Conference waylay::singles_chat

    Did anyone catch that comedy "Naked Truth" last night?  It
    was on between Seinfeld and ER.  (Thursday is the only night
    I actually watch tv.)  
    
    The had a line in that program that just floored me!  And I'm
    going to be a tease here - but I'm even a bit embarassed to
    put it in here.
    
    Did anyone see this?  Do you know what I mean?  I laughed so
    hard!
    							cj *->

    	Sorry cj - I was sleeping by then...
    
    j

    Yes cj I know what your refering too.  I think it's best to let it 
    rest, or you most likely will have a feeding frenzy all day......
    
    JP

    Wow! Wolfs Moon last night. Fangs came out, grew hair all over that I
    never thought I had. And even my famed lizards tail grew fur on it.
    Man! Glad this only happens once a year! 
    
    Woof!

    	Well I got the scoop in mail and it sounds like it was a
    *priceless* scene...
    
    joyce

    
    come on spill!!!
    
    	Jan

    	Gee, I watched it, and I don't even know what you're talking about!

    
    	cj is right!! I don't think it needs discussing here-- men might
    er... have a lot to say on the subject...
    
    but it's sooooooo true!!! er, sometimes,
    Jan

    Well, I certainly would never encourage the debate as to
    whether or not it's true..  I just dropped my chops that
    they even said it and took that shot at men.  And the 
    guy's delivery was perfect!
    
    						cj *->

	Are we talking about "shrinkage"?? (A seemingly popular
	topic on Thursday nights Must See TV)

							mike

    nope...I'll send it off line...
    					cj

    what.....
    
    what.....
    
    what..... are you guys talking about????? It must be funny as heck if
    not true but I'm dying to know!!!!!!!!!!
    
    James >:-p

    me TOO!.. could somebody send me the explanation off-line? 
    
    Please?
    
    

    My curiosity is peaked !! What was it ?!?
    
    
    Brian

    	All I have to say is it didn't have to do with being heterosexual -
    and if you still want to know - sen cj mail :-)
    
    joyce

    Snicker..... umm.. heh.... yeah....
    
    It was quite cute... 
    
    James

    	anyone ever do the meyers/briggs personality typing?
    
    ESFJ - "Warmhearted, talkative, popular, conscientious, born
    cooperators, active committee members.  Need harmony and may be good at
    creating it.  Always doing something nice for someone.  Work best with
    encouragement and praise.  Little interest in abstract thinking or
    technical subjects.  Main interst is in things that directly and
    visibly affect people's lives."
    
    	Got a good chuckle when I found this...
    
    catch you all later - enjoy your week-end!
    
    joyce

    
    	Yeah, we did that about 3 years ago here ... I forgot what I was,
    	but I'm sure I have the profile summary laying around somewhere.
    
    	Mine started with "I" ... I remember that much.
    

    
      ENTJ.
    
      Which is why you'll never see me in here.
    
      db

    	Shawn - you and "introver" I never would have guessed :-)
    
    	ENTJ - I'll have to look that up when I get home...
    
    joyce

    re. 84
    
    Is this the same Dave Bellew that worked in MSD Engineering on 5-5 and
    bowled in a candlepin league in Leominster?
    
    joyce

    
    	RE: Joyce
    
    	Wait, it's coming back to me know ... I think I was an ISTP.
    

    ENTP .... this was a LONG time ago, but only seems to be more true as I
    re-read.
    
    here's the list of characteristics that outline your primary concerns, 
    you'll have to put your own combinations together.  There are four
    categories, and you have 2 choices in each category.  It's important to 
    do the whole test, because it's not all black and white, and while you
    might score out as, say an introvert, your extrovert score may be very
    close.  Personally, I believe that at different times your personality
    has different traits, for example, while at work I tend to be very
    extroverted, when I'm at home, I tend to be much more introverted.  I
    test out as more intuitive than sensing, but only BARELY (by 3 pts).
    
    It's fun, and seems to hold true ....  at the end of each category, is
    the percentages of the general population, that hold this trait.
    
    
    Source of Energy:  The traits that make you feel renewed/alive and 
    =================  satisfied.  While you may do fine in either category
    		       strength is usually derived from one more than the
    		       other.  Think of "What makes me happy/picks me up?"
    Extrovert(E) 		Introvert(I)
    ---------			---------
    Sociability                 Territoriality
    Interaction			Concentration
    External			Internal
    Breadth			Depth
    Extensive			Intensive
    Multiple Relationships	Limited Relationships
    Energy Expenditures		Energy Conservations
    External Events		Internal Reactions
    Gregarious			Reflective
    Speak, then think		Think, then speak
        70%				30%
    
    
    Information Gathering: This is in part of the decision making process,
    ====================== and how you gather and weigh your information.
    			   Think of going with your "head" or your "gut"
    
    Sensor(S)			Intuitive(N)
    ---------			------------
    Sequential			Random
    Present			Future
    Realistic			Conceptual
    Perspiration		Inspirational
    Actual			Theoretical
    Down-to-earth		Head-in-clouds
    Fact			Fantasy
    Practicality		Ingenuity
    Specific			General
	70%			   30%
    
    Decision Making: This is what you DO with the information that you've
    ================ just gathered, and how you apply that to your life. 
    		     Again, your head or your heart.  What's right or what
    		     FEELS right?
    Thinkers(T)			Feelers(F)
    -----------			----------
    Objective			Subjective
    Firm-Minded			Fair-hearted
    Laws			Circumstances
    Firmness			Persuasion
    Just			Humane
    Clarity			Harmony
    Critique			Appreciate
    Policy			Social Values
    Detached			Involved
        50%			   50%
     2/3 male			 2/3 female
    
    Life-Style Orientation: This is kind of 'how you live' what you do on
    ======================  the day to day, what your values are, whether 
    			    you are more structured, or more flowing, and
    			    how you will react/seek out.
    Judgers(J)			Perceivers(P)
    ----------			-------------
    Resolved			Pending
    Decided			Wait and See
    Fixed			Flexible
    Control			Adapt
    Closure			Openness
    Planned			Open-minded
    Structure			Flow
    Definite			Tentative
    Scheduled			Spontaneous
    Deadline			What Deadline???
       55%			    45%
    
    

>                       <<< Note 25.84 by LANDO::BELLEW >>>
>                              -< too engineerish >-

    
>      ENTJ.
    
