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Title:DECmcc user notes file. Does not replace IPMT.
Notice:Use IPMT for problems. Newsletter location in note 6187
Moderator:TAEC::BEROUD
Created:Mon Aug 21 1989
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:6497
Total number of notes:27359

306.0. "DNS and NODE4 ... LINE ..." by JETSAM::WOODCOCK () Tue Sep 04 1990 15:01

Hello,

I know that DNS is required for DECmcc but I am still curious as to the
following. In using the V1.0 30 day release I found myself without a
namespace. I continued testing of phase iv entities and commands, and
found no problems communicating to routers for all the entities (node4,
circuit, area, adj node, etc.) except one. LINE entity commands seem
to be the only commands which required to communicate to the namespace
and therefore failed. Why so?? It would be a nice feeling to know I can
manage node4 entities COMPLETELY without DNS.

thanks,
...brad
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306.1line speed attribute is the reasonNAC::SCHLENERTue Sep 04 1990 16:3015
    The reason you need the DNS namespace for the LINE entity is due to the
    line speed attribute. This is an artificial attribute under LINE which
    is needed by the PA FM for certain statistics. To allow for users to
    set this attribute (along with getting its current value), it was
    decided to use the DNS namespace to store the attribute's value.
    
    I thought that the code to retrieve the value, dealt with not finding
    the line in the namespace. This may be a bug or is part of the
    philosophy. You may want to send mail to Jim Carey (I think it's
    TOOK::J_CAREY) who is the DECnet AM project leader.
    
    					Cindy
    					ex-Phase IV AM developer
    
    
306.2GOSTE::CALLANDERTue Sep 04 1990 18:305
    Jim can be reached at took::carey, and during his absence (he will
    be on vacation for a few weeks) you can contact Darry Ball
    (took::d_ball) who can help.
    
    
306.3what was the error?TOOK::DENSMOREDirty deeds done dirt cheapThu Sep 06 1990 13:576
    In Jim's absence, I have reverted to my old job as Phase IV Project
    Leader.  Could you send me a log of what happened?  (Or post it here?)
    
    Thanks.
    
    						Mike
306.4feature or bug?JETSAM::WOODCOCKThu Sep 06 1990 15:2923
>    In Jim's absence, I have reverted to my old job as Phase IV Project
>    Leader.  Could you send me a log of what happened?  (Or post it here?)
    
>    Thanks.
>    
>    						Mike

Mike,

The command was a simple SHOW command:

	Show node4 bbpk01 line syn-0 all co

The error was ; Cannot communicate with server

The error was caused because I wasn't pointing to a valid namespace hence
the error. My curiousity was why did it need to communicate at all with
the namespace (no other NODE4 subentity commands needed to)? The introduction
of a 'speed' attribute into the namespace for LINEs would explain this. The
question now becomes whether the implementation of the 'speed' attribute
is a feature or a bug????

brad...
306.5DNS is required for lots of things...TOOK::DENSMOREDirty deeds done dirt cheapFri Sep 07 1990 11:0610
    re .3
    
    Yes. The problem is that the AM is trying to determine what the Line
    Speed attribute is and cannot get to a server to find out.  Line Speed
    is a feature since PA won't work without it.  Note that lots of DECmcc
    features depend on DNS: domains, reference attributes, maps...  The
    ability to do some of the management operations without DNS is merely a
    side-effect of the way the AM works.
    
    							Mike
306.6I don't get it...TOOK::PLOUFFEJerryFri Sep 07 1990 12:1828
    RE: <<< Note 306.5 by TOOK::DENSMORE "Dirty deeds done dirt cheap" >>>
        -< DNS is required for lots of things... >-

    
>    Yes. The problem is that the AM is trying to determine what the Line
>    Speed attribute is and cannot get to a server to find out.  Line Speed
>    is a feature since PA won't work without it.  Note that lots of DECmcc
>    features depend on DNS: domains, reference attributes, maps...  The
>    ability to do some of the management operations without DNS is merely a
>    side-effect of the way the AM works.
    
   Mike:

     I still don't understand...

     Brad was doing a SHOW ... ALL COUNTERS command.  Is line speed considered
     to be a counter?  Is it used to "calculate" any of these counters?  I hope
     not.

     I can understand that SHOW ... ALL STATISTICS might not work if the DNS
     namespace was unavailable (or undefined), but ALL COUNTERS should still
     work.

     Isn't line speed a REFERENCE attribute?

                                                                        - Jerry