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Title:DECmcc user notes file. Does not replace IPMT.
Notice:Use IPMT for problems. Newsletter location in note 6187
Moderator:TAEC::BEROUD
Created:Mon Aug 21 1989
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:6497
Total number of notes:27359

562.0. "Ethernet AM = two icons for same node ?" by TLSE01::HAGENMULLER () Mon Dec 17 1990 14:20

    
    We are trying to understand how the Ethernet AM can be useful for
    a customer . The issue is that the map will contain for instance
    twice icons for the same decnet p4 node : 
    one for REGISTER NODE4 XXXYYY
    and another for  REGISTER STATION ...
    
                    
    I know this AM matches some features of ETHERNIM , but how to tell
    about to a customer ?
                            
    ch 
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562.1Why Station (why not?)CHRISB::BRIENENDECmcc Bridge|Station Management.Mon Dec 17 1990 14:5730
The Station Entity can be used for *quickly* checking connectivity at the
datalink level (check typically uses less system resources than other
methods). 

For instance, there are classes of problems where protocols go belly-up,
but where the port device accessibility can tell you what type
of problem you're dealing with (e.g. DECnet or TCP/IP says it's not there,
but the port device is still accessible: must be a software problem).

Also, having a Station entity (icon) allows you to place entities on your map
that you cannot currently "manage" (verify connectivity to ethernet based entity
that doesn't have MCC support for its higher level protocols). In fact, the
entity may not implement any "higher level" protocol. 

For Digital (and some other) hardware, you can also get information dealing
with the TYPE of Station you're dealing with; nice for those cases where
systems are getting added to your Ethernet before you're "told" about them).
Note that MOP is actually supported by more than just Digital at this point.
Some even support MOP datalink level counters.

Digital's Ethernet devices send SYSID messages every 8-12 minutes. This
fact will be used when the Ethernet AM implements Events (e.g. "New
Station Discovered"). 

That's all I have time to say (see the docs for more information).

Sorry about the multiple icon problem. It's has been known about for a LONG
time internally, but hasn't had a really high priority...

						Chris
562.2How about "Default" protocol?NSSG::R_SPENCENets don't fail me now...Tue Dec 18 1990 11:478
    Gee, it sounds to me that you would want to have some (perhaps user
    settable) "Default" protocol that DECmcc would use when accessing an
    entity but provide for the user to choose other protocols if needed.
    
    That way you don't need to have an Icon for each protocol, only one for
    the entity.
    
    s/rob
562.3Look around for ideasPRUNES::GASSMANThu Dec 20 1990 08:4519
    The right answer is going to come with testing it in the market.  Right
    now, few products support multiple protocols, but MSU, OPENview, and
    Cabletron - all present one icon and support the various protocols
    from within.  MSU allows the operator to select the 'default' protocol
    that is used for color on the map.  HP will show a system a unique
    color if SNMP is down, but reachable thru another protocol.  This is
    where the ethernet am is useful.  What is also useful is the ability to
    rank the protocols that should be tried during fault diagnosis of a
    system.  Ie, try DECnet first, then SNMP, then ICMP, then 802 loopback.
    Since the MSU and Director products should come together at some point
    soon, this might be a good place to make things look similar.
    
    However - the feature of a box per protocol should not be totally
    trashed - logical networks will still require using icons not tied
    to the 'box' global class.  For example, a map of message routers will use
    message router icons - and not have to be tied to be within the system
    that it's running in.
    
    bill