>      Which is why you'll never see me in here.
    
>      db

Hi Dave.  ;-)  Wondered if you were one of the lurkers.  ;-)

B

    	I loved the Pepsi/Grizzly commercial shown during the Super Bowl,
    done to the YMCA tune...
    
    joyce

    Hi,
    
    Wow, its quiet in here today!  Is anybody out there?
    
    

    	I'm here...   Been busy on the Customer line though - so what else
    is new :-)
    
    j

I do not know about a lot of people, but I woke up
with a case of the Jumbalya Flu....

Too many Super Beers...

    	Its also a "typical Monday" :-(
    
    j

    
    	I think my PC is fried, so I'm still trying to get it to do some-
    	thing besides generate GPF errors and logs.
    
    	However, since I'm very PC-illiterate when it comes to problems,
    	this merely mean that I keep shutting it off and re-starting it
    	in hopes that it decides to do something useful in the near fut-
    	ure.
    

    re .94
    
    Joyce. Not a typical Monday. Mondays are normally bad. This one has
    been sheer hell :-)
    
    J

>    	I loved the Pepsi/Grizzly commercial shown during the Super Bowl,
>    done to the YMCA tune...
    
Yes!  "God help us if they learn the macarena!"  That was great!!

And the Nissan one with the pigeons and John Ratzen...ah, forget his last
name...Cliff's voice!

       My favorite was the one in the power plant. Guy sitting in front of
    a huge wall mapped type of console. Flash to a city where all of the 
    lights start to go out. Flash to the console where alarms start
    sounding.. The guy gets up and starts running. Comes to a door marked
    authorized personnel or?? Walks in to find a very confused looking
    cleaning lady. She had a bottle of bud in her hand. He takes the bottle
    and places it on a tray which has an eerie light shining on it and
    carefully rotates the label to the left. The camera then pans over to
    a hamster on an exercise wheel. Seeing the bottle of bud it starts
    running and suddenly the lights all come on :-) Too funny!!
    
    
    bob

    	That was kinda cute - but I still liked the Pepsi bears best :-)
    
    joyce

I thought the Compuserve commercial was great.

1-800-not-busy

But then again, AOL has a special place in my heart, NOT.

daryll

    
    the Nissan commercial with the pigeons was the best of show....
    
    	when they were chasing the car, and doing the "bombing runs" I
    thought I'd die laughing.... ever been in a large park and have some
    kid run into a flock of pigeons on the ground??  they take off-- and
    do the same thing--- 	"Incoming!!!"

    	That must be the one where I saw this bird fly into a garage... 
    Missed it Jan and I still like the Pepsi Bears!!! :-)
    
    joyce

    
    	RE: .98
    
    	That's the only commercial I actually noticed, and I liked it.
    

>    	That must be the one where I saw this bird fly into a garage... 

Yup, that was it!  ;-)

Yeah, I liked the Bud power plant one too.  Lots of good ones!

    I have a confession.  I didn't watch the Superbowl.  I'm commercial 
    illiterate.  Can anyone suggest a support group?  
    
    	A friend and I ate out at this restaurant that had the Superbowl 
    airing, but we could only hear a few people rooting for the Patriots.  
    I thought they were winning.    
    
    The place was practically empty.  I felt like we were eating at the 
    TWILIGHT ZONE.
    
    Karyn   

    
    re:-.1
    
         Err, don't feel bad. The only part of the superbowl I watched
            was the commercials! Couldn't stand the rest.
    
         Mike_not_a_sports_nut

    The commercials were great... This was my third attempt at watching
    football.. I don't get it...  now, give me a good hockey game.. that I
    get.. (-;
    
    

	Funny - I think hockey is almost as boring as watching golf or
fishing on TV.  Football (American) is only mildly more interesting.  Soccer
might be more fun if I knew all the rules.  Baseball is better in person than
on TV.

	Basketball would be my preferred sport - either in person or on TV.  I
used to be a big fan when the Celtic were good.  Now, eh...


							--Doug

    	Give me football, hoop or baseball in person - my absolute choice,
    but I'll deal with on tv if I have to - hockey - not on my list :-)
    
    joyce

	Hurling.. By far one of the most incredible games to
	watch..

							mike

    H-O-C-K-E-Y
    
    now yer talkin. :-)
    
    12 grown men chasing a minute piece of otherwise useless hard rubber
    and practically killing each other for it. Sucha true representation of
    life in reality. It's no wonder I love the game ;-/
    
    heh
    
    James

    
    re:-.1
    
         Mike, do you mean curling? That wonderful sport with the
            ice, brooms and a big rock with a handle in it?
    
         Personally, can't stand any of it... on TV or live.
    
         To each their own...
    
                                                             Bye,
                                                              Mike.

    How bout having fishin feaver! I mean I have discovered what a Smurf
    fishing pole, a catnip mouse, two stoned out of their head house cats,
    and a fishing net can do for cabin feaver. Every try landing Fluffy a
    12 pound cat on a 2 pound tess smurf pole! She put up one hellofafight!
    But in the end, I neetet her good!:) Then gave her milk, more catnip,
    and a good pat as she purred in my lap.:)
    
    

    re .113 
    
    we *REALLY* have to get you out... 
    
    :-)
    
    Jimbo

    
    I'm not much for watching hockey on TV.. but I went to a few games last
    year and got hooked big time.. there is something about sitting right
    there.. the time seems to just fly by.. I love it!
    
