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Title:DECmcc user notes file. Does not replace IPMT.
Notice:Use IPMT for problems. Newsletter location in note 6187
Moderator:TAEC::BEROUD
Created:Mon Aug 21 1989
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:6497
Total number of notes:27359

2403.0. "Feedback on manageing CHIPCOM's ONline Syst. Conc." by KETJE::PACCO () Mon Feb 24 1992 14:40

    A lot has been said already about the manageability of Chipcom's ONline
    System Concentrator.  I always have found it difficult to persuade
    customers which have this equipment to use DECmcc to manage it. 
    Therefore I would like to ask the field for feedback, and for hints.
    Several notes refers to Chipcom in ths notes conference.  For your
    convenience I list thse here: 762,1289,1324,1615,2228,2288,2348.
    
    May I ask to the field people who have success
    stories to tell about the management of Chipcom's ONline System
    Concentrator with DECmcc to put their names down here.
    
    Eventually, are there negative stories about the use of the SNMP access
    module for that purpose?
    In this last case, I would like feedback what customers expect from
    DECmcc to manage their equipment.  Would a specific AM be more useful?
    I am thinking to start developement in that direction.
    
    	Regards,
    	Dominique.
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2403.1Chipcom is working on itBIKINI::KRAUSEEuropean NewProductEngineer for MCCWed Mar 25 1992 08:0410
>    Would a specific AM be more useful?
>    I am thinking to start developement in that direction.

As far as I know Chipcom is already developing an AM for their hub.
Maybe one of the SVP people can confirm this.

Chipcom also thinks about restructuring their MIB to make it easier to
use. I don't know any dates, though.

*Robert
2403.2A vote for SNMP vs native ChipcomGLDOA::MORRISONDaveWed Apr 01 1992 00:263
    One thing is certain. Chipcom's own hub management product is fraught
    with problems. My customer prefers what he has seen of managing Chipcom
    with SNMP on MCC vs the Chipcom product.
2403.3TOOK::R_SPENCENets don't fail me now...Mon Apr 06 1992 14:113
    Gee, that's good news :-)
    
    s/rob
2403.4NCS versus SNMP AM ?BRSSWS::FOLENSTue Apr 07 1992 10:3120
    re .2
    
    >One thing is certain. Chipcom's own hub management product is fraught
    >with problems. My customer prefers what he has seen of managing Chipcom
    >with SNMP on MCC vs the Chipcom product.
    
    Do you mean that you're customer doesn't like the Chipcom's NCS
    management station? 
    If we could implement in DECmcc the functions that you can do with the
    NCS station concerning the ONline concentrator then we would have a
    great product. But for the moment we can only dream of this.
    My collegeau, the orginator of this discussion is busy to adapt the
    MIB of Chipcom to get some more functionality in it. And via this note
    entry we wanted to know if there's some interest for it. I'm sure that
    a lot of these concentrator boxes are installed at our customer sites
    and those customers want to manage these boxes in a simple way.
    So if there's enough demand for it, we can put some effort to get it
    work in the right way and then we could make it available to our
    customers $$$$$.
    -Geert-
2403.5New Chipcom agent will soon be available.CUJO::HILLDan Hill-Net.Mgt.-Customer ResidentThu Apr 09 1992 00:409
    My customer has taken a keen interest in Chipcom products, as of late. 
    He is not pleased with the agent provided.  He is working on getting a
    new agent (soon to be available from Chipcom).
    
    Any added value we can provide will always be viewed favorably by
    customers.  Have you any information on new management module agent
    developments from Chipcom?
    
    -Dan
2403.6In France too...BALZAC::COULONEven if it works, ask whyThu Apr 09 1992 10:1023
 If we do want to manage "complex" entities from MCC, then we have to provide a
very friendly user interface. You just cannot manage things using "attributes"
like "THiSaTtRIBuTEiSnOTtHaTeASYtOrEaD"... Operators (customers) need (want)
something like the NCS product, something like the "Look into" option of the
IMPM but more powerful, with less clicks and more "sexy" (What You See is What
You Have). 

 To come back to Chipcom, we really need a solution here in France for some 
fairly large customers (Peugeot...). 

 1. Can we have a CLEAR status of what's going on with Chipcom, who  is doing
 (or not doing) WHAT, WHEN and WHERE (anything in Europe?)? Is  Chipcom really
 working on a new module? What about the DEC HUB? 
 
 2. Is it possible to "translate" MIB attributes before displaying them? For
 example, "chipGenFepromvers" could be displayed as "PROM Version". This would
 make the SNMP AM "usable" to manage Chipcom (SNMP) entities. Any way to do 
 this?

 Regards,

 Serge	
2403.7New names for SNMP Attributes...CHRISB::BRIENENDECmcc LAN and SNMP Stuff...Thu Apr 09 1992 10:3621
> 2. Is it possible to "translate" MIB attributes before displaying them? For
> example, "chipGenFepromvers" could be displayed as "PROM Version". This would
> make the SNMP AM "usable" to manage Chipcom (SNMP) entities. Any way to do 
> this?

 DECmcc takes the names contained in the Vendor's MIB(s) and uses these
 as presentation names. The example you give in the base note is
 EXCELLENT ("THiSaTtRIBuTEiSnOTtHaTeASYtOrEaD")...

 (Almost) nothing prevents you from editing the MIB (or MS created from
 the MIB) to change the object/attribute names.

 The caveats include:

	1. Documentation/maintenance headaches (what if vendor releases a new
            MIB, what if "something goes wrong", etc)
	2. MCC Syntax rules (e.g. uniqueness of names, etc)

 Hope this helps,

 Chris
2403.8See not 1721 for more on chipcomDANZO::CARRMon Apr 13 1992 16:362
Note 1721 also addresses some of the concerns regarding managing chipcom online
hubs...