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Title:DECmcc user notes file. Does not replace IPMT.
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Created:Mon Aug 21 1989
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
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2377.0. "Implementing a multi-director solution" by WOTVAX::PURNELLR ( Life, it's not what I thought it was !) Thu Feb 20 1992 05:30

    
    I am currently working on a project here in the U.K. with a customer 
    supporting a large DECnet network consisting of 13 LAN's connected with 
    WAN links. The need is to manage the network from a central group, we 
    are looking at distributed directors (expecting to see director <--> 
    director relationship in later versions V2.0 ?). 
    
    This is likely to leave us with 13 DECmcc systems covering a total of 
    3200 devices ,up to the DECserver (20% of devices WAN manageable, 
    excluding SNMP devices). Each DECmcc director will host anything from 
    120 - 700 entities with one central director scaled to have the ability 
    to cover all WAN responsibilities (640 entities).
    
    Alarming will be distributed combining polling & events this may 
    involve 1000-2000 alarms across the network with existing alarming 
    functions. WAN devices we can centralise and hopefully hold event 
    driven. 
    
    The main issue here is for the short term (pre V2.0) how can the 
    reporting/notification of alarms be consolidated to a single 
    presentation ?
    
    Rather than have each director fire its own MAP & Notification window 
    into the respective support group, does V1.2 have the functionality to 
    RELIABLE report alarms to a SINGLE director, hence allowing a single 
    presentation of alarms via MAP & Notification window. 
    
    With V1.2 could a remote director upon detecting an alarm, fire a 
    procedure over a wan link to update a notification on a central 
    director which then relays that information via Iconic Map or 
    Notification window to a support group ?
    
    The customer understands for control of LAN devices, a connection to 
    the remote director is required. We simply want a single presentation 
    of Notifications/Alarms not a display from each individual director.
    
    Should these notifications proliferate through to a central display, 
    how can they be governed ? 
    
    We have a multiple operator environment, does one operator deleting the 
    notification from their display, delete it for all others ? 
    
    Is there a method of centrally controlling the notifications ?
    
    Is any form of trouble ticketing available in the short-term, or are we 
    talking V2.0 ?
    
    These are questions we need to answer for the ITT, the customer has 
    trialed V1.1 BMS plus access modules, they are now trialing T1.2.4 BMS 
    for functionality test. To date they are happy, and they wish to put in 
    place a very sizeable operations structure, using DECmcc but also 
    nurturing a multi-vendor director environment. 
    
    I am looking for some technical answers to the above, but also 
    practical ones as we a looking for a deliverable & supportable 
    solution. Also to find out if anyone (customer or internal) is 
    supporting a comparable environment with DECmcc BMS.
    
    &*(
    
    Rex
    
    
    
    
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2377.1how about GETEVENT and Data CollectorSUBWAY::REILLYMike Reilly - New York Bank DistrictThu Feb 20 1992 13:249
    I am interested in this problem as well, a possible solution would
    be to read the notification events from the new notificatuion log
    file and then use the DATA COLLECTOR AM to send the events to a
    central MCC director. Would this work? You could also write a
    callable MCC routine that makes a GETEVENT call to get all the events
    from the system and then make the DC calls.
    
    _ Mike
    
2377.2Alarms firing MCC_SEND_EVENTICS::WOODCOCKThu Feb 20 1992 16:038
Although reliability has yet to be tested the Data Collector should be an
option. If you have 'local' mcc's firing alarms you should be able to
add into the alarms_procedure a simple call to the Data Collector to send
an event to the 'central' mcc.

just a thought,
brad...    

2377.3send event will workTOOK::CALLANDERMCC = My Constant CompanionWed Mar 11 1992 16:407
    that will will (DC AM) see the new sample program Jean
    put in (thanks Doug). You can set this up real easy
    from an alarm rule, or send the data from the log
    file. If you get it working it would be great it you
    posted how you did it.
    
    
2377.4Seems straightforward enough...TOOK::MCPHERSONSave a tree: kill an ISO working group.Thu Mar 12 1992 09:09110
Hi Rex. I should've piped up earlier, but Mssrs Woodcock and Reilly seem to
have the right solution for you...

>    The main issue here is for the short term (pre V2.0) how can the 
>    reporting/notification of alarms be consolidated to a single 
>    presentation ?

Per previous suggestions: you can pretty easily create alarm rules and use
the mcc_evc_send (Data Collector sample 'send' code) to generate a Data
Collector event based on the alarm data, then 'sink' the event(s) to the
central management system.

>    Rather than have each director fire its own MAP & Notification window 
>    into the respective support group, does V1.2 have the functionality to 
>    RELIABLE report alarms to a SINGLE director, hence allowing a single 
>    presentation of alarms via MAP & Notification window. 

