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Title:DECmcc user notes file. Does not replace IPMT.
Notice:Use IPMT for problems. Newsletter location in note 6187
Moderator:TAEC::BEROUD
Created:Mon Aug 21 1989
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:6497
Total number of notes:27359

809.0. "pa command" by JETSAM::WOODCOCK () Mon Mar 18 1991 12:58

Hi there,

Is this a user problem or an MCC problem? The command below is given to get
statistics for 15 minutes (right syntax?) in the past. Recording on the 
entity counters follows.

brad...


!
show node4 bbpk01 circuit syn-0 all statistics,for start 11:00 every 00:15 -
duration 00:15 until 11:15, in domain .pko-24
!
!Node4 bbpk01 Circuit syn-0 
!AT 18-MAR-1991 11:15:00 Statistics
!
!Cannot read attributes.
!                              MCC Error = 0, T1.0.0,
!                                          %MCC-S-COMMON_EXCEPTIO, success with 
!                                          common exception reply,
!                                          Show,
!                                          Node4 bbpk01 Circuit syn-0 ,
!                                          Show,
!                                          Node4 bbpk01 Circuit syn-0 ,
!                                          Requested data not available for 
!                                          specified time
!
!
!
!
!
show record node4 bbpk01 circuit syn-0 partition=counters,in domain .pko-24
!
!Node4 bbpk01 Circuit syn-0 
!AT 18-MAR-1991 11:30:38 
!
!Recording parameters for the partition "Counters" :
!                        Recording state = ACTIVE,
!                            State since = 15-MAR-1991 10:28:48.03,
!                         Polling period = 0 00:15:00.00,
!                             Begin time =  1-FEB-1991 16:22:16.85,
!                               End time = 25-MAY-2012 00:00:00.00,
!                               Keep age = 45 00:00:00.00,
!                           Request time =  1-FEB-1991 16:22:16.85,
!                           Requested by = "DECMCC",
!           Time of last successful poll = "18-MAR-1991 11:28:52.17",
!             Number of successful polls = 293,
!               Time of last failed poll = "NONE",
!               Last poll failure reason = "N/A",
!                 Number of failed polls = 0,
!        Last historical expiration time = "18-MAR-1991 11:28:52.17",
!        Time of last expiration failure = "NONE",
!         Last expiration failure reason = "N/A",
!          Number of expiration failures = 0
!
exit
!
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809.1Past time statisticsTOOK::ANWARUDDINAnwarMon Mar 18 1991 14:1312
	1. This seems to be a user problem. The command syntax seems to
		correct.

	2. Historical Circuit Statistics requires the recording of
	   Circuit counters, Circuit Characteristics and Line 
	   Characteristics. This is documented in the Pa Use Manual.

	3. If you didn't record the Circuit or Line Characteristics,
	   you will get the exception "Requested data not
	   available for requested time".

809.2works ok nowJETSAM::WOODCOCKMon Mar 18 1991 17:2010
Thanks, I had circuit counter and characteristics but not line characteristics.
All seems to be working now. I've doubled back thru the manual but still
can't find this info. I'm still using the doc set distributed from V1.1 EFT
training session. I guess it's time to get the latest and greatest. But I
am curious as to why characteristics need to be stored. Other than line
speed (which could be queried at the time of command) what is it that MCC
needs the characteristics for?

brad...

809.3Why Line CharacteristicsTOOK::ANWARUDDINAnwarTue Mar 19 1991 10:3912
re .2

But I am curious as to why characteristics need to be stored. Other than line
speed (which could be queried at the time of command) what is it that MCC
needs the characteristics for?

>>> Just for Line speed, as you correctly guess. Querying at runtime
>>> gives you the current speed, not what it was at the time of recording.
>>> (Does the line speed change?). 


809.4speeds do changeJETSAM::WOODCOCKTue Mar 19 1991 10:5221
>>> Just for Line speed, as you correctly guess. Querying at runtime
>>> gives you the current speed, not what it was at the time of recording.
>>> (Does the line speed change?). 

Actually, yes it usually does over time (it always goes up!). Thinking
about it a bit more I tend to like how MCC has implemented this (although
it's more work to set up and requires additional disk space). Past tools
have the speed set statically with the computations being driven from the
single setting. When speed changes and the database was updated all
computations were based on the new value making the stats inacurate for
times before the change. MCC should deliver the proper numbers if the
user changes the speed and is careful enough to update and force a poll
on the characteristics at about the same time.

The circuit characteristics are probably used to check the data link
protocol to determine what the overhead is for that circuit and plug
it into calculations.

brad...

809.5I'll qar the documentationTOOK::CALLANDERWed Mar 20 1991 15:1112
Actually page 2-7 of the PA manual states (in the table) that:
"You must have recorded all attribute partitions for:"..."the circuit
and for the line the circuit is on."

In reality this needs to be corrected, for example you don't need to
record the reference attributes of the entity to be able to calculate
the statistics.

I will qar this; and yes this was the only place I found the info in 
the manual.

jill