    

    .114 or reading too much Hemmingways 'old man of the sea'.:)

    	I'm craving a Chili's Sunday - in the cinnamon shell!  Must be due
    to the chocolate chip cookie deficit today :-(  
    
    joyce 
    

    .116  
    
    I'm reading Hemmingway's "And the Sun also Rises."  They go for drinks 
    alot.  He's said a couple of profound things, but I don't know if I'll 
    read more of his books at this rate.  Reminds me of Jack Kerowack(sp?)
    
    Karyn

    
>    I'm reading Hemmingway's "And the Sun also Rises." 
    
    One of my favorite books.  I guess I can relate to the main character
    Jake.  Not necessarily profound or anything, more of a general life
    outlook...
    
    glenn
    

    I think Jack read Hemmingway.:) Haven't read Jack (feecies/sh*t) for
    books lately. Just yucking it up with the cats and the smurf fishing
    pole.:) Wanna read Kerowack(sp), the beat generation writer.:)
    
    

    .119
    
    Jake seems kinda balanced to me most of the time, except when Britt Ashley
    shows up. 
    
      

>    Jake seems kinda balanced to me most of the time, except when Britt Ashley
>    shows up. 
    
    Just like real life... ;-)
    
    
    glenn
    

    
    	RE: .119/.118
    
    	I thought Connery and Snipes did a great job in the movie.
    

    .123
    
    I think that was "The Rising Sun" by a real famous author.  Can't 
    think of his name.  The same one that did Jerassic(sp) Park.  I like 
    his books though.  
    

    re .124
    
    Jurassic Park - Michael Crichendon - did I spell that right Daryll? :-P
    
    joyce

    
    	Not even close ... Crichton.  8^)
    
    	He is also the creator of "ER".
    

    re .126
    
    I had the "Crich" correct...   
    
    Hey wait you're not Daryll!
    
    joyce

    
    	No, I'm smarter and much better looking.
    
    	Thanks for noticing.
    

    re .128  Shawn -
    
    You don't have a snowball's chance in hell...
    
    joyce

RE: .112

	Curling? No, no... Hurling.. An ancient Irish sport. Much like
	field hockey and lacrosse, only played with a small heavy leather
	ball and a very solid wooden stick. It's been known to get
	rather bloody at times. :)

	Another good sport to watch is snowmobile grass drags.

							mike

    
    >	Another good sport to watch is snowmobile grass drags.
    
    
    	1) Take hit off of bong.
    	2) Race wildly around frozen lake.
    
    	Repeat steps 1-2 until someone gets seriously hurt.
    

    
    re: .130
    
         Ah, I see now, had no idea what hurling was, no big surprise
            there, but after a little bit of ye old web browsing found
            it...
    
         Tell me, is there any sport that Europeans play with protective
            equipment?
    
                                                           Bye,
                                                            Mike.

    	ENTJ - Hearty, frank, decisive, leaders in activities.  Usually
    good in anything that requires reasoning and intelligent talk, such as
    public speaking.  Are usually well-informed and enjoy adding to their
    fund of knowledge.  May sometimes be more positive and confident than
    their experience in an area warrants.
    	
    	Perhaps:  Douglas MacArthur, Frank Lloyd Wright, Henry Kissinger, 
    Eleanor Roosevelt.
    
    	ISTP - Cool onlookers - quiet, reserved, observing and analyzing
    life with detached curiosity and unexpected flashes of original humor. 
    Usually interested in impersonal principles, cause and effect, how and
    why mechanical things work.  Exert themselves no more than they think
    necessary, because any waste of energy would be inefficient.
    
    	Perhaps:  Red Adair, Burt Reynolds, Evel Knieve.
    
    
    	ESFJ's Perhaps:  Felix Unger, Dwight Eisenhower (great company) :-)
    
    
    joyce

Joyce,

It's not nice to shatter Shawn's little world that way....

    .132 re protective equipment: No, just tape over the ears of the Aussie
    rules football players. This is so their ears don't get ripped off
    their heads. ARg!
    
    

RE: .131

	There's more to snowmobiling than that Shawn. Just as there
	is more to people who like heavy metal music.

RE: .132

	I went to a game a couple of years ago at Dilboy Field in
	Boston. I was shocked to see them wearing helmets. Of course,
	that didn't stop them from a few broken fingers. :)

						mike

    
    	Mike, perhaps you missed the humor in "snowmobile grass drags".
    

	Doh! My apologies Shawn.. I had just finished reading a couple
	of articles that were bashing snowmobilers and just read yours
	the wrong way.. Sorry 'bout that.. It's much funnier now. :)

							mike

    
    	Got my decree Nisi on 10/31/96 - seemed to be an appropriate 
    date :-)  -  which means...
    
    
    
    	Today its absolute - over - done - finished - I'm free...
    
    joyce 

    Congratulations on the closure Joyce.      
      
    

    
    	Thanks - congratulations is perfectly acceptable - appreciated in
    fact!
    
    joyce

    
       congratulations joyce!
    
        Rosie

    Ok, you brains that be...  why did the heat stop working in
    my car?  (other than the obvious curse of cold I'm carrying
    around with me).   The fan is working fine, but blowing cold
    air.  Thankfully it isn't too awful cold out today so my hour's
    commute this morning was comfortable enough.
    
    It was wonderful driving home last night in my cold car to
    get to my cold house because, of course, my heat wasn't working
    and the repair man didn't come until 5:30.  Thus...putting me
    in their overtime hours.  I called them and left work early to
    try to avoid that, but...
    
    And speaking of cold...you should hear just how lovely my voice
    is today after coughing it away yesterday and last night.  I
    could do voice-overs for cartoon characters today.  Actually glad
    I can't make it out with the "crew" tomorrow night.  They'd be
    laughing at me comenting on what a "quiet" night it is. (Nah,
    joyce would just get to talk even more ;-> )
    
    I'm smiling away and doing the old "don't get discouraged" chant, 
    over and over and over...in my head  :-)
    
    							cj *->

    
    	Probably the heater coil and I hate to say it - $$$$$$$$$$$$ - of
    course this is based on my *limited* knowledge of cars...
    