Does this mean the the 'remote' DECmcc systems wouldn't really event need to
be workstations?  I.e. you could just plunk down a box on the customer net
with just a terminal & maybe a high-speed modem for remote terminal access
(sorta like the Digital Service Processor model I remember from a few years
back...?).   If so then your cost for the remote hardware goes way down...
If you don't want them to run the IMPM et al, then you don't need any fancy
graphics hardware on them...
    
>    With V1.2 could a remote director upon detecting an alarm, fire a 
>    procedure over a wan link to update a notification on a central 
>    director which then relays that information via Iconic Map or 
>    Notification window to a support group ?

Yes. Absolutely.  You just gotta know how to plug the 'gazoutas' into the
'gazintas'...   ;^)   Again, the most expedient way to accomplish this (i.e.
without coding up any tricky MMs) is to use the example data collector
application 'as is' from alarm fired procedures to sink events.

Additionally, you have the freedom with the Data Collector Event Name
argument to even include a keyword that indicates which site or LAN (or
whatever) the Data Collector event came from; then at the 'Central Grand
Kahuna DECmcc World Domination System' you can use notification services
filters to weed out display of events from different sites, if you need...
Neato, huh?
    
>    The customer understands for control of LAN devices, a connection to 
>    the remote director is required. We simply want a single presentation 
>    of Notifications/Alarms not a display from each individual director.

DECmcc gives you the freedom to do either!  Neato, too.

       As a sidebar: market intelligence (?oxymoron? ;^)  ) is sending us
       the message that customers aren't really looking for 'freedom to
       choose' as much as they are 'ease of use out of the box'.   Believe
       me, engineering is listening and as soon as they can dig out from
       under the 1.2 deadlines I'm sure you'll start to see much more
       happening in that area, too...
    
>    Should these notifications proliferate through to a central display, 
>    how can they be governed ? 

I don't understand what you mean by being "governed"...  Are you familiar
with the features of the Notification Services PM (new for 1.2) ? 
    
>    We have a multiple operator environment, does one operator deleting the 
>    notification from their display, delete it for all others ? 

Sorry, but you can't.  Once a notification has been received, you can't
'undo' it.  If you' re logging the events, then they're in  the logfile
already.   If, by 'delete the notification' you mean deleting if from the
Notification Services event window, then that ONLY affects the notfication
PM on the workstation that received the event.
    
>    Is there a method of centrally controlling the notifications ?
>    

Again, please be more specific about what you mean by 'controlling the
notifications'...

>    Is any form of trouble ticketing available in the short-term, or are we 
>    talking V2.0 ?

None in the 1.2 timeframe.  TNMP is working on something for the 2.0
timeframe.   If you have near term requirements, we are working with
vendors who hhave applications in that area such as Target Systems'
"Target->Hotline" and UIS's "HelpLine".    We havev established a good
relationship with Target Systems and have been able to demonstrate some
useful integration of their "Hotline" trouble ticketing application with
DECmcc. (See notes about trouble ticketing elsewhere in this conference...)
    
>    I am looking for some technical answers to the above, but also 
>    practical ones as we a looking for a deliverable & supportable 
>    solution. Also to find out if anyone (customer or internal) is 
>    supporting a comparable environment with DECmcc BMS.
    
Good luck with ITT.  Sounds promising.  I think you can do what you want
using the methods proposed in this and previous replies.

regards
/doug

    
    Rex
    
    
    
    


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2377.5One step closer.....WOTVAX::PURNELLR Life, it&#039;s not what I thought it was !Mon Mar 30 1992 04:2137
    
    DOUG et all....
    
    Thanks for your replies. As ever the funds available to the customer
    has shrunk the state of this particular bid.......but this is how it
    now shapes.
    
    We are looking to use DECmcc/Ultrix and the UDMT product, plus some
    'enhancements' from the OSEC in Manchester (UK).
    
    We will have initially 3 directors, 1 central to receive the hub of
    notifications which will be passed using the 2 remote directors. To do
    this remote alarms are passing information via the data collector am on
    the central director.
    
    Several UDMT's remote agents running on Personnel DECstations will sit
    on each LAN polling local ethernet devices for availability. We are
    hoping for modifications to the 'standard' UDMT remote agent here so a
    poll of a terminal server not only tells you the device is powered but
    software operational as well.
    
    The OSEC are looking into offering SNANCP info from a SNAG, DTE info
    from an X25 G/W and maybe info from an ICL G/W to the users with
    modified UDMT or DECmcc modules.
    
    We are also investigating passing info from DCMx to DECmcc and DECmcc
    to CHOx to facilitate further needs.
    
    If succesful the customer is going to grow this configuration
    throughout all of his UK network. 
    
    Regards,
    
    Rex