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Title:DECmcc user notes file. Does not replace IPMT.
Notice:Use IPMT for problems. Newsletter location in note 6187
Moderator:TAEC::BEROUD
Created:Mon Aug 21 1989
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:6497
Total number of notes:27359

2328.0. "PC Registration: Insufficient resources at remote node" by YUPPY::HEPWORTH () Wed Feb 12 1992 11:56

    
    This note has been cross-posted in the PATHWORKS conference, any help
    appreciated.
    
    Thanks 
    
    Bev...
    
              <<< RANGER::$2$DUA8:[NOTES$LIBRARY]PWDOS4.NOTE;1 >>>
                         -< PATHWORKS for DOS/VMS 4.X >-
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Note 1871.0           Insufficient resources at remote node              1 reply
YUPPY::HEPWORTH                                      17 lines  12-FEB-1992 11:31
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    I have a two PCs running PATHWORKS for DOS 4.1 on Token Ring, with a
    4100+ connecting the TR to Ethernet.  Both PCs are running NML.  From
    NCP on a VAXstation on the ethernet, I can do NCP> tell pc show exec
    char, etc.  
    
    I then try to register the PC as a DECnet node in DECmcc. This fails
    with the error message Insufficient resources at target entity.  If I
    then try the NCP> tell pc show exec command again, this then fails with
    the error message Unable to connect to listener, insufficient resources
    at remote node.
    
    The questions are:  What resources are being used up, and is it
    possible to get around this problem?
    
    Thanks in advance,
    
    Bev...
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Note 1871.1           Insufficient resources at remote node               1 of 1
YUPPY::HEPWORTH                                       4 lines  12-FEB-1992 11:50
                                 -< more info >-
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    BTW, we have the same problem with PCs connected to Ethernet (no Token Ring
    involved at all) ie insufficient resources at remote node.
    
                        
    
    
    
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2328.1It is in the PCTOOK::R_SPENCENets don&#039;t fail me now...Wed Feb 12 1992 13:0811
    Bear with me. I don't know much about PCs so don't know what the
    current versions of software are, but, I do remember this problem
    showing up last summer and I believe the DECnet DOS folks traced it
    to a bug in NML on the PC (it might have been another componant - it
    was a long while ago - but was a DECnet DOS problem).
    
    The problem was that it didn't deallocate stuff correctly when it
    cleaned up after an attempt by MCC to open multiple logical links
    and after that the PC wouldn't let any get opened.
    
    s/rob
2328.2has DNA4 AM changed a bit w/1.2 also?TOOK::MCPHERSONScientific progress goes &#039;Boink!&#039;Wed Feb 12 1992 13:136
Also, are the probs referenced in .0 based on DECmcc V1.1 (or earlier) ?

I seem to remember something about the DNA4 AM being changed somewhat w/1.2 to
better accomodate resource-scarce entities (i.e. DECrouters and PCs).   Or was
that a flashback?  ;^)
/doug
2328.3pb appear only on PWKS 4.1CLPR01::LOUISThu Feb 27 1992 12:2418
    
    
    	Hi,
    
    
    	The problem appear only with Pathwork 4.1. We try Pathwork 4.0,
    	with the same pc (DECstation 325) and the registration was successfull.
    	The problem is the same with DECmcc FT1.2.
    
    	Does any body have more informations about this problem ?
    
    	I suppose that pb come from NML on PWKS 4.1 ..?..but is it sure ?
      
    	Tank's
    
    
    	yves
    
2328.4DECmcc/DNA4 AM and DECnet/DOS for PCZTOIS1::VISTARenato VISTA, SIS Strasbourg, FranceMon Mar 09 1992 09:41125
    

    Hello,
    
    

I'm working on an EMA/DECmcc V1.1 for VMS and I want to manage DECstations via 
DECnet IV Access Module.

