Conference azur::mcc

    I assume you also need a working Nameserver and write access to the
    namespace too?
    
    s/rob

	Yes, you  need  a  working  DECmcc  system  (including  the DNS
	namespace).  Entities are REGISTERed in the namespace.

	If you are using this for demos only, put  the nameserver on
	the workstation running DECmcc.    In that way, you have a self
	contained unit that can be  carried or wheeled around from area
	to area.
								JCE

    I have installed the demo however I still haven't SNMP AM Iconic Map
    support as stated in note 439. When I start MCC I get the following
    error message:
    		 "no input bitmaps found for SNMP"
    
    Any suggestions?
    
    Also I am in the process of setting up a customer demo. Could you tell
    me how to get a map into MCC ? 
    
    Thanks,
    Jill Finch

    
    Jill,
    "no input bitmaps found for XXX" means that the global entity XXX
    is in the dictionary, but there is no mcc_xxx_icon.dat file in the
    directory pointed to by mcc_icons.
    
    Fred

You put all the entities in the ROOT of the namespace.  We have gone
to a lot of trouble to get things out of the root directory.  I specifically
requested that  the package not use the root directory, I even should
the developer how to set it up.  Why do you insist on doing things
in the 'demonstration' that we will not recommend to our customers?

/Claudia

	re .3

	There were three SNMP icons on the kit.

[GOLDMAN.KIT]MCC_SNMP_ICON.DAT;2                            3   8-JUN-1990 08:11
[GOLDMAN.KIT]MCC_SNMP_TCP_IP_HOST_ICON.DAT;1                4   1-MAY-1990 13:15
[GOLDMAN.KIT]MCC_SNMP_WS_ULTRIX_IP_ICON.DAT;1               4  18-SEP-1990 15:16

	Do a directory of MCC_ICONS:*SNMP* and see what you have.

RE: .3

When I installed the MCCTCPIP010 kit, I had the same results.  Appearently
this kit does not come with the icon data file that is needed.  I then installed
the demo kit and noticed that the error disapeared in the demo account, but
when I ran it, I still had the error.  I moved the MCC_SNMP_ICON.DAT out of the
demo account into the MCC_ICONS: directory and the problem went away.

RE. .5

I am in complete agreement with Claudia as to the perception problem of putting
all the managed entities in the ROOT of the namespace.  I make it a point to
inform all who see the demo in the Dallas ACT that this is not the accepted
way to setup the management tool.  I am in the process of building a "proper"
set of domains that follow the DECmcc guidelines.  I do, however, find the demo
script usefull in learning about DECmcc.  Also the prewritten rules that change
the icon color to red at alarm state is good show item.

IMHO,I think the demo should follow the DECmcc guidelines as published in
the documentation.

John

re .7:

>RE: .3

>When I installed the MCCTCPIP010 kit, I had the same results.  Appearently
>this kit does not come with the icon data file that is needed.

	Remember, you're using the TCP/IP AM V1.0 kit, for installation
	on DECmcc 1.0 platforms.

	The fact that you can install it and run it over DECmcc 1.1 platforms
	means the platform hasn't changed, not that the TCP/IP kit lacks 
	an icon.

                      <<< Note 452.8 by MKNME::DANIELE >>>
                              -< SSB has no map >-
>	The fact that you can install it and run it over DECmcc 1.1 platforms
>	means the platform hasn't changed, not that the TCP/IP kit lacks 
>	an icon.

Err, I think you meant to say "...the platform has changed, ..."
                                               ^^^
/doug

re -.1

> Err, I think you meant to say "...the platform has changed, ..."
                                               ^^^
	No Doug, I meant the DECmcc platform for enrollable management modules
	has NOT changed.  The call interface, the run time support, etc. are
	backwardly compatible with the V1.0 platform.

	The fact that new PMs and FMs are around should be entirely transparent
	to existing 1.0-based modules.

	Mike

The demo install procedure invokes DECmcc as "$ man/ent". It was failing
saying that I had the wrong version of DECmcc installed. Investigation
showed a symbol MAN :== HELP SHELL UTIL which the man/ent was invoking
instead of DECmcc. (On Ultrix, to figure out how something works, you use
"man", short for "manual page". Then you go ask someone... :-) )

    I have installed the demo, however when I double click on
    Littleton-Mass I get a MCC message:
    		"Filtering occurred"
    as I enter the display of the network topology. The display has only
    lines ... all the nodes, stations etc and whatever else there was have
    disappeared ("filtered out").
    
