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Conference hydra::axp-developer

Title:Alpha Developer Support
Notice:[email protected], 800-332-4786
Moderator:HYDRA::SYSTEM
Created:Mon Jun 06 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3722
Total number of notes:11359

3487.0. "Neasi-Weber International" by AMCUCS::SWIERKOWSKI (Quot homines tot sententiae) Mon Apr 14 1997 21:09

    Company Name :  Neasi-Weber International
    Contact Name :  Harold Galo
    Phone        :  (818) 895-6900 x-6932
    Fax          :  
    Email        :  "[email protected]"
    Date/Time in :  14-APR-1997 17:01 
    Originally entered by :  SWIERKOWSKI
    SPE center   :  PAG

    Category     :  - unknown - (I'm guessing OpenVMS Alpha)
    OS Version   :  - unknown -
    System H/W   :  - unknown -


    Brief Description of Problem:
    -----------------------------

  Wants to know how to pull a single file out of a saveset (I think?), telephone
tag in progress...

						Tony Swierkowski
						Digital Equipment Corporation
						Software Partner Engineering
						Palo Alto, California
						(415) 617-3601
						"[email protected]"
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3487.1Call closed...AMCUCS::SWIERKOWSKIQuot homines tot sententiaeMon Apr 14 1997 21:2826
Greetings!

  Took another guess at the external extension (its really 5xxxx, not xxxx) 
using their voicemail system and Harold really wants to be able to do fast
(i.e. random-acess, directory-structured I/O) to a tape drive.  He didn't 
understand that he has no choice but to serially walk his way through the 
saveset at tape speed.  I suggested that if this is a saveset he references 
regularly, he might consider copying the whole thing to a disk and using 
/SAVE_SET when referencing the saveset on disk to pull individual files out.  
Call closed...

						Tony Swierkowski
						Digital Equipment Corporation
						Software Partner Engineering
						Palo Alto, California
						(415) 617-3601
						"[email protected]"


P.S.	Trivial pursuit time: 
	FWIW, DEC (not Digital back then) did make a "random-access" tape or 
	two in the past - any old-timers out there remember the last one that
	was deployed in any volume? (Hint: Think console load media on a ???)
	Extra points if you can name the "random-access" tape used on two
	previous architecture platforms (one of which was seen in "Three Days
	of the Condor")...
3487.2HYDRA::NEWMANChuck Newman, 508/467-5499 (DTN 297), MRO1-3/F26Tue Apr 15 1997 10:374
One must have been an 11/750, right?  I know the 11/780's used an RX02.  I can't
remember what was on the 11/730 -- never actually used one of 'em.

								-- Chuck Newman
3487.3You're thinking of the TU58...AMCUCS::SWIERKOWSKIQuot homines tot sententiaeTue Apr 15 1997 14:2628
Greetings!

>One must have been an 11/750, right?  I know the 11/780's used an RX02.  I can't
>remember what was on the 11/730 -- never actually used one of 'em.

  Good guess!  The device was the TU58 and was the console media used on the
2'nd implementation of the VAX archicture (the VAX 11/750 a.k.a. "COMET").
The VAX 11/730 (a.k.a. the "NEBULA") also used the TU58 and of course was the
3'rd implementation of the VAX architecture.  The first implementation of the 
VAX archicture (the VAX 11/780 a.k.a. "STAR") used an RX02 connected to a
standalone LSI-11 as an independant console subsystem.  If memory serves, since
the first VAX was codenamed "STAR", the first operating system (i.e. VAX/VMS)
was codenamed "STARLET" - references to which abound in the operating system
to this day... 

  The two previous architectures (PDP-11 and PDP-8) both had implementations
that made use of a funny little reel-to-reel drive commonly referred to as the
"DECtape" for small, reasonbly fast, cheap storage. I suspect that by today's
standards both of these "random-access" tape drives probably didn't have the 
storage capacity of a digital wristwatch today...


						Tony Swierkowski

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>  "640K ought to be enough for anybody."
>       -- Bill Gates, 1981
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3487.4HYDRA::SCHAFERMark Schafer, SPE MROTue Apr 15 1997 15:553
    common guys, get your brain in gear.  STAR used an RX01, not the RX02.
    
    Mark  :-)
3487.5Call closed...AMCUCS::SWIERKOWSKIQuot homines tot sententiaeFri Apr 18 1997 12:5613
Greetings!

  Mark's right, but later 11/780's really did use RX02's, but strapped for
"single" density to emulate RX01's if memory serves, call closed too BTW...



						Tony Swierkowski
						Digital Equipment Corporation
						Software Partner Engineering
						Palo Alto, California
						(415) 617-3601
						"[email protected]"