    	Actually I do hope you take care of yourself and get better, I
    wouldn't want you to come and cough on us and infect us :-)
    
    joyce

thermostat. $5.00

    cj,
    
    Joyce is on the right track.  It could be the heater core, but most
    definitely its in the cooling system (radiator, heater core,
    waterpump, hoses).  
    
    Have you checked the coolant level in the radiator?  Is there any
    coolant leaking, look for puddle of antifreeze under your car where it
    is parked.  
    
    You should find out what's wrong quickly, because if you are driving
    the car with the coolant level low or empty, you run the risk of futher
    damage to the engine.
    
    Greg

    	
    	My ex was a mechanic so I took a blind stab :-)   Not to mention
    that's the only car thing I ever listened to him about - the damn 
    heater core that had to be changed...
    
    joyce

cj,

How long has it been since your coolant has been replaced. I'm 
still guessing that barring a leak, your thermostat is stuck 
open. If the system isn't leaking and the coolant level is ok, 
that is the absolute first place to go to. It's a cheap and easy 
fix. If your heater core were going, it would be leaking and in 
many cases, the leak would be inside the car. If your coolant 
level was drastically low, you'd be overheating as well, even in 
this weather.

daryll

    Nodz.. sounds like a thermostat problem. This is the best case scenario
    so keep your fingers crossed. Very cheap part, but unless you have a
    warm place to work, get someone to put it in for you.
    
    Jim

    
    Yeah, but with her commute, even with the thermo stuck open, she'd
    eventually get SOME heat.
    
    I vote for either the thermo stuck closed (still only $5.00 part, and
    probably $20.00 labor), or an ice block in the cooling system.
    
    Do you have a temperature gauge?  Is it running any hotter than normal.
    I agree that the core seems unlikely.  When I had a leaky core, and
    turned the heat on, the car would fill up with white smoke.  You just
    KNEW that that had to be good for you.
    
    The car's only a couple years old, right?  Whether coolant's been
    changed or not shouldn't be an issue yet.
    
    Or there's "no" coolant in the car at all.....
    
    The radiator/cooling system is filled with coolant, which is used to
    cool the engine.  The thermostat closes and remains closed until the
    car reaches an appropriate (hot) temperature.  Frequently around 180
    degrees.  Once the thermostat open, the coolant is then free to travel
    to your heater core.  Your fan blows across the heater core, thus
    pushing hot air into your car.  The circulation completes back to your
    radiator, and continues to try to cool the engine from the fan by your
    radiator switching on/off to keep the coolant the right temperature.
    
    If the thermo is stuck open, the engine will take a *LONG* *LONG* time
    to reach the correct operating temperature, and your heat will take a
    long time to come on, and may not be as hot as normal.  Your car may
    tend to run cooler than normal.  If it's stuck closed, then the thermo
    will never open, and never allow the hot water to travel to the heater
    core, so you will NEVER get any heat inside the car.  If you have a
    blockage in the pipes going to the heater core, it's the same as the
    thermo being stuck closed.
    
    If there's insufficient fluid in the system, the whole thing simply
    doesn't work well because you don't develop the right pressure to be
    able to flow the water properly.  You'd most likely notice that your
    heat is working less and less well over time.  This would hold true of
    a "leak" anywhere in the cooling system.
    
    If you lost a hose, or had total coolant failure, in this weather, you'd 
    probably get ~15-20 mins of ~40mph driving before the engine would start 
    rattling so much you'd stop in a cloud of smoke.  
    
    Since CJ is driving 1+ hours/day, I would expect that ~1/2 hour into
    the drive she'd start to feel some heat, but probably wouldn't be
    impressed, if it were stuck open.  So, IMO, you either have a thermo
    stuck closed, or a block of ice.  BTW - The ice would only happen if
    you had less than ~30%coolant to 70%water mixture.  Or went to Alaska
    (-:  If you're not sure, you can buy a "bulb" thing, that will 'read' 
    the mixture (and effectiveness??) of your coolant.
    
    Good Luck!
    -Patty
    
    
    And that's your car cooling system lesson for today (-:

I had a Caravan that would eat thermostats as snacks. If it's 
open, any heat you'll get will be barely noticable. I know I 
never got any and I had a 20 mile commute.

    Jim,
    
    The "get someone to put it in for you" is harder than you
    think!  :-)  I get to line someone else's pocket with money
    again.
    
    Thanks everyone for the suggestions.  I had to replace the
    head gasket in my car back in October.  Radiator was completely
    emptied and refilled at that time.  Will check the coolant level
    and see what I can do about the thermostat.
    
    						cj *->

cj,

It's not filled completely with coolant is it? You need water in 
there for it to operate correctly. Straight coolant is a no-no.

daryll

          It's likely the thermostat.. I did a heater core and stat in the 
    van this fall.. The core was fun NOT! but doable and I bet I saved a 
    bundle on labor. A stat only runs $2-5 depending on where you go and is 
    a 10-15 minute job. There's also a possibility that you have a valve on 
    your heater line. I'm not sure if Celebrity's have them or not. If this 
    stuck shut you'd likely never get any warmth though. I charge $20/hr if
    you get stuck ;-}
    
    bob

    OR it could be the fuse for the thermostat, and nothing mechanical
    at all ....
    
    leaks: You should notice a loss of fluid
    water pump: You should hear some awful noises.  This runs off of a
      belt, so you can start your car, and LOOK and see if all the belts are
      turning.  It looks SORT of like an alternator, if that helps.
    
    I THINK I have this right - (a '94 4-cyl cavalier wagon??)
    
    VIP (883-8477) $27.00/labor, $4.99/thermo, $1.00/gasket, $5.00/antifreeze
    		Or they'll re-use your old antifreeze, and knock off $5.00)
    
    Pep Boys (598-6600) $30.00-40.00/labor $6.99/thermo $1.00/gasket
    		$6.00/anti-freeze
    
    MacMulkin (888-1121) $65.00/parts+labor and reuse your antifreeze, 
    	or ~$78.00/parts+labor and flush your entire system, all new
        anti-freeze.
    