    What have I done and how do I fix it????
    
    Thanks,
    Jill

Jill,
Just to make sure you have a littleton-mass domain with the correct members,
try saying this from FCL : show domain littleton-mass memb *.

Fred

Hello,

We installed the demo kit in Sophia Antipolis ACT. This is super; customers are
impressed by the demo.

I wonder if we should not also show how easy it is to enroll new MM's :
how dynamic it is.

An example would be to enroll the FDA FM while DECmcc is running and see how
everything is dynamic.

This will convince the customers on this unique capability.

Marc.

	Jill,

	What you  are probably seeing is that the map file contains the
	entities, but the  domain  does  not.    You're  right,  you're
	filtered to nothing.   Now  the questions is why is your domain
	empty (not loaded)?

	I assume when you installed  the  demo,  you indicated that you
	wanted  the "ACT" center to be  Littleton_Mass  as  opposed  to
	Houstin, or some other such site.   If  this is true, then Fred
	is on the right track.  From the comand line (FCL) do:
	SHOW DOMAIN LITTLETON_MASS MEMBER *

	What do you get?  You should get a bunch of domains like EGOLF,
	COLIN,STONE,VERNA,etc.  If not try:

	CREATE DOMAIN EGOLF
	CREATE DOMAIN LITTLETON_MASS MEMBER (DOMAIN EGOLF)
	SHOW DOMAIN LITTLETON_MASS MEMBER *

	If  it  worked,  you should at least have one  member  in  your
	domain which would prove your namespace is set up.   If  it did
	work,  the simplest thing would be to re-install the demo.   If
	it didn't work, check out your namespace.

								JCE

    Taken into consideration all the prerequisites i was not able to
    call the A.C.T. center domain LITTLETON_MASS as specified in the 
    demo script -- i'm getting only a raw map without icons...
    
    I did run the demo setup procedure several times, maybe this causes 
    problems ?!
    
    ???

    I encountered the same problem.  Got only lines when calling
    Littleton_mass domain.  Amy Goldman pointed a mistake in my log files. 
    I was using the T1.0.1 version.  Installed the X1.0.1 version. 
    Everthing works fine.  You will have to install the TCPIP access module
    again after this. Check 3.25 for the latest IFT 1.1 kit location.
    
    It worked for me I hope it works for the rest too.
    
    Thanks Amy
    
    Raj
    SWS Singapore

    I am seeing some strange behaviour when I run the demo.
    For some reason I am able to show counters for the node
    on which the demo is running when I use the command line
    interface but not when I use the iconic map interface.
    From the map I can access other nodes on the network,
    but not the one that is running the demo.  I have tried
    re-installing the demo, but it does not clear up the problem.
    Has anyone seen this behavior?  Any suggestions on how to
    remedy the situation will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
    
    Janet Johnston
    

    A typical problem that can lead to the symptoms you are seeing (and
    I haven't seen this demo to know if this could be it), is that the
    FCL doesn't care if the entity is registered unless you are trying
    to address the entity via and identifier not known to the AM. On
    the other hand the iconic map does care. You could simply have a
    case where your entity isn't registered (some one deregistered it
    or deleted it from the domain -- and not your map).
    

    
    If someone had deleted from the domain, it never should have showed
    up on the map.  If this is the case, please QAR it.
    
    What message is displayed when yoy try to "access" the node?
    
    Fred

    Actually I thought that the you could hit the case where you have
    brought the map up, then some one else from another session deletes
    a member from the domain. I didn't think this case was detected
    until the map was closed and reopened. As for the deregistering
    one, how is that one detected by the user Fred?
    
    

Now that the pak for ift v1.1 is going to expire in a couple of days,
will this demo kit work on EFT v1.1?    Is there a eft v1.1 for
tcpip am?
thanks
lillian

    
    John Eglof who has been responsible for the distribution (and creation)
    of the demo, is currently out of the office. I have passed your
    request along, but there may be a delay in getting you a response.
    Sorry for any inconvenience that this might cause.
    
    

    The V1.1 EFT kit on which the DEMO software is layered upon uses
    the same paks as that released for the V1.0 product.  All you need
    to do is to use the VTX PAK database and request the DECMCC-BMS
    pak, load it onto your system,  and the demo should be ready to
    run on the V1.1 EFT kit.
    
    Peter
    

    	Actually, the demo as it stands will not run exactly the same
    on the EFT kit, because alarms/notification is done differently.
    There will be a new demo kit available soon.  The current demo kit 
    will not install on the EFT software.