Althought NML object has been installed, I've got the same problem as
described in MCC notes as following but I've not found any solution nor patch
to run DECnet IV AM correctly with DECstations.

Have you got any idea about that problem (Insuffisant resources on target
entity i.e. DECstation 325 + DECnet) ?

Thank you very much for your help !


Renato VISTA




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            <<< NOTED::DISK$NOTES4:[NOTES$LIBRARY_4OF5]MCC.NOTE;1 >>>
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Note 2328.0  PC Registration: Insufficient resources at remote node    3 replies
YUPPY::HEPWORTH                                      43 lines  12-FEB-1992 11:56
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    This note has been cross-posted in the PATHWORKS conference, any help
    appreciated.
    
    Thanks 
    
    Bev...
    
              <<< RANGER::$2$DUA8:[NOTES$LIBRARY]PWDOS4.NOTE;1 >>>
                         -< PATHWORKS for DOS/VMS 4.X >-
================================================================================
Note 1871.0           Insufficient resources at remote node              1 reply
YUPPY::HEPWORTH                                      17 lines  12-FEB-1992 11:31
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    I have a two PCs running PATHWORKS for DOS 4.1 on Token Ring, with a
    4100+ connecting the TR to Ethernet.  Both PCs are running NML.  From
    NCP on a VAXstation on the ethernet, I can do NCP> tell pc show exec
    char, etc.  
    
    I then try to register the PC as a DECnet node in DECmcc. This fails
    with the error message Insufficient resources at target entity.  If I
    then try the NCP> tell pc show exec command again, this then fails with
    the error message Unable to connect to listener, insufficient resources
    at remote node.
    
    The questions are:  What resources are being used up, and is it
    possible to get around this problem?
    
    Thanks in advance,
    
    Bev...
================================================================================
Note 1871.1           Insufficient resources at remote node               1 of 1
YUPPY::HEPWORTH                                       4 lines  12-FEB-1992 11:50
                                 -< more info >-
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    BTW, we have the same problem with PCs connected to Ethernet (no Token Ring
    involved at all) ie insufficient resources at remote node.
    
                        
    
    
    
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Note 2328.1  PC Registration: Insufficient resources at remote node       1 of 3
TOOK::R_SPENCE "Nets don't fail me now..."           11 lines  12-FEB-1992 13:08
                              -< It is in the PC >-
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    Bear with me. I don't know much about PCs so don't know what the
    current versions of software are, but, I do remember this problem
    showing up last summer and I believe the DECnet DOS folks traced it
    to a bug in NML on the PC (it might have been another componant - it
    was a long while ago - but was a DECnet DOS problem).
    
    The problem was that it didn't deallocate stuff correctly when it
    cleaned up after an attempt by MCC to open multiple logical links
    and after that the PC wouldn't let any get opened.
    
    s/rob
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Note 2328.2  PC Registration: Insufficient resources at remote node       2 of 3
TOOK::MCPHERSON "Scientific progress goes 'Boink!'"   6 lines  12-FEB-1992 13:13
                   -< has DNA4 AM changed a bit w/1.2 also? >-
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Also, are the probs referenced in .0 based on DECmcc V1.1 (or earlier) ?

I seem to remember something about the DNA4 AM being changed somewhat w/1.2 to
better accomodate resource-scarce entities (i.e. DECrouters and PCs).   Or was
that a flashback?  ;^)
/doug
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Note 2328.3  PC Registration: Insufficient resources at remote node       3 of 3
CLPR01::LOUIS                                        18 lines  27-FEB-1992 12:24
                        -< pb appear only on PWKS 4.1 >-
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    	Hi,
    
    
    	The problem appear only with Pathwork 4.1. We try Pathwork 4.0,
    	with the same pc (DECstation 325) and the registration was successfull.
    	The problem is the same with DECmcc FT1.2.
    
    	Does any body have more informations about this problem ?
    
    	I suppose that pb come from NML on PWKS 4.1 ..?..but is it sure ?
      