    Amazing how fast a $5.00 part can add up!!!  VIP and PepBoys both work
    on Sat.  PepBoys said that they'll match anyone else's price.
    
    Good Luck!
    

	Some thermo replacements can be a real PITA - I had one car where the
alternator shared a bolt with the fitting over the thermo! 

					--Doug

If there a fuse on a thermostat, it'll be the first one I've ever 
seen. Every stat I've ever worked with was purely mechanical.

daryll

	Another possibility is a vacuum line problem in the "heater controls."
Some heaters use vacuum lines to open & close "vents" in the heating ducts --
thus even though you have the controls set in the red zone, the airflow is
strictly blue zone.

					--Doug

    there is no parking in the white zone....
    
    
    

    
    	"I know perfectly well what this is about ... you want me to have
    	 an abortion."
    
    	"It's the only sensible thing to do."
    

    hrm.. maybe you could get a friend with a garage.... and if you get it
    at a garage it *OUGHT* not to cost much.
    
    Or.. hrm... it's about 11 hours to our place, but can use a heated
    garage and you can warm up in the Jacuzzi ... grin... but you'll have
    to cram 4 or 5 people with you in the car to keep warm of course.
    
    Actually... today is -1, -2 which is pretty darn mild... we could even
    change it in the sunlight <grin>
    
    good luck with it!!!!!
    
    James

    	
    	I'm outta here - have a great week-end everyone!
    
    joyce

    Hi!
    
    I had a great time Saturday night.. see you all soon!
    
    Kathleen
    
    

    RE: .143
    
    I had a similar thing happen to my Toyota.  It wasn't the thermostat
    as I had hoped since the car eventually came up to temperature and
    the heat still didn't work.  What it turned out to be was the control
    unit on my dash.  I had electronic temp control and it would determine
    if it should open up the valve which allowed coolant into the heater
    core.  The control burnt out and cost me about $300 to replace.  You
    may just have a vacuum swith over and the hose might have come off or
    the vacuum valve may have gone.  This is what it sounds like to me.
    
    Been reading these notes and finally decided to chime in.
    
    -Al
    

    
    So Al - go introduce yourself :-)
    
    joyce

    
    	Not sure if this is a smile or a "ohh oh" - I'm having my daily
    chocolate chip cookie already - need it after that commute in!
    
    joyce

      	This shower/peeking through the hole conversation gave me a fit of
    the giggles...
    
    	We spent two weeks every summer at Hampton Beach, usually the same
    cottage.  One of the places we stayed had a shower out back, for when
    you came back from the beach to wash the sand off.
    
    	There was a hole in the shower wall and one day while I was rinsing
    off (I had my bathing suit on) one of the neighborhood kids peeked in, I
    saw the eyeball and my instant reaction was to poke that eye.  The kid
    went off screaming and yelling, holding their eye...
    
    joyce 

    
    	You know, to this day, I still have a problem with that eye.
    

    
    	John - you're too funny...
    
    joyce

    ya, that one got me laughing too!  :-)
    
    					cj *->

    	
    	Saw the movie Jerry Maguire - really enjoyed it and I'm glad I
    finally got the chance to see it!
    
    joyce

OK, you all - think positive thoughts for me tonight!!!  (please!!)  I'm 
auditioning for our spring show - "Damn Yankees".

B

    Go get 'em... good luck...

    
    	Thinking - thinking - crossing - crossing - getting tired :-)
    
    joyce

       Go fer it Barb... Positive vibes streaming your way..
    
    bob

    
    	My VCR is possessed!  I'm sitting here - its turned off - it turns
    itself on - fast forwards and I stop it and shut it off.  A few minutes
    later it does it again - its done this 4 times in last 5 minutes!!!
    
    	If you guys don't hear from me again - you'll know the VCR got me
    :-)  No - its not the fever - it really is happening....
    
    
    joyce

         Take the batteries out of your remote.. It might be what's really
    possessed. Or maybe there's a stuck button on it???
         If all else start playing twilight zone music ;-)
    
    bob

    
    	You know my tv remote is acting weird too!
    
    joyce

    Joyce, just what kind of medication are you on???????
    
    : - )
    
    Ron

    
    	Well, Bob was right - as soon as I took the batteries out of my VCR
    remote - my TV remote started working again.
    
    	Ron - I think its the lack of chocolate chip cookies :-)
    
    
    joyce

    		
    	Its getting bad - I'm watch Judge Wapner!!!
    
    joyce

    I had belts going on my vcr when it did stuff like that.  It
    would just go into rewind in the middle of playing something.
    
    						cj *->

    
    	Stopped at the grocery store on my way home - ended up with:
    
    	1 bottle gingerale
    	1 six pack of mini-whoopie pies
    	1 bag of cotton candy
    	1 pkg. pizza crusts
    	1 box of puffs plus
    
    I often wonder what the chasiers think of my purchases :-)
    
    joyce-glad-to-be-home!

    		Happy V-Day!
    
    

    
    	Watched Phenomenon - awesome movie - I'd watch it again... 
    Followed by Chain Reaction and Primal Fear - two excellent movies.  I'm
    starting to feel well, think this week-end of rest is doing the trick!
    
    joyce

    	Hey - wake up - this place is too quiet :-)
    
    joyce

        I don wanna wake up.. Too much work to do... Maybe some of it'll
    get done if I doze off at the keyboard ;-).
    
          bb

On the way in this morning I heard one of my wedding songs with such 
lines/phrases as

"the question lovers face...does true love fail?"

and

"...love will prevail"

Sigh...in a perfect world maybe love would be all it takes...

    	
    	I hear you Barb - my wedding song was "Forever's as far as I'll go"
    guess it should have been "or until he decides he wants to live in
    Kentucky" :-)
    
    joyce

    Mine was "time in a bottle" ... "I'd save every day like a treasure and
    then, again, I would spend them with you"  
    
    **choke gag** (-;
    
    but the one that still gets me is Melissa Etheridge's  
    'baby you can sleep while I drive'...  
    