    	(However, until then, if you already have the demo installed
    and you install the EFT kit, you can re-load the domains using the 
    load_cities.com, load_domain.com, and load_<act_city>.com files in 
    the demo account, and you should be able to have the maps, etc 
    available.)

    	Amy

    I seem to have the same type problem as described in .12 and .16.
    The main difference is that I do get one node.  (the one I gave
    to the install input: Additional phase IV node:
    
    Then I tried to reinstall into Littleton_Mass instead of Houston
    and everything went great, and I see the everything under
    Littleton_Mass.  How do I get it to show under Houston instead of
    Littleton??  
    
    Also all the MCC and DNS test's in this note did work!
    
    Thanks in advance
    
    Kenton Sutton
    

    Thanks Pete!!!
    
    s/rob

A couple of questions regarding the demo, using BMS IFT V1.1
1. Leaving DECWINDOWS interface always produced an access violation
   error message.  Is this normal?
2. Except from the DEMO account created by the installation, I was not
   able to run 'manage/enter/inter=decw' from the system account.  Running 
   the FCL interface was okay though.  Did I miss anything here?
3. The demo ran smoothly except I wasn't able to get the Performance analyzer
   working.  I followed the script but no statistics was obtained as if this FM
   were not there.
It took a very long time to get the world and US map up the screen;
switching windows was especially painful.
regs
Lillian

re .-1

A couple of questions regarding the demo, using BMS IFT V1.1
1. Leaving DECWINDOWS interface always produced an access violation
   error message.  Is this normal?
>>	Yes.   For  the IFT version, the way we turned the Icon red was
	done as a  'hack'.    In  the  newly  announced EFT kit, we are
	turning the icon color  via  Notification  Services.  No accvio
	should occur.

2. Except from the DEMO account created by the installation, I was not
   able to run 'manage/enter/inter=decw' from the system account.  Running 
   the FCL interface was okay though.  Did I miss anything here?
>>	What type of problem did  you encounter?  If it worked, but the
	maps weren't found, there is a  logical  you need to set, if it
	didn't work at all we need to know what the problem was.

3. The demo ran smoothly except I wasn't able to get the Performance analyzer
   working.  I followed the script but no statistics was obtained as if this FM
   were not there.
>>	I believe that there is a bug  in  that  if there is no network
	traffic  at  all  on  the node between samples,  no  stats  are
	presented.  Try it again with a longer time  interval and force
	a little network traffic to see if this is the problem or not.

It took a very long time to get the world and US map up the screen;
switching windows was especially painful.
>>	Yep,  we're working on improving the performance.  I just  came
	back  from  DECworld Japan and they had their system tuned very
	well.    They  had  a normal 3100, no SPX, RD54, 24M memory  (I
	think), and  the  maps never ran faster.  I was very impressed.
	The world_scaled, Japan, and network maps painted very quickly.
	BTW, they were running VMS 5.3-1


regs
Lillian

re .-2

   > 2. Except from the DEMO account created by the installation, I was not
   >    able to run 'manage/enter/inter=decw' from the system account.  Running 
   >    the FCL interface was okay though.

Sorry my mistake , no more problems accessing the decwindows interface from 
other accounts.

re .-1
   >>	I believe that there is a bug  in  that  if there is no network
 	traffic  at  all  on  the node between samples,  no  stats  are
	presented.  Try it again with a longer time  interval and force
	a little network traffic to see if this is the problem or not.

Tried your suggestion and is working now.

thanks for the info, Lillian

    I understand engineering is working on improving the performance.
    I'm having difficulty when traversing from the network map back to
    the U.S. MAP - when I tried to double click on Littleton_mass on 
    the U.S. MAP, the icon turned black, and it took forever to get
    to the next level.  Surprisingly checking on the process, it was not
    using much system resource.
    
    I'm using a 3100 with 20 MB memory only and RZ23 disks.  Is there a way
    to bypass the maps and get directly to the network display?  
    

re .31

You may pull down th FILE menu, select Open, and when the box comes up requesting
the domain name, just type in littleton_mass.  You may open a domain at any time
in your double-clicking-traversals.

Fred

    RE .31  you may also want to check what your page file is setup
    up to be (both the file size on disk and the quotas assigned to
    the account you are using).
    

    	The EFT  demonstration  package  is now available.  There are a
	couple of things to note:

    1)  For those that  had  installed  the  IFT demonstration kit, the
	command files and map  will  be re-customized.  This is because
	we have expanded to include  Europe,  and  you can now choose a
	European site instead of a US  ACT  city  if  you like.  So the
	WORLD,  UNITED_STATES and <local city/country> will be  deleted
	and then re-loaded.