    	Tank's
    
    
    	yves
    
    
2328.5working on it.MRMIPS::LichtenbergNotestuff: The *real* PC-Notes!Mon Jun 29 1992 17:1523
    
    Howdy.
    
    I'm trying to fix the CLD UVO_0868 which has to do with 
    registering PC nodes in DECmcc.
    
    Well, I can't seem to get MCC running enough to do the 
    registration -- some questions:
    
    	If I do MCC> SHOW DOMAIN *, I get "DNS-E-NOCACHE, client 
	    cache file not initialised"
    
    	I can't seem to open or create any domains.  I always get
    	"Entity not valid. please check spelling."

    Could someone help me figure out why MCC won't run properly so I 
    can fix this problem in PATHWORKS? (or at least look into it)
    
    /Mitch.
    (RANGER::LICHTENEBRG)
        

2328.6two people working on same problem?BIKINI::KRAUSEEuropean NewProductEngineer for MCCTue Jun 30 1992 12:4535
    I just sent the following mail to Jerry RAINBO::CLEMENTS. This applies to
    CLD MUH-02167 which seems to be the same problem. The first half was
    cured by the patch DNNETH.4_4_063. The rest currently is being
    worked on by Jerry.

    *Robert

It seems that a lot of information got lost along the way of this call. As the 
specialist that originally worked on this call (DECmcc) I will try to briefly 
explain what the problem is and how it was cured. Please forgive me if I don't 
use the correct PC terms.

On a request for "SHOW KNOWN CIRCUITS" PCSA 4.1 returns the circuit name ETHER-1 
with trailing blanks (total length 16 bytes). This is not a problem for display 
only applications like NCP. But MCC during registration uses the returned 
circuit name to issue the equivalent of "SHOW CIRCUIT <what it got> CHAR" and 
the PC rejects this second request with "illegal circuit name" because of the 
trailing blanks.

The fix was a patch to DNNETH.EXE. We simply patched the blanks following the 
circuit name to binary zeroes. This caused the circuit name to be returned 
without padding. BTW: in PCSA 4.0 the circuit name in DNNETH.EXE was padded with 
zeroes, therefore the problem did not show up.

This looks like a classical C programming problem, i.e. assuming a zero 
terminated string and ignoring the length field (which is correct in both 
versions of PCSA).

Hope this helps to fix the problem on source code level.

*Robert

PS.: I do not know the distribution list for this call. So, please, forward this 
mail to the appropriate distribution list. Thanks.

2328.7PHOTON::LichtenbergMitch LichtenbergWed Jul 01 1992 10:3626
    
    Robert,
    
    Jerry Clements manages the CLD's.  I'm the engineer that wrote 
    DNNETH, and I'm assigned to fix it.
    
    The problem with the trailing blanks is that fixing it in DNP isn't 
    enough, though I plan to do a workaround in DNP as well.  True, DNP 
    was returning trailing blanks, but the length field _was_ being 
    returned properly, at least it was supposed to be.  Anyway, the 
    blank-padded names get transferred into the DECPARM.DAT (permanent) 
    executor database file by NCP when the PC is first configured, and 
    are read back in on subsequent reboots, so changing it just in the 
    template data might not be enough.  I'll see what's involved in 
    modifying DNP to null-terminate the circuit name on each reboot, no 
    matter what is in the file.
    
    /Mitch.
    
    PS: DNP's written in 8086 assembly language.  It's a classic
    assembly programming problem :-) :-)
    
    
    
    
2328.8P/works V4.1A PC's now register OK.GIDDAY::BROOKSTue Sep 01 1992 23:4510
    Hi,
    
    	I have just received the new Pathworks for DOS V4.1A. I have loaded 
    it on My PC and have successfully managed to register and show circuit
    counters for both DECMCC V1.1 and V1.2.
    
    
    Regards,
    Niguel Brooks