    
    
    

    RE .189 "Forever's as far as I'll go"
    
    Alabama right?  It is quite beautiful
    
    Steve

    
    	Yes - Alabama (no comment Daryll :-P) and a Dan Hill song who's
    name escapes me (Can I touch you - I can't believe that you are real -
    how did I ever find you...)
    
    joyce

        Mine was Wherever You go I will go...... Lucky me I wouldn't want
    to live with Paul Bunion... my ex's boyfriend ;-)
    
    bobo

Mine was "Bridge over Troubled Water".

"Like a bridge over troubled water, I will ease your mind..."

Yeah, right.

daryll

    Mine was the theme from "Romeo & Juliet" the late 60's movie
    
    They both died...  Hmmm
    
    Steve

    At least you had enough sense not to end it all, Steve ;->
    
    					cj *->

    
    	The day's not over yet.
    

    	Shawn you're wicked :-)
    
    joyce

    I am booking for Burlington MA on March 17 but will likely come in on
    the weekend if I fly. Where the heck is Burlington as related to all of
    you guys down there? Maybe you can get to meet fat bald lil ol me :)
    and I can attach some faces to the names!
    
    James

    Hi,
    
    Burlington MA is pretty close... are you bringing anyone else in
    particular?  (-;
    
    

    When you figure how far *your* travelling, James, Burlington is
    close to any of us!  :-)
    
    I'm sure with that being the weekend before St.Patrick's, we'll
    be able to scare up some bodies for an "event".  I will be gladly
    counted as (1).
    					cj *->

    
    	Consider it a done deal :-)   We'll organize something!
    
    j

    
    	Some of us got really neat fortunes at lunch today :-)
    
    	Mine:  "You are very expressive and positive in words, act and
    feeling."
    
    joyce

    Geez.... yer lucky... I *never* get cool fortune ccokies.
    
    Jim's top ten fortune cookie inserts:
    
    10. You will be poor and overweight
    
    9.  Confucius say: Man who sleep in middle of road feel run down
    
    8.  You will lose your hair before you lose your mind (I beat this one)
    
    7.  Happiness will surely be yours! And then you will wake up
    
    6.  You will find wealth and prosperity - under w & p in the dictionary
    
    5.  Friendship has many rewards - for your friends
    
    4.  You will have pretty girls and expensive cars - until you're caught
    
    3.  Always remember to look the the past to realize how screwed up your
    future will be
    
    2.  On the elevator of life, you will always go to the basement
    
    and Jim's #1 fortune cookie insert
    
    1.  Happiness and contentment will be yours if you learn French
    
    
     - just some stray notes from the borderline of kookiness
    
    Jim
    aka: the All Nite Kook
    

    I once heard a comic say..."Add the words "in bed" to the end
    of the fortunes you get in the cookies".  Makes for a yuk or
    two.
    
    					cj *->

OK, yuk it up!

Mine was..."You are a bundle of energy, always on the go."

So you didn't lose yours after all joyce?????  ;-)

    
    	Was in my wallet next to the dollar :-)
    
    joyce

    
    re: .207
    
         Now _that_ sounds like a Deccie! :^)
    
                                                          Poor Tax: Pay $10,
                                                           Mike.

    I guess I'm out of touch...who is Marilyn Manson (sp?) and why
    would her concert in Worcester tonight be protested?
    
    I was listening to WAAF on my way home the night before last
    and heard their spoof of that piece of crap music (and I use
    the term *music* loosely here) that they play for the Makarena.
    
    Just may be a fish out of water here, but has anyone heard it?
    It's pretty funny.  It concerns a subject that was covered quite
    well by a Seinfeld episode.  Something about being the "master
    of your domain"  ;->
    						cj *->

Marilyn Manson is a band of severely misguided individuals. 
That is being kind. They think that coming out dressed in Nazi 
uniform and spouting crap about jews is entertaining. Their 
material stinks and to make it even worse, they're miserable 
musicians. Right Shawn?

daryll

    Do these people even have music out there?  I mean, someone
    even let them record and distribute????  (*sigh*  ya, ya, ya
    free speech...etc....) 
    
    Now I understand the protest.  
    
    						cj *->

    
    	Yes, Daryll, they're so bad that I have all 3 of their albums.
    
    	8^)
    
    	The 90's is about change, I think, and they're just another band
    	that's trying to do something "different".  I mean, Alice Cooper
    	and KISS have already done the makeup thing, and Nine Inch Nails
    	[Trent Reznor, producer of Marilyn Manson's albums] has done the
    	industrial thing ... but these guys combined the 2.
    
    	There's some good stuff to be found on the albums.  They're quite
    	heavy, and not family-oriented in terms of subject matter and
    	language, but they're good to head-bang to occasionally.
    
    	Heavy metal isn't all I listen to ... I have a VERY broad range
    	of musical tastes, and will give anything a chance [although rap
    	is pretty much crap to me].  The HEAVY_METAL noters give me a
    	hard time about listening to Air Supply, but it doesn't mean I'm
    	going to let it bother me.
    

Oh please. They're not even the first to combine the two since 
The Mentors did it years ago.

daryll

    
    	The great music debate is on :-)
    
    joyce

    
    	RE: .213
    
    	OK, did The Mentors adopt screen star names for 1st names and
    	serial killer names for last names?
    
    	Did The Mentors use alot of vulgarity and evil overtones?
    
    	[Maybe they did, I don't know.  Never heard of them.]
    
    	"Different" doesn't have to mean unique or original.  It means that
    	they are "different" from the majority of the bands out there.  And
    	that they are.
    

    Daryll sent me some of their lyrics...and though I did find
    a lot of it offensive...I did not see anything to incite
    an actual protest.  But then, I don't know anything more
    about them than that.  I do not know their politics and if
    they are otherwise being abusive.  I suspect they are going
    by Daryll's note in here.
    
    If they were spewing things, like "kill all (*insert a totally
    offensive word of prejudice here*), I could understand the
    protest.  Similar to the problems some of the rap songs have
    encountered.  Those like the one inciting cop killing, etc..
    They do use very offensive words, but I don't see that they
    are saying to kill that particular group of people.  Rather
    they seem to hate the haters.
    