    2)  In  the  installation  guide,  there  is a sample  installation
	documented.    This  is  for  a  fresh  install.   If  you  are
	upgrading,  you  will get the following message for the domains
	on the LAN map as well as the ACT cities:

	The requested operation cannot be completed
                      Entity Existence Info = Entity Exists

    	This is not an error.

    3)  This  installation still loads DNS entities as before, into the
	root directory.    This  may  affect  some users.  While we are
	planning  on  the    option    of  loading  entities  into  DNS
	subdirectories in future releases of this demonstration kit, it
	is not available now.

    	
    	Look on node BSYBEE::DUA0:[PUBLIC] for 3 files:

	DECMCC_EFT_DEMO.BCK
	DECMCC_EFT_DEMO.COM
	DEMO_INSTALL_GUIDE.PS

    	Copy these to a priv  account.   READ the DEMO_INSTALL_GUIDE.PS
	for instructions.  After installation, a  DEMO-SCRIPTS.PS  will
	be in the [DEMO] account.  

    	Contact  Amy  Goldman  (HAWK2::GOLDMAN)  if you have  comments,
	problems, suggestions for improvement.  

    Hi,
    
    Back in November I installed the IFT kit and demoed successfully
    several times. I then put the workstation away until this week. 
    
    I reset the time back to Nov 1 so the PAKs wouldn't get in the way and
    tried to demo it again. The maps all come up and I can show all
    attributes of my node4 nodes. BUT alarms are not working anymore. When
    I try to create the alarm I get an error message that says the
    repository does not exist. 
    
    Can anyone help? I don't have time to install the EFT kit right now.
    
    - jeanne

>    I reset the time back to Nov 1 so the PAKs wouldn't get in the way and
>    tried to demo it again. The maps all come up and I can show all
>    attributes of my node4 nodes. BUT alarms are not working anymore. When
>    I try to create the alarm I get an error message that says the
>    repository does not exist. 
>    

     If you have created  Alarms rule after 1st of November and then you
     reset the system clock, you are aasking MIR show future data!
     I would strongly recommend that you not change system clock.
     Behaviour of MCC MMs (not just Alarms) is unpredictable once you 
     reset clock for such totally different time.

	Can you possibly get new packs and restore the system clock to present
	time ?

	_ Anil Navkal

    yes,
    
    I will do that. 
    
    thanks,
    jeanne

    How will MCC react during switches from Daylight to Standard time and
    back again?  
    
    bill
    

    re:.38
    
    First of all, I would like to emphasize that local time is virtually
    non-existent inside of MCC.  This is because the local time is
    immediately converted to Universal Coordinate Time as soon as it is parsed
    by the User Interface, and the Universal Coordinate Time is converted
    back to local time just before it is formatted for output.  This means
    that the operating MCC software knows little or nothing at all about
    local time.
    
    Now for the question:
    
    If the user is careful to update the MCC_TDF logical when going from
    EDT to EST and vice-versa, they MAY see some interesting behavior ONLY
    for historical data displays, and Statistics.
    
        If you collect historical data every 1 hour the time line may look
    something like this:
    
          Local Time          UTC             DATA
          ----------       -----------        ------------------------
          1:00              6:00              111111
          2:00              7:00              222222
    EST to EDT (Set clock ahead an hour) 
          4:00              8:00              333333
          5:00              9:00              444444
    EDT to EST (set clock back an hour)
          5:00             10:00              555555
          6:00             11:00              666666
    
    To simplify things lets say that at 3:00 you set your time ahead to
    4:00.  At the same time you modify the TDF to go from -5:00 to -4:00.
    The next poll will compute the UTC to be four hours ahead, and
    everything looks okay.  Likewise, when you want to set your time back
    at, say 6:00 to 5:00, if you modify the TDF to go from -4:00 to -5:00,
    the next poll will compute the UTC to be five hours greater.  And
    everything looks correct in the database.
    
    Now come the interesting part.  If you ask to look at all data between
    two points in time, we will use the CURRENT TDF to compute the local
    times for the begin and end times.  Ideally, we want to use the
    HISTORICAL TDFs for the respective local times, but we do not have a
    Historical TDF database.    
    
