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Title:	DECmcc user notes file. Does not replace IPMT.
Notice:	Use IPMT for problems. Newsletter location in note 6187
Moderator:	TAEC::BEROUD

Created:	Mon Aug 21 1989
Last Modified:	Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:	6497
Total number of notes:	27359

876.0. "Registration and icon help" by MAIL::HELTON () Fri Apr 05 1991 14:52

    I have been demonstrating DECmcc at a customer site recently and
    experienced the following problems:
    I am still running the V1.1 EFT, plan to upgrade as soon as I can get
    the system back.
    
    1. I was unable to register any PCs as stations that had 3COM
    controllers in them. I have read 694 and would like to know if anyone
    else has had problems with a 3COM adapter. (unfortunately most of the
    customers PC's have 3COM not DEPCAs)
    
    2. The customer has a Britton Lee IDM500 that speaks a little DECnet.
    I could not register it as a Node4. The only manual ncp commands that
    it supports are counter information on line,cir and node. Is there any
    hope in registering this to utilize show line,cir,node counters?
    
    3. I am having trouble modifying icons and getting them to appear
    in the toolbox.  I have followed the instructions in 246 to create a
    new icon in the add instance dialog box.  I copied, then modified, the
    LANbridge 150 icon in the Bridge class. I saved it in X11 format with
    the following name MCC_Bridge_temp_icon.dat. I put it in the directory
    with all the rest of the icons. (MCC_system) It does not appear on a
    add bridge.
    
    Thanks,
    Gary Helton

T.R	Title	User	Personal Name	Date	Lines
876.1		NSSG::R_SPENCE	Nets don't fail me now...	`Fri Apr 05 1991 15:52`	2
	To answer #3. Did you restart DECmcc after copying the icon? DECmcc only reads the icons into memory when started up.
876.2	Suggestions on item 3	BSYBEE::EGOLF	John C. Egolf LKG2-2/T02 x226-7874	`Fri Apr 05 1991 15:59`	32
	> 3. I am having trouble modifying icons and getting them to appear > in the toolbox. I have followed the instructions in 246 to create a > new icon in the add instance dialog box. I copied, then modified, the > LANbridge 150 icon in the Bridge class. I saved it in X11 format with > the following name MCC_Bridge_temp_icon.dat. I put it in the directory > with all the rest of the icons. (MCC_system) It does not appear on a > add bridge. Two suggestions: 1. MCC_SYSTEM can point to a directory list. For example on a system I have here, when I DIR MCC_SYSTEM:. it looks in both SYS$SPECIFIC:[MCC] and SYS$SYSDEVICE:[MCC] Make sure all the icons are in the EXACT same directory. Better yet, just for testing, create a subdirectory in your own account. Copy all the Icon file to that subdirectory (COPY MCC_SYSTEM:ICON [yourdirectory.sub]. Create a logical to point to these: $ DEFINE/NOLOG MCC_ICONS [yourdirectory.sub] Bring up the Iconic map and see if your Icon is listed when you try to add a bridge. 2. Just to ensure the format is good, try: COPY MCC_SYSTEM:MCC_BRIDGE_ICON.DAT MCC_SYSTEM:MCC_BRIDGE1_ICON.DAT or use the MCC_ICONS logical if you have created that. If this works, you'll have two Icons that look alike. JCE
876.3		TOOK::F_MESSINGER		`Fri Apr 05 1991 18:10`	5
	Make sure the file protection is world or owner readable. Fred
876.4		MAIL::HELTON		`Mon Apr 08 1991 10:26`	3
	Thanks for the responses I will be trying them out soon. Gary
876.5	Can't register DECnet, but you can use it....	TOOK::CAREY		`Mon Apr 08 1991 10:51`	32
	> 2. The customer has a Britton Lee IDM500 that speaks a little DECnet. > I could not register it as a Node4. The only manual ncp commands that > it supports are counter information on line,cir and node. Is there any > hope in registering this to utilize show line,cir,node counters? With DECmcc V1.1, a node4 must respond to the following requests in order to be registerable: SHOW NODE4 nodeid ALL IDENTIFIERS SHOW NODE4 nodeid LINE * ALL IDENTIFIERS SHOW NODE4 nodeid LINE * ALL CHARACTERISTICS SHOW NODE4 nodeid CIRCUIT * ALL IDENTIFIERS SHOW NODE4 nodeid CIRCUIT * ALL CHARACTERISTICS If it responds to all of those requests, we should be able to register it successfully as a Node4. Just getting the counters won't be enough for V1.1. It currently looks like we'll be allowing partial registrations with the next release of DECmcc, which would mean tht your node4 could be registered, even though all of the information about it isn't available. That's at least DECmcc V1.2, so it isn't much help today. Right now, just try the commands you want to do from the command line interface. They'll work. The DECnet AM doesn't care about registration, and will access the device using the NICE protocol if it is possible, so you should be able to use MCC to manage even unregisterable node4s. -Jim Carey
876.6	a latent issue waiting to happen	TOOK::MATTHEWS		`Mon Apr 08 1991 16:27`	9
	This does present an interesting set of issues with Partial Registration in V1.2 however, Then you will be able to register it as a NODE4 and the Operations Menu will give you access to all NODE4 operations and attribute partitions but only the Counters partitions will work. I suspect this will be very confusing to the customer. I would suggest that anyone that sets up a system for a customer should warn them of this behavior. wally
876.7	Why will counters work?	BARREL::LEMMON		`Wed Apr 10 1991 17:09`	5
	re:.-1 Is this because some counter values are stored in DNS at registration time? /Jim
876.8		MAIL::HELTON		`Thu Apr 11 1991 17:07`	7
	I have tried your suggestions on the icons and have gotten that to work fine. (did not restart mcc after modifiying icons. I was not able to do any show commands to the Britton-Lee. Under ncp I can do a "show known line counters" and works fine, although under MCC the "show node4 idm2 line * all counters" will not work. It appears that we will not be able to get this information with MCC.