                                                           availability

                                    Compliance tests       Will be DME-compliant
                                    to be available        within 6 months
                                    12/93                  of availability
                                                           from OSF

XMP          Uses CM-API (from      Includes as low-       Already accesses  
             which XMP derived)     level interface for    SNMP, CMIP, & other/
                                    access to SNMP/CMIP    legacy protocols
							   Will include XMP also

                                    Expected Availabil     Will use and be
                                    ity of DME Spec-       DME-compliant
                                    ification: 11/92

                                    Compliance tests       Will be DME-compliant
                                    to be available 12     within 6 months
                                    /93                    of availability
                                                           from OSF

Object-oriented No time frame       High-level API for     Already includes
Interface       specified           applications and       oo infrastructure.
Required                            interface to GUI       
to use DME GUI.                                            

                                    Expected Availabil-    Will ship with 
                                    ity of DME Spec-       OMG CORBA interface
                                    ification: 11/92       next year

                                    Compliance tests       Will be DME-compliant
                                    to be available 12     within 6 months
                                    /93                    of availability
                                                           from OSF

SNMP Support    Included since      Will include in        Included since 
                '90                 12/93 Availability     '90

CMIP Support    Will include Q393   Will include 12/93     Included since 
                over IP ONLY (no OSI)                      4/91 over DECnet

Platforms       Runs on HP-UX, DOS  OSF/1 only from OSF    On VMS, Ultrix,
Supported       (UI), Sun/OS, AIX                          System V; Others
                                                           to follow including
							   OSF/1

Multivendor  Launch many appli-     Constrained to platforms Launch many ap-
/Openness   cations; Lots MIBs      with OSF/DCE             plications; Any
                                                             MIB can be com-
                                                             piled and included

Breadth of   Network Management     None; enabling          Network, System,
Applications   some Systems "       Technology ONLY         Security, Perfor-
                                                            mance Management,
                                                            plus Capacity Plan-
                                                            ning

Experience   ?                      Doing Development       Proven Investment
                                    /Integration with       Protection for SW
                                    new team at OSF



BACKGROUND Q & A: FOR INTERNAL DIGITAL USE ONLY


1) When will Digital incorporate the OMG CORBA interface into DECmcc?  
   And can you tell me more about it ?

   Efforts have already started, but certainly can't be
   completed prior to availability of the API specifications
   expected 11/92 at the earliest.  

   ACA is a NAS service that uses a flexible, object-oriented paradigm to
   define the interaction, communication and flow control of independently 
   developed applications across different computing environments, including 
   different hardware platforms, different operating systems and across 
   multi-vendor networks. ACA Services, for example, supports MS-Windows,
   and runs on Sun SPARCstation platforms.
    
2) Will Digital support a DME management product on MIPS ULTRIX?

   Yes, it is likely that DECmcc will increasingly become
   fully DME compliant on all platforms supported, which will still
   include MIPS ULTRIX.

3) What is the timetable for supporting the management applications
	that go along with DME such as print, license, and PC services?

   The "Services" are extensions to the DCE, and aren't management
   applications (as far as what OSF is calling them).  As previously
   committed, they will ship within 6 months of availability.

4) HP claims that their GUI has been accepted by OSF.  Will Digital
	adopt HP's GUI, or what ever DME finally decides on?

   OSF DME includes technology from HP to create the DME GUI, but
   the DME GUI will include DSL (Dialog Sepcification Language) to 
   display objects on the GUI.  DSL is Tivoli technology and isn't
   in Openview, nor has HP given a date for its inclusion.

5) Previous statements from Digital seem to indicate that there would be two
   platforms.  One that was strictly DME, the other would be MCC with
   DME aspects.  Does this announcement reflect a change in strategy?

   This is definately different.  Now that OSF has released more details 
   of their, we can now announce how DECmcc and EMA will evolve to 
   become DME-compliant.
       

6) Will Digital expose a SNMP API for application writers, and will the
   CM-API or XMP API be exposed in the MCC/DME product?

   We already have an SNMP API - ie. mcc_call - which can be used
   now and in the future by applications writers!
   And yes, XMP will be available to those applications that desire it.

7) What support will Digital give a vendor who wants to port their UNIX
   based application to DECmcc?  Are there guidelines?

   Guidelines will be prepared this year, as well a facility to 
   launch applications from the DECmcc GUI in the same fashion as
   other products, including Digital's MSU do today.

8) Did Digital receive the DME snapshot that was just released?  What 
   is being done with it?

   Digital is evaluating the DME Architecture, the component technology,
   but hasn't yet needed nor purchased the first snapshot - we're
   waiting until it's ported to OSF/1 and usable for our evaluation purposes.

9) When will OSI compliant CMIP be available on DECmcc?

   We have CMIP (for DECNet/OSI - Phase V).  We are working on one 
   that is NMF compliant and conforming to the new ISPs that are 
   currently being finalised.

10) What if any work is Digital doing with OSF to help DME come to market
	faster?

    Digital is working with the DME to provide architectural and development
    assistance.  

11) What was Digital's contribution to the OMG CORBA/ORB interface, and what 
    products from Digital make use of the ACA Services API today?


     Digital was a major contributor to the CORBA effort. We provided 
     the Dynamic model, including run time recognition of new methods 
     and operations, the dynamic invocation interface, context objects, 
     and, in conjunction with Hyperdesk, the interface repository and 
     implementation repository.    

12. Does the current ACA Services product conform to the CORBA 
    Specification which has been adopted by the OMG membership?
    
    Yes. We support the dynamic API fully at this time. We will provide
    support for the static API in the future.