    Let's presume that it is now 7:00.  If we ask for data between 4:00 and
    6:00, the current TDF is -5:00.  That translates into a request for
    data between 9:00 and 11:00.  But the data at 9:00 was actually
    recorded at 5:00 local time.  The reverse logical can be used to see
    what happed when you are in EDT and ask for data which was recorded in
    EST (left as an exercise for the reader).
    
    The last time I spoke to a DTSS developer, this "feature" was also
    visible in DTSS.  This is because DTSS does not (at least on VMS)
    remember historical TDF values.  So, for example, if you asked DTSS to
    give you the UTC time for 4:00 local time, it would return 9:00, not
    8:00, because it uses the current TDF to compute it.  (Perhaps they
    have fixed this by now, I don't know.)
    
    I hope this description was not too confusing.
    
    -Matt.
    

	With the  announcement  of  the  pre-SSB  kit for V1.1, we have
	upgraded the Installable demonstration package.

	There isn't much  new functionality between the EFT version and
	the  pre-SSB  version.   We  have  added  maps  for  Japan  and
	Australia,  based upon request from  our  friends  out  at  the
	Pacific rim area.

	The script and command file *DO*  reflect changes in syntax and
	have the new map file name conventions.   Refer to note 3.49 in
	this  conference  and the READ-ME-FIRST.TXT for changes between
	EFT and pre-SSB.  

	The files for the pre-SSB V1.1 demonstration are:
	

Directory BSYBEE::DUA0:[PUBLIC]

DECMCC_V11_DEMO.BCK;8             1890   7-FEB-1991 15:41:50.00
DECMCC_V11_DEMO.COM;9               38   6-FEB-1991 12:32:12.00
DECMCC_V11_DEMO_INSTALL_GUIDE.PS;1  92   7-FEB-1991 16:41:34.14
DECMCC_V11_DEMO_SCRIPTS.PS;1       530   7-FEB-1991 16:42:11.71

Total of 4 files, 2550 blocks.

	I have installed the demo but for some reason I can't get to the 
littleton_mass domain in the Iconic Map PM.  However, when I use the FCL PM it
exists and is properly populated with the right nodes, bridges, etc.  Can
someone tell me how I might be able to correct this?

	Carl

        Carl,
        
        Have sent you mail...I need some more information to help you find
        the problem.
        
        Amy

	Unique (known)  sites  that  have  installed  the demonstration
	package.  Note that theis list was reduced to one occurance per
	site.  In many cases, there are multiple installations per site
	and  of  course there are  DECmcc  installations  that  haven't
	installed the demo kit.

AEO Annecy, France - Computer Special Systems Southwest
AKO Acton-Nagog, MA - GIA Office, GIA Field Service
ATL Atlanta, GA - Application Center for Technology
AYO Ayr, Scotland -  Ayr Plant
BBO Brisbane, Australia - Branch Office
CXN Colorado Springs, CO - Design Engineering
DBO Dublin, Ireland - Ireland Sales Group Office
DCO Landover, MD - Maryland District Office/Washington D.C Maryland District
EBO Berne, Switzerland - Branch Office
EBO Berne, Switzerland - Branch Office
FAC Detroit, MI - East Central Area Office/Application Ctr for Technology
FMT Farmington, CT - Application Center for Technology
FRN Frankfurt, Federal Republic of Germany - Training Service Center
GEB Geneva, Switzerland - Digital Demo Center/Educational Center
HGO Beijing, People's Republic of China - Representative Off/Service Station/ILC
HST Houston, TX - Application Center for Technology
IVO Irvine, CA - Southwest Area Headquarters
KCO Kansas City, MO - Sales/Software/District Field Service/Digital Servicenter
KXO Knoxville, TN - Branch Office/Digital Servicenter
LKG Littleton, MA - Networks And Communications Engineering/Simon Tuttle Ctr
MAV New York, NY - Application Center for Technology
MEL Landover, MD - Mid-Atlantic Headquarters/SWS Federal Business Group
MEO Melbourne, Australia - Branch Office/Southern Australia District Office
MKO Merrimack, NH - Merrimack Plant
MLO Maynard, MA - Corporate Headquarters/Engineering/Manufacturing/Plant
NOO New Orleans, LA - Branch Office/Digital Servicenter
NZO Auckland, New Zealand - Auckland Branch Office
OSA Osaka, Japan - Branch Office/Educational Center
PHC Philadelphia, PA - Application Center for Technology
PVO Providence, RI - Branch Office/Digital Servicenter
RIO Rome, Italy - District Office
SEO Seattle, WA - Seattle Branch Office/Northwest District Office
SQO Madrid, Spain - Spain Subsidiary Office 
STL Sydney, Australia - Regional Field Service Office
TNO Turin, Italy - District Office/Sales/SWS
TPO Taiwan, Republic Of China - Taiwan F.S. Office/Taiwan Sub. Office/F&A/PNL
TRC Toronto, Ontario, Canada - City Center Office/Metro Branch Office
UBO Basingstoke, England - South UK District Office
UFC Munich, Federal Republic of Germany - Application Center
UTO Utrecht, The Netherlands  - Holland District Office
UVO Basingstoke, England -  Customer Support Center
VBE Valbonne, France - Engineering Building
VFO Fairfax, VA - Northern Virginia Branch Office/Digital Servicenter
WAO Waltham, MA - Suburban South District/Eastern Mass Software District
WRO Santa Clara, CA - Western Area Headquarters/Educational Services Training
XIP Lisbone, Portugal - Subsidiary Office/Branch Office
ZPO Singapore, Singapore - Branch Office
ZQO Barcelona, Spain - Branch Office