    Again, I suspect from Daryll's response in here, that perhaps
    they do have lyrics or on stage suggestions along that line.
    
    To glamorize anything concerning anything Nazi is totally
    offensive to me and many others.  THAT is cause for protest. 
    
    One would hope some generation would learn from those before
    it and finally rid us of this whole Nazi thing.  Why do they
    perpetuate?  They should come up with a drug to quell prejudice
    much like those that treat depression.
    
    

    
    	Well said cj!
    
    joyce

    
    	You see, Cindy, these protesters are just like you in that they
    	take stuff like this seriously.
    
    	I doubt that Marilyn Manson is trying to "recruit" disciples for
    	their upcoming attempt at the domination of the planet.  I think
    	they're a band trying something relatively different to try and
    	please music lovers, and maybe even make some money at the same
    	time.
    
    	Somewhat related, do you know how Ozzy Osbourne became known as
    	a "devil worshipper"?  At a concert long ago, an audience member
    	threw something to him ... I believe it WAS a bat, but possibly
    	not live.  And he bit the head off [probably drunk+ at the time].
    	So word-of-mouth being what it was, soon he was performing animal
    	sacrifices and he was an all-out devil worshipper.
    

    And I do recall that Ozzy story.  Had a heck of a time getting
    someone to go to his concert with me after that!   But I suceeded.
    
    						cj *->

Shawn,

"different" doesn't mean good either.

Yes the Mentors used offensive language, SFCC (what they stand 
for you figure out) and PISS were a couple of their "hits".

They came out in executioners outfits including the masks.

daryll

    
    	No, "different" means "different".  I know that.
    
    	But it doesn't mean that it CAN'T be good.  I happen to like a
    	few of the songs, like I said, and there's not a heck of a lot
    	that you can say to change that.
    

	Well, we could always villify your character Shawn. ;-)

						--D

    
    	"could always vilify" or "have always vilified"?
    

    Shawn,
    
    I bet you're great in a dunk tank.  YOu really allow yourself
    to be set up and enjoy it.  That's not a bad thing.  
    
    						cj *->

    
    	Hey, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.
    
    	I'm probably my own #1 critic.  8^)
    
    
    	And if you think I'm great in a dunk tank, you should ... ummmm,
    	I'd better not finish that sentence.  8^)
    

    please do...I'm intrigued ;->

    
    	That would definitely qualify as 1 of those "incriminating com-
    	ments" to which I referred earlier.  8^)
    

    
    Bye, ya'll... I'm outta here until Thursday....  
    
    **insert big, big grin**
    
    

    
    	Have a *splendid* time!
    
    joyce

    Marilyn Manson... well... *he* is the lead singer for an alternative
    band who does some pretty wacked out stuff. It's been a while but I
    think the names in the band are based on serial killers (I may be
    wrong) and have albums like "Anti-Christ Superstar". They've done some
    odd stuff and a lot of shock-therapy stuff IMO, such as a song called
    Cake and Sodomy ".... white trash get down on your knees, it's time for
    cake and sodomy........." and goes downhill from there.
    
    I know of this group because of their association (discovered by,
    promoted by) with Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails, a band I very much
    enjoy (saw em a while ago with Bowie *happy sigh*). Their 'music'
    style and shock/offensive lyrics are all the rage with many people. I
    don't mind hearing them when I go out but I prefer better groups when I
    hit the alternative nightclubs.
    
    As for the Makarena (sp?), pardon me while I spit my breakfast up on
    the floor. I am *so* bloody sick of that rat trash piece of drivel I
    would pay money for 5 minutes with the thing that created it.
    
    Wellllllllllllll.. what a way to start a Monday morning after a long
    weekend!
    
    James
    Andrew Lloyd Weber to NIN, go figure....
    

    re: the Macarena...
    
    My life would no less complete if I never heard Macarena again...
    
    However insipid I might believe it to be, though,  it does allow
    some folks to get up and dance, and enjoy themselves in a way that
    they might not do otherwise.   In my mind, it's sorta like 
    the Boston Pops, or line dancing...  things that are not necessarily
    to my taste, but that lots of people seem to enjoy.
    
    /b

    I should have read the whole thing before I replied. It's old news
    already, get over it! There's worse stuff out there... a lot worse, and
    a lot better. And they do a version of Sweet Dreams I kinda like. As
    for the makeup, dress whatever... it's all a gimmick... if it sells
    then thats what people want to buy.
    
    Anyone out there remember GWAR? Trust me, it gets much much worse. I
    personally think Nine Inch Nails is better, but I have the album "Portrait
     of an American Family" and it's alright. But if you have old-school
    stuck up points of view then keep your nose in the air and ignore it
    because most new groups today will get that nose out of joint.
    
    That was the nicest way I could put that. There is a lot of music out
    there I don't like, but it is a preference. I do not believe I have the
    right to tell others what they should and shouldn't listen to. Here in
    Toronto, our city has actually harassed prime time performers because
    of their act. I think Madonna was the last one to be given a hard time.
    Personally speaking, if someone wants to rent a hall and play their
    stuff, whether it be good music or offensive drivel, let 'em play. 
    
    It's times like this when I start to rant and rave that the song
    "Killing in the Name" by Rage Against the Machine comes to mind.
    
    :-)
    
    Between Kevin (my roomie) and I, we have near 900 cds and countless
    records and tapes. It's isn't all classical and jazz :-).
    
    And as for originality, who cares? If it sounds good and you like it,
    have a party. You know, when I was on the floor at the NIN concert, I
    don't recall thinking "oh my... I don't think this is all that
    original, it's been done before" or "oh my, this music, these lyrics
    are offensive" NO! I rocked, we partied, and had a good damn time!
    
    Music is defined by the individual. *Be* an individual and not a
    lemming and listen to what pleases you. And when others attempt to
    censor one person for what they say/do on a stage then speak up for it.
    Even if you don't like it.
    
