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Title:DECmcc user notes file. Does not replace IPMT.
Notice:Use IPMT for problems. Newsletter location in note 6187
Moderator:TAEC::BEROUD
Created:Mon Aug 21 1989
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:6497
Total number of notes:27359

34.0. "MCC VERB " by WAYWRD::DULMAINE () Fri Dec 15 1989 10:16


	HELLO, I installed DECmcc about a week ago. I notice that the DCLTABLES
	have MCC as the invocation name/symbol.

	The net effect that this had was it prevented our CLuster from
	booting the next time we did a reboot. This reboot caused our
	systems to hang during reboot phase because our COM files
	that do installs for other layered products use


		$ MC install your product.

	Now I admit that using just MC instead of MCR would fix the 
	problem, but we have numerous com files with MC. Even our
	software product installation *com files that we send to the Field
	have it as MC.  The point is that MCC clobers us.

	Would it be possible to Change DCL invocation Symbol to be
	something like DECmcc. I don't know how many other sites have
	run into this or will in the future, but it may be worth considering.

	I'm new to MCC product and not trying to sound like a NIT PICK.
	And I'm sure that you all have many more higher Priorities.

	Let me know if I'm all WET or if this is simply unreasonable.


	Regards
	Art DULMAINE
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34.1a work-aroundTOOK::DITMARSPeteFri Dec 15 1989 14:3842
Hi Art,

I'm too new to the MCC group to give you an "official" reply, but I'm sure the
powers that be around here appreciate you pointing your problem out.

Here's an unofficial suggestion for a work-around.

How about adding a command to the system command table, like the following:

define verb MC
        cliroutine MCR
        cliflags(foreign)

To do that, put the above three lines in a file (MC.CLD) and do a 

$ SET COMMAND/TABLE=SYS$LIBRARY:DCLTABLES/OUTPUT=SYS$LIBRARY:DCLTABLES MC.CLD

You could even do it as part of your product installations, since you're 
relying on "MC" to mean "MCR" anyway and you never know what target machines
will be running MCC.

regards,

Pete

p.s.

In your installation kits, you'll need to do one of the following to get the
actual definition of the MC command into your process' command table:

$ SET COMMAND MC.CLD 		! using the above MC.CLD file, using VMI$KWD
				! etc.

$ SET COMMAND/TABLE=SYS$LIBRARY:DCLTABLES 
				! after you've successfully added the MC
				! command to DCLTABLES using the 
				! SET COMMAND/TABLE/OUTPUT command

p.p.s.

My work-around suggestion is probably a huge violation of some DCL 
clearinghouse recommendation, and someone will come slap me around soon.  8^)
34.2somewhat easier than that...CASEE::ANKANPick the C-FrameMon Dec 18 1989 09:429
I use the following in my SYLOGIN.COM

$ MC*R :== MCR

simple, works well and does not require any DCLTABLE modification...

I did however come accross one or two installation procedures (which does
a DEL/SYMB/GLOB/ALL), which fail due to MCC... anyway installation procedures
should not use MC or even MCR to invoke images...
34.3A change is already underway...KEEL::SAVAGEPeter SavageMon Dec 18 1989 13:5110
    Art,
    
    Thanks for your note.  The MCC CLD WILL be revisted for external
    field test of the product.  We have outlined and submitted our proposed
    syntax to the DCL review board and we are currently working through
    the process.  One this has been completed. MCC will no longer use of
    the MCC DCL verb.

    Thanks
    Peter
34.4Thanks for the Quick response MEIS::DULMAINEWed Dec 27 1989 11:2515

	GENTLEMEN; Pete Ditmars, Mr ANKAN and Pete Savage

	Thanks for the Quick response on this. I think that the 
	real issues was the MCC verb. I'm glad to see that MCC verb
	will no longer be used in External FT.

	This will be a great product as it evolves.

	Regards
	Art Dulmaine
	MEIS
34.5What is the current status?KYOA::KOCHMy brother did not lose the electionSun May 06 1990 10:071
	Is there a current update on the MCC DCL verb?
34.6new MANAGE syntaxGOSTE::CALLANDERTue May 08 1990 12:3419
    Yes, with the release of the EFT update kit (due out shortly), the
    MCC verb is going away. The new syntax uses the MANAGE verb as the
    base keyword for all of the "MCC" components.
    
    The following are examples of the new sytax:
    (Please note that some changes are still underway in finalizing
    this syntax.)
    
    	manage/enterprise		replaces MCC
    	manage/toolkit/dictionary	replaces DAP
    	manage/toolkit/help_builder	replaces MCC$HFB
    	manage/toolkit/parse_builder	replaces MCC$PTB
    
    I think you get the idea. We will be distribuing VMS level help
    for inclusion into your on-line help library with the EFT update.
    This will describe the new syntax in detail.
    
    jill
34.7And cleanup as well?NSSG::R_SPENCEMon May 14 1990 23:284
    An I presume, you will update our DCL tables to REMOVE the current MCC
    verb as well in the EFT Update?
    
    s/rob
34.8done for x0.10.0 baselevelPETE::BURGESSTue May 15 1990 12:263
Yes, this has been done for baselevel x0.10.0...
and will be done for the eft update kit.
\Pete