    
    
    	Hello,
    
    
    Here is an alternate european location for the DECmcc V1.1 
    demonstration kit :
    
    TENERE::EMA$PUBLIC:[DEMO]
    
    
    	Best Regards
    
    
    
    		Catherine

 Hi!

 The DECmcc Installable demo kit seems to have a couple of side-effects
 that I think people should know about. People at ACTs, please make note of
 these items: 

 1) If you have added any "after market" AMs (e.g. Translan AM, Terminal
    Server AM, etc)  then you may have problems locating the bitmap files
    when running the demo from the "DEMO" account.   The reason for this is
    that the LOGIN.COM for the demo accounts (that *I* have seen) redefined
    MCC_ICONS: to a directory *other* than (the default) MCC_COMMON:.  

    This, in and of itself, is no problem as long as you (the user of the
    demo kit) are aware that you will need to COPY the bitmap files for the
    appropriate MCC_*_ICON.DAT files to wherever your incarnation of
    MCC_ICONS: is.

    I am mentioning this because I just got a call about this (about the
    TRANSLAN AM) from an ACT and I also noticed that we just had a week or
    so of trying to find a "phantom" icon for the TERM_SERVER AM at one of
    our ACTs.  

 2) The "alternate" icons that are supplied for some of the entity
    classes may be misleading.   For example: You CANNOT simply choose the
    alternate icon beneath the BRIDGE icon that says "Vitalink Translan" on
    it and use it to (magically) communicate with a Translan Bridge; That
    requires that you use the TRANSLAN AM not the BRIDGE AM.

 These are pretty straightforward and should not be a problem for most
 people, but I thought that it'd be a good idea to get the info out there.

 osmosis, amoebas!
 /doug

RE: 452.40

I have had some trouble printing the script file for the demo, i.e.

	BSYBEE::DUA0:[PUBLIC]DECMCC_V11_DEMO_SCRIPTS.PS;1

I can only print 12 pages, all of them pertaining to the section
"Introduction to DECmcc". The ret of the file doesn't appear on printer.

Anyone with the same problem and some cure?

Thanks,
Mario

    
    Here's my results in checking the MCC and DNS installations
    before trying to install the demo.  Note that the results
    from the DNS test are not exactly what the demo installation
    guide says is correct.  Sure enough, when I run the installation
    I get an accvio (log file showing the accvio available on request)
    after it gets quite far along in the procedure.
    
    What I'd like to know is, the installation guide says if you
    have a problem, see the MCC notes file or the DNS notes file
    or the documentation.  Can you offer any pointers to specific
    notes for this problem?  I have no idea where to start.
    
MCC> show mcc 0 all attr

MCC 0
AT  5-JUN-1991 15:44:22 All Attributes

                         Component Name = NITWIZ_NS:.MCC.NITWIZ_DIRECTOR
               Component Identification = "DECmcc"
                      Component Version = V1.1.0
MCC> register node4 .nitwiz syn nitwiz

Node4 NITWIZ_NS:.nitwiz
AT  5-JUN-1991 15:45:03

The requested operation cannot be completed
            MCC Unhandled Service Reply = Registration Failed: Duplicate Synonym
MCC> deregister node4 nitwiz

Node4 63.366
AT  5-JUN-1991 15:45:58

Deregistration Successful

    I tried registering NITWIZ again (since I had deregistered it 
    in the log shown in .48).  This time I got one of the okay
    responses, "entity exists".  So I tried the installation and
    got the same accvio.  It always happens after it tries to
    create NITWIZ_NS:.DECMCC (and gets the "entity exists" message).
    I have looked in the installation guide and can't find a
    message where it is trying to create MYNODE_NS:.DECMCC.
    What's going on with my installation?
    