    *That* was the most low key tirade I have ever launched on the subject.
    
    And I do apologize for running (diving?) off on one of my little
    tangents.
    
    James
    aka: Tangent Boy
                    

    re. 232
    
       "Its old news already, get over it!"
       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    
    	James - everyone is entitled to their opinion.  Quite frankly I
    find anyone who imitates the Nazi's to be offensive - whether its a
    gimmick or not.    
    
    	Too many people died in the Holocaust...
    
    Joyce 

    And, as I said, I believe the very ideas they represent should 
    not be glorified to present and future generations.  
    
    Other than that, I go along with most of what you said, James.
    It is true.  It's just this Nazi, kill those you feel inferior,
    mentality that I protest.   If they just dressed and acted crazy
    and otherwise offensive...so what.  I totally hate the Macarena
    and feel any of these stupid, fad, dance crazes to be for "lemmings"
    only.  But I don't think they should be banned.
    
    						cj *->  

    
    	Rage Against the Machine ... that's a great band.  At least, their
    	1st album was great.  The 2nd just sort of dragged, IMO.
    
    	And BTW, the "protest" was nothing at the Marilyn Manson show.  A-
    	bout 25 people showed up and "prayed for the souls of the concert-
    	goers" and tried to hand out pamphlets.  The newspaper said that
    	the press outnumbered the "protesters".
    

    I agree. The holocaust was a blight on humanity that must never be
    forgotten. But to be quite frank, many many bands out there (and plain
    ol people) leech onto a public disgrace for the shock value. The only
    way to fight it is to ignore it. Without attention it will die on its
    own. ALthough it did not register at first (I've never seen them live)
    that MM dressed like a Nazi. After reading your reply, I regret the
    intensity of my response. 
    
    One thing however, I do recall something a good friend of mine said to
    me. Ylana said she hated these people who venerated people like Hitler
    and others. But in their pathetic attempt at recognition, they keep the
    memory alive. Marilyn Manson will come and go. Others like him have
    come and gone and will hit the scene again. But when Manson will be
    forgotten, the things that happened in WW2 will not be. This is not
    only true of the Holocaust but of many other things. 
    
    I apologize if my freedom of expression message offended anyone. But
    the facts remain that some people for lack of originality or the need
    to be anti-establisment make idols of the evils of our history. It's up
    to us as the public to make these people fade from the scene faster.
    Manson is hot now... but he will run his course and be forgotten.
    
    The tough part is when people like me hear the music but have no visual
    of the person performing it. I don't watch tv or read rags and know
    what I know of them from a book I bought about NIN. 
    
    The scary part about music today is, I don't wanna see/know about the
    people putting out music today. They look odd to me, they say dumb
    things (something I've done more than once), and they suck in person.
    
    Anyone who has heard Ozzy give a radio interview recently knows what I
    mean. All I could think was "shut up Ozzy and scream out another
    tune..."
    
    Bottom line is: Many things said today are offensive. But where do we
    draw the line of freedom of expression? It's an odd line... we have a
    chap here in Canada, Ernst Zundel who has been censored for spreading
    hate literature. And I think they did the right thing. He believes the
    lies and drivel he spouts and tries to make other people recreate the
    very atrocity he claims never happened. He should be shot. BUT. What
    about Manson? He is riding a sore spot and offending people to make
    money. 
    
    I do not think I am adequately conveying what I think/feel on the
    matter. Indeed, it could start another entire conference. Suffice it to
    say for me personally I as an individual do find any act that promotes
    any form of hatred toward another offensive.
    
    I just want to be happy and party when I can, and fight when I have to.
    ANd one of the horrible realities of today's society is that sometimes
    the best way to fight something is to ignore it and let it die of
    attention starvation.
    
    James
    (Note: This topic can get very inflamatory and bring up painful topics,
    I would be more than happy to discuss it further in private, but I have
    offended enough people with this subject thread as it is so I will drop
    it here)

    
    	James - that clarifies things - thanks...  
    
    	I'd say the day they produced Shindler's List - it wiped out any
    other need for reminding the future about the Holocaust.
    
    joyce

    
    		Speaking about the holocaust and Hitler, Has anyone
    		heard about Elvis Hitler ? I found a CD by him this
    		weekend called hellbilly. It was only $3.98 so I
    		picked it up, I'm sure I got what I paid for, but
    		would be interested in anyones opinions.
    
    							Joe

    While preparing dinner last night, my Deviline's YELLING at me
    from her Lil Tykes table that she wants her supper NOW 
    (punctuated with banging her Tigger fork on the table and
    alternating with "Mama I don't WANT to eat), a good portion
    of my just cooked tortellini is on the floor, and the ice from
    my drink is soothing my burn du jour....I found myself thinking
    
    "Where is Mr.French when you need him????"  
    
    (remember him?)             			cj *->

    RE Joyce:
    
    Actually, I disagree. This is kind of a sore spot with me. I study and
    have written about WW2 history. The Holocaust DID happen and must not
    be forgotten...but it has:  Cambodia, Rowanda, Iraq, Bosnia... Need I
    go on? These were people too. As with the Jews, the world stood by and
    did nothing.
    
    Steve

         Ouch hope you dodn't burn yourself too badly. Ya know ya gotta try 
    not to hop like Tigger when you're having tortellini.
    
    
    bb

    Oh Bob, it's been commented that perhaps I can't even feel
    burns anymore :-)
    
    					cj *->

    Look at what your name tells you about yourself...
    
    http://www.kabalarians.com/articles/your.htm
    
    
    Enjoy...
    Steve

    re .240
    
    Steve - you took my note the wrong way.  The point I was trying to make
    was that Schindler's List is a *powerful* reminder, and its done in a
    positive way and it leaves a very strong reminder as opposed to when 
    people glorify Nazi's - to me that's mocking the Holocaust.
    
    Joyce

    	Steve - I checked out Joyce - it mentions chocolate :-)   
    
    	Some of it seems applicable and some doesn't but as it indicates - