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Title:Alpha Developer Support
Notice:[email protected], 800-332-4786
Moderator:HYDRA::SYSTEM
Created:Mon Jun 06 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3722
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3426.0. "Front Capital Systems - Point 24220" by KZIN::ASAP () Tue Apr 01 1997 10:36

    Company Name :  Front Capital Systems - Point 24220
    Contact Name :  Per Lindberg
    Phone        :  46 8 454 00 00
    Fax          :  
    Email        :  [email protected]
    Date/Time in :   1-APR-1997 15:36:24
    Entered by   :  Simon Cole
    SPE center   :  REO

    Category     :  VMS
    OS Version   :  
    System H/W   :  


    Brief Description of Problem:
    -----------------------------

From:	ESSB::ESSB::MRGATE::"ILO::ESSC::notre"  1-APR-1997 14:41:52.65
To:	RDGENG::ASAP
CC:	
Subj:	ESCALATION: POINT 24220 , Front Capital Systems TO ASAP READING:      

From:	NAME: ESCTECH@ILO            
	TEL: (822-)6704            
	ADDR: ILO                    <notre@ESSC@ILO>
To:	ASAP@RDGENG@MRGATE

Hello - 

POINT Log Number	 
24220

Company Name 	
Front Capital Systems,

Engineers name	
Per Lindberg

Telephone Number 		
SWEDEN - 46 8 454 00 00

Fax Number		

E-mail Address	
[email protected]


Hi, 

Could please take care of this query from ASAP member ( D60617 ) ?
He sent me this following info.

Thanks in advance

Regards

Francois

===============================================================================
========
Dear Francois,

I just want to confirm that I am awaiting your response to my
call for technical help.

If it is any help for you, here are some details om my problem.
I hope this will help you find the right person.

-----------

We have migrated our client-server applications from DECnet IV
to DECnet/OSI. It works fine on DECnet/OSI version 6.1, but
not on DECnet/OSI version 6.3.

The software runs on VMS, is written in C, and uses the
VMS QIO API to DECnet, using what DEC calls "non-transparant
task-to-task communication".

The problem is this: when the DECnet connection is physically
broken, a SYSTEM-F-PATHLOST event is signalled. As per the
API documentation, I have both a VMS I/O channel and an
associated VMS Mailbox. I also have an asynchronous QIO READ
operation pending on both, with associated AST callback functions.
When an event like SYSTEM-F-PATHLOST occurs, both AST functions
should be called. The AST for the channel read QIO should have
SYSTEM-F-PATHLOST in the associated IOSB I/O Status Block.
The AST for the mailbox read QIO should read a MSG$_PATHLOST
message.

This happens on DECnet IV, DECnet/OSI 6.1 but *not* on DECnet/OSI
6.3, where the mailbox message never arrives. This confuses our
software, since the DECnet channel now is in an unspecified state.
(I can go into lots of more detail on the latter subject, if needed).

Please help!

Best regards,

Per Lindberg ([email protected])         !      __!__        Ceci n'est pas
Front Capital Systems, Box 70351,   !  _____(_)_____    un Piper
10724 Stockholm Sweden. 46-84540000 !     !  !  !

Problem Statement		

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3426.1HELP::DECNET-OSI_FOR_VMS 3914.0HYDRA::AXPDEVELOPERAlpha Developer supportWed Apr 02 1997 10:4521
From:	HYDRA::AXPDEVELOPER "[email protected]"  2-APR-1997 09:43:42.11
To:	SMTP%"[email protected]"
CC:	AXPDEVELOPER
Subj:	A: more info about DECnet/OSI

Regards,

I'm trying to learn more about the problem you are experiencing with the 
DECnet/OSI API.  Please detail the environment where it works and does not work.

Architecture: VAX or Alpha
Operating system version:
DECnet/OSI version:

I've given your preliminary problem report to DECnet engineering and hope to
hear what they say about the problem.

Thank you,

Mark Schafer
Alpha Developer Support
3426.2HYDRA::AXPDEVELOPERAlpha Developer supportThu Apr 03 1997 10:2294
From:	SMTP%"[email protected]"  3-APR-1997 06:04:43.32
To:	[email protected]
CC:	
Subj:	Re: A: more info about DECnet/OSI

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[email protected] wrote:
> 
> Regards,
> 
> I'm trying to learn more about the problem you are experiencing with the
> DECnet/OSI API.  Please detail the environment where it works and does not work.
> 
> Architecture: VAX or Alpha
> Operating system version:
> DECnet/OSI version:
> 
> I've given your preliminary problem report to DECnet engineering and hope to
> hear what they say about the problem.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Mark Schafer
> Alpha Developer Support

Here is the supplemental information you asked for.

Architecture: Alpha (AlphaStation 250 4/266)
Operating system version: OpenVMS 6.2-1H3
DECnet/OSI version: 6.3

The last question makes me think that you perhaps have not received
the problem decription I mailed to Francois Notre. I therefore
include my original problem description once again below.
Please pass it to DECnet engineering without changes.

-----------

We have migrated our client-server applications from DECnet IV
to DECnet/OSI. It works fine on DECnet/OSI version 6.1, but
not on DECnet/OSI version 6.3.

The software runs on VMS, is written in C, and uses the
VMS QIO API to DECnet, using what DEC calls "non-transparant
task-to-task communication".

The problem is this: when the DECnet connection is physically
broken, a SYSTEM-F-PATHLOST event is signalled. As per the
API documentation, I have both a VMS I/O channel and an
associated VMS Mailbox. I also have an asynchronous QIO READ
operation pending on both, with associated AST callback functions.
When an event like SYSTEM-F-PATHLOST occurs, both AST functions
should be called. The AST for the channel read QIO should have
SYSTEM-F-PATHLOST in the associated IOSB I/O Status Block.
The AST for the mailbox read QIO should read a MSG$_PATHLOST
message.

This happens on DECnet IV, DECnet/OSI 6.1 but *not* on DECnet/OSI
6.3, where the mailbox message never arrives. This confuses our
software, since the DECnet channel now is in an unspecified state.
(I can go into lots of more detail on the latter subject, if needed).

----------

Hope this helps.

Best regards,

-- 
Per Lindberg ([email protected])         !      __!__        Ceci n'est pas
Front Capital Systems, Box 70351,   !  _____(_)_____    un Piper
10724 Stockholm Sweden. 46-84540000 !     !  !  !
3426.3HYDRA::AXPDEVELOPERAlpha Developer supportThu Apr 03 1997 10:3918
From:	HYDRA::AXPDEVELOPER "[email protected]"  3-APR-1997 09:38:31.84
To:	SMTP%"[email protected]"
CC:	AXPDEVELOPER
Subj:	Re: A: more info about DECnet/OSI

Thanks for the additional info.  I presume that this is the environment that is
not working.  Did it work on the same system when it was running DECnet/OSI
V6.1?

Please note that there are ECOs for DECnet/OSI V6.3 available in the public
patch area on the Internet at
ftp://ftp.service.digital.com/public/vms/axp/v6.2/decnetosi/6.3/
It would appear to me that the problem you describe is listed in the README.

Please consider this patch, or upgrading to a later version.

Mark Schafer
Alpha Developer Support
3426.4HYDRA::AXPDEVELOPERAlpha Developer supportThu Apr 03 1997 17:0264
From:	SMTP%"[email protected]"  3-APR-1997 16:01:20.45
To:	[email protected]
CC:	
Subj:	Re: A: more info about DECnet/OSI

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[email protected] wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the additional info.  I presume that this is the environment that is
> not working.

Yep.

> Did it work on the same system when it was running DECnet/OSI V6.1?

I presume that you mean the exact same piece of hardware.

I *beleive* that we first ran the tests on the same machine with 6.1,
and failed to see the problem. Then we upgraded to 6.3 and then the
problem could be seen. I'm not 100% sure on this, but quite sure.

> Please note that there are ECOs for DECnet/OSI V6.3 available in the public
> patch area on the Internet at
> ftp://ftp.service.digital.com/public/vms/axp/v6.2/decnetosi/6.3/
> It would appear to me that the problem you describe is listed in the README.

Thank you, I'll have a look!

> Please consider this patch, or upgrading to a later version.

We will. If there are any official recommendations from DEC on
later versions, please let me know.

Thanks for the quick reply. I will mail you again to let you know
if your suggested solution works.

Best regards,

-- 
Per Lindberg ([email protected])         !      __!__        Ceci n'est pas
Front Capital Systems, Box 70351,   !  _____(_)_____    un Piper
10724 Stockholm Sweden. 46-84540000 !     !  !  !