    Susan
    

    I have successfully installed the demonstration.  The problem was not
    so much in the installation procedure or in DECmcc (even though DECmcc
    shouldn't accvio on a typo).  The problem was in the documentation.
    
    The installation guide should have said WHEN PROMPTED FOR AN A.C.T. CITY,
    USE ONE OF THE NAMES FROM THE LIST PROVIDED BY THE INSTALLATION
    PROCEDURE JUST BEFORE THE PROMPT, AND BE SURE TO TYPE IT CORRECTLY.
    This advice should probably go in the intallation procedure as part
    of the prompt for the city name.  It is not immediately obvious why the
    cities are being listed, especially if you happen to be giving the
    demo somewhere other than at an A.C.T. center city.  Color me dense,
    but...

    If I had correctly typed the name of a city from the list shown
    just before the prompt, I would not have had any trouble
    installing the demo.

    Susan
          

    I have tried the DECmcc 15-Minute Demo script and would like to report 
    a few problems I encountered.  Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong 
    or whether they have encountered similar problems?
    
    1. Setting alarm rules.
    
    "To show off alarms, you must first enable notification." Pull down
    File and select Enable Notification."
    
    Workstation blanks out top half of screen and informs me that
    I have no privilege to write to the MIR.
    
    >>> I was able to fix this by running MCR Authorize from the
    SYSTEM account and entering GRANT/IDENT MCC DEMO.  Why hasn't
    anyone else reported this problem?  Is this a fix I'll regret?
    Is my installation of the demo or of MCC somehow abnormal?
    
    2. Looking at child entities of the node.
    
    "Double-click on MYNODE to show child entities, 
    double-click on Link, select several of
    the Links by holding down shift key, etc....  Using the Operations
    menu, do a Show Status."
    
    So far, so good.
    
    "When the window appears, pull down Navigation and select List. Select
    the second item in the list box and click on Apply."
    
    Message window appears saying "Management Window message:
    C allocation error."  This window continues to appear each
    time I attempt this. 
    
    ???
    
    3. Showing recording and past time data.
    
    "Now use the Historian and show the recordings started during the demo
    introduction.  Pull down Operations menu, select Operations, then
    in Operations window, select Show Recording."
    
    Show Recording does not appear in the list box.  Needless to say,
    I did indeed start both the historian batch job and the
    historian recording of counters as specified in the instructions
    before reaching this point.
    
    ???
    
    4. Deleting Alarms and recording.
    
    ...
    
    "Delete the recording by selecting MYNODE, pulling down Operations
    and selecting Delete Recording."
    
    Delete Recording does not appear in the list box.
    
    ???
    
    5. Exiting the iconic map interface.
    
    "Pull down File and select Close Window.  A dialog box appears
    ... select No and you will exit from MCC."
    
    The result is:
    
    %XLIB-E-INSFMEM, insufficient dynamic memory
    %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=04, virtual
    address=00000000, PC=00344EE0, PSL=0BC00004
    
    I am using the most recent release of the demo and the DECmcc
    V1.1 SSB release.  My first question is, what's happening here,
    and my second question is, why not just say Quit instead
    of Close Window?
    
    ???
                                                

first problem appears to be that you are running for an account with
insufficient resources. Check your pagefile size (at least 50K?), and
then check the limits on the account (a bit smaller than 50K -- assuming
you are on a workstation). Now are you the only one running, or is
pagefile shared? Check the release notes for more info on what the quotas
should be set to.

As to why the recording commands don't show up, well if they aren't on the
menu they aren't in the system. Are you sure you installed the BMS kit?
Check also that you don't have another version of MCC installed, and that
they two sets of files are both present. Also I remember seeing somewhere
that the demo puts the files in non-standard directories, make sure any
logicals you were asked to setup have been done.

jill

>>first problem appears to be that you are running for an account with
>>insufficient resources. Check your pagefile size (at least 50K?), and
>>then check the limits on the account (a bit smaller than 50K -- assuming
>>you are on a workstation). Now are you the only one running, or is
>>pagefile shared? Check the release notes for more info on what the quotas
>>should be set to.


...recomended values are at least 100k

    Here is what I have found in answer to my questions.  Can someone
    explain why the List Box mode of the Operations menu appears to offer 
    a subset of the Pulldown mode operations?
    
