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Title:DECmcc user notes file. Does not replace IPMT.
Notice:Use IPMT for problems. Newsletter location in note 6187
Moderator:TAEC::BEROUD
Created:Mon Aug 21 1989
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:6497
Total number of notes:27359

795.0. "Distributed Network Management" by ARGUS::ROMANOWICZ () Thu Mar 14 1991 10:28

    I'm planning hardware for a distributed network management
    configuration. The idea is to install the MCC platform on a customers
    LAN and manage it remotely over the EASYNET. 
    
    I've been discouraged from re-directing output by using SET DISPLAY
    over the network due to the expected poor performace of DECwindows
    applications over the net.
    
    I understand I can manage remotely using the command line interface.  
    
    Q. Do I need a workstation or a terminal at my end to manage remotely, 
    using the command line interface? 
    
    Q. What am I giving up in functionality being confined to the CLI? Can
    I manage the network effectively?
    
    Q. Are there any other options out there?
     
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795.1some answersTOOK::DITMARSPeteFri Mar 15 1991 10:3319
>    Q. Do I need a workstation or a terminal at my end to manage remotely, 
>    using the command line interface? 

A terminal will be sufficient to use the FCL PM.
   
>    Q. What am I giving up in functionality being confined to the CLI? 

A very nice graphical user interface.

>Can I manage the network effectively?

You can't do anything to managed entities from the Iconic Map that you can't
do from FCL.  Presentation of the management information and access to 
manageable entities is clumsier and less elegant using FCL.  FCL is not known
for presenting information in a compact format, so a set host connection subject
to network delays or a slow modem connection may be quite frustrating at times.

You probably won't be as effective without the Iconic Map, but exactly how
much that will impact your effectiveness I can't say.
795.2I'm not a manager, but here's what I can tell youTOOK::CALLANDERFri Mar 15 1991 10:3845
As it stands right now (V1.1) the FCL and the Iconic Map PM's provide the user 
with almost the same set of functions, though they are disjoint sets. This
is my QUICK attempt at enumerating the differences in functions supported:

FCL:
	no mapping capabilities
	does support both GETEVENT and NOTIFY directives to veiw events as
		well as rule firings/exceptions
	WITH clause supported
	TO clause supported
	IN DOMAIN must be explicitly stated on commands for historian...
	wildcards supported
	forms mode context sensitive help and command completion

Iconic Map:
	no GETEVENT support 
	no direct access to the NOTIFY functions (though it does support
		default NOTIFY DOMAIN x commands from a menu item)
	domain based, IN DOMAIN information is defaulted
	mapping capabilities
	wildcarding in the form of multiple selections supported
	management windows provide MB2 help for some data types
	command procedures not supported

This is definitely not everything but should give you a feel for the 
differences. What it comes down to though is that all of the AM functions
are available from both, and the FM functions are supported slightly differently
by each.

The PM's should NOT confine what you can do but simply how you do it. To
help in the how space, the FCL (command line) supports a function called
forms mode (USE MODE FORMS). This mode gives you a scrollable output buffer
with print and save capabilities as well as point and select (using function
keys to move around the output buffer you can pick up output data to use
as input data on future commands). The forms mode also give context sensitive 
help to make learning and using the FCL easier (similar to the context sensitive
menus of the iconic map interface).

The FCL can be run from pretty much any terminal, I believe we state it as
at least a VT220 or later (VT100 doesn't have all of the function key
support needed for forms mode). I hope this helps. Both PMs are documented
in the DECmcc Director Use manual.

jill