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Title:DECmcc user notes file. Does not replace IPMT.
Notice:Use IPMT for problems. Newsletter location in note 6187
Moderator:TAEC::BEROUD
Created:Mon Aug 21 1989
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:6497
Total number of notes:27359

2257.0. "Customer questions about transition tools" by EISNCG::BIGGS () Mon Feb 03 1992 13:33

    
I have a customer that is considering buying DECmcc, they currently have an
install base of a number of our older networking tools. They asked the following
transition questions around their older tools and I hoped that these questions
could be answer for me in this conference.
  


1.  What transition capabilities have DEC provided for loading the MCC 
	database (MIR) from

		NMCC/DECnet Monitor
		Lan Traffic Monitor 
		NMCC/VAX ETHERnim
		ELMS
		Terminal Server Manager

	* Note:  TSM is vital!  They are aware of the current release plans
		 for TSAM.


2.  What historical-based reporting capabilities are incorporated in 
	DECmcc?  For example, netops may wish to be alarmed on an increasing
	error rate over a period of days, even if the counter itself never
	crosses the threshold line.  If a terminal server's error counter
	(pick one) increases 4 straight days (day 1=10, day 2=20, day 3= 40,
	etc) then alarm.  Can this be done?  What does it take (in general)?
	Is it a lot of programming?


	* Note:  Put another way, can you compare 4 days worth of information
		 and alarm on one or more continuously increasing counters?


3.  Questions about LTM functionality in DECmcc:

	* What kind of LTM functionality is provided in DECmcc BMS V1.1?

	* What kind of LTM functionality is provided in DECmcc BMS V1.2?

	* What kind is planned for the future?

	* Assuming LTM-type functionality is provided in V1.1 or V1.2, can the
	  LAN Bridge 200's be used in any way for listening purposes?  Better
	  yet, what listening devices, if any, are used to obtain information
	  for DECmcc's LTM-type functionality?


Tidbits:

	- They currently have the entire EMS suite of products in place (maybe
	  all as sep. point products) and use them in production mode.  
	  Easy transition of databases is important.

	- TSM is vital - they have many terminal servers.


    
    Thanks in advance,
    
    Joe Biggs "Network Consulting Group"
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2257.1Some answerBSYBEE::EGOLFJohn C. Egolf LKG2-2/T02 x226-7874Thu Feb 06 1992 08:0895
                      <<< Note 2257.0 by EISNCG::BIGGS >>>
                            -< Customer questions >-

    
I have a customer that is considering buying DECmcc, they currently have an
install base of a number of our older networking tools. They asked the following
transition questions around their older tools and I hoped that these questions
could be answer for me in this conference.
  


1.  What transition capabilities have DEC provided for loading the MCC 
	database (MIR) from

		NMCC/DECnet Monitor
		Lan Traffic Monitor 
		NMCC/VAX ETHERnim
		ELMS
		Terminal Server Manager

	* Note:  TSM is vital!  They are aware of the current release plans
		 for TSAM.


>	We have conversion tools to:
>
>   o	Convert your NCP DECnet IV db to DECmcc
>   o	Convert your UCX and/or BIND server db to DECmcc
>   o	Take bridges from your RBMS db and load into DECmcc
>   o 	Take bridge and stations from your ETHERnim db and load into DECmcc
>   o	There is an ELMS conversion tool (contact Bruce Sweet)
>
>	We will be doing tools to:
>
>   o	Convert some NMCC/DECnet Monitor data, TBD exactly what
>   o	Convert DECmcc/MSU data to DECmcc (Maps, managed objects,etc.)
>
>	No current plans for LTM
>	For TSM questions, please contact Jim Townsend.


2.  What historical-based reporting capabilities are incorporated in 
	DECmcc?  For example, netops may wish to be alarmed on an increasing
	error rate over a period of days, even if the counter itself never
	crosses the threshold line.  If a terminal server's error counter
	(pick one) increases 4 straight days (day 1=10, day 2=20, day 3= 40,
	etc) then alarm.  Can this be done?  What does it take (in general)?
	Is it a lot of programming?

	
>	In DECmcc  there is alarming on CHANGE OF and there is alarming
>	on OCCURS.  The idea is "if the attribute changes, alarm".  "If
>	condition x occurs y times during z time, alarm".  I don't know
>	if the two can be combined.  Give it a try.



	* Note:  Put another way, can you compare 4 days worth of information
		 and alarm on one or more continuously increasing counters?


3.  Questions about LTM functionality in DECmcc:

	* What kind of LTM functionality is provided in DECmcc BMS V1.1?

	* What kind of LTM functionality is provided in DECmcc BMS V1.2?

	* What kind is planned for the future?

	* Assuming LTM-type functionality is provided in V1.1 or V1.2, can the
	  LAN Bridge 200's be used in any way for listening purposes?  Better
	  yet, what listening devices, if any, are used to obtain information
	  for DECmcc's LTM-type functionality?

>	LTM functionality is planned for  post  V1.2.  We are not using
	the listener boxes for anything at present.


Tidbits:

	- They currently have the entire EMS suite of products in place (maybe
	  all as sep. point products) and use them in production mode.  
	  Easy transition of databases is important.

>	We agree!


	- TSM is vital - they have many terminal servers.
>	Check with Jim Townsend

    
    Thanks in advance,
    
    Joe Biggs "Network Consulting Group"

2257.2TSAM will convert tooTOOK::CASSIDYLinda, LKG2-2/BB10, DTN 226-7270Thu Feb 06 1992 09:034
The TSAM will provide a conversion tool for translating TSM databases to 
MCC.

 - Linda
2257.3Additional info.CHRISB::BRIENENDECmcc Bridge|Station|SNMP Management.Thu Feb 06 1992 14:2732
 To add to what John Egolf stated in 2257.1

>>   o 	Take bridge and stations from your ETHERnim db and load into DECmcc
>>   o	There is an ELMS conversion tool (contact Bruce Sweet)

 The NMCC/VAX ETHERnim Conversion utility will move the Reference Data
 (SET STATION xxx RESPONSIBLE PERSON = "Fred Flintstone", etc...) for
 the converted bridge and station entries.

 The DECelms conversion utility moves Bridges and Concentrators to
 DECmcc, preserving the Remarks field.


>	* Assuming LTM-type functionality is provided in V1.1 or V1.2, can the
>	  LAN Bridge 200's be used in any way for listening purposes?  Better
>	  yet, what listening devices, if any, are used to obtain information
>	  for DECmcc's LTM-type functionality?
>
>>	LTM functionality is planned for  post  V1.2.  We are not using
>>	the listener boxes for anything at present.

 DECmcc V1.1 (Bridge AM + PA FM) provided "LAN Utilization" and other
 Utilization and Thruput statistics when targeting a LAN Bridge 200.
 The LB200 doesn't need special LTM firmware for DECmcc to get this
 information.

 DECmcc V1.2 (Bridge AM + PA FM + Iconic_MAP) allows the *graphing* of
 the above statistics in real time (and historically as well).

 Supporting a LB100|150 running LTM firmware is planned for post V1.2.

						Chris