    2. Looking at child entities of the node.
    
>    Message window appears saying "Management Window message:
>    C allocation error."  This window continues to appear each
>    time I attempt this. 
    
    At John Egolf's suggestion, I got a local system manager to look 
    at the workstation I was using for testing and apparently the way 
    the system resources were set up was insufficient for DECmcc, not 
    to mention DECwindows etc.  This problem went away after 
    various system configuration parameters were increased.  It was not 
    the account (which was the DEMO account and so had whatever the 
    creators of the demo gave it for quotas) but the system that was
    insufficiently configured.
    
    3. Showing recording and past time data.
    
    I still have been completely unsuccessful in getting Show Recording
    to show up in the Operations list box.  I quite definitely have the 
    BMS kit installed.

    I have discovered that if I select Operations Mode->Pulldown from the
    Operations menu, the Show Recording command *does* appear in the 
    Operations pulldown menu, along with a lot of other things that 
    don't appear in the Operations list box, such as Export, Show Export, 
    and so forth.  *And* they all work.

    I can only surmise that 1) there is a bug in the Iconic Map interface 
    such that not all possible operations are displaying in List Box mode, or 
    2) the demo script has a bug such that the first time it has you using 
    the Operations menu, it seems to imply that it wants you to use List Box 
    mode because it has you selecting the Operations option from the 
    Operations menu.  Then it doesn't go on to tell you that, even if you use 
    List Box mode for most operations, you still need to use Pulldown mode for 
    certain specialized operations.

    4. Deleting Alarms and recording.
    
    Same as 3.
    
    5. Exiting the iconic map interface.

    Reconfiguring system parameters fixed this problem too.

RE .23 

Thanks Fred, sometimes I only think in terms of FCL only; requirements
for running the map are much larger.

    I bet MYNODE is a domain and not a node4 at all. I expect that somehow
    either the demo install couldn't register the node, or perhaps there
    is a typo somewhere...
    
    s/rob

    
    I am having trouble installing the V1.1 demo kit.  It works fine
    until the point when it runs demo_dir:load_domain procedure, when
    it bombs out with ACCVIO error.  The previous procedure,
    demo_dir:load_cities runs fine.
    
    Given below are the vital statistics and the error log.
    
    Any ideas?
    
    
    Muhammad
    =====================================================================
    
    VMS		 = V5.4		MCC = V1.1
    Account used = DEMO (created by DEMO) and another privileged account
    		   with large quotas, such as BYTLM = 300000, PGFLQUO
    		   = 100000)
    
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    Error log
    ---------
    
    
    INDEX $ mana/enter
    DECmcc (V1.1.0)
    
    
    MCC> @demo_dir:load_cities
    
    Domain TRADE:.WORLD
    AT  3-JUL-1991 08:33:17
    
    No such entity: Domain TRADE:.WORLD
                             Unknown Entity = Domain TRADE:.WORLD
    
    Domain TRADE:.WORLD_SCALED
    AT  3-JUL-1991 08:33:29
    .
    .
    .
    Domain TRADE:.ALICE_SPRINGS
    AT  3-JUL-1991 08:38:03
    
    The requested operation cannot be completed
                      Entity Existence Info = Entity Exists
    MCC> @demo_dir:load_domain
    
    Domain TRADE:.WORLD
    AT  3-JUL-1991 08:44:05
    
    The requested operation cannot be completed
                      Entity Existence Info = Entity Exists
    
    Domain TRADE:.UNITED_STATES
    AT  3-JUL-1991 08:44:11
    
    Create Successful
    %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=01, virtual
    address=01040008, PC
    =000AADDC, PSL=03C00000
    %SYSTEM-E-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual
    address=0000000A, PC
    =0000000A, PSL=0000000F
    

	When you are prompted for an ACT site, enter one of the choices
	that is printed  just  be  fore you are prompted.  If you enter
	any site other than  one that is printed you invoke an error in
	DECmcc that we just found.    Pick  a  site  that is closest to
	where you are.  


	JCE
    

    
    RE: .58
    
    >> Pick  a  site  that is closest to
    >> where you are.
    
    I did!!!  Since I am closest to LITTLETON_MASS, that's the site
    I selected!

    re: .54, .56
    
    The operations menu contains only the directives associated with the
    selected entity.   I believe Rob is right on when he says the entity
    selected, even though it may have a different icon,  is a domain.  
    
    If you haven't already, do a Show Characteristics from 
    the iconic map.  The management window will display the entity class
    in the top portion of the box.  
    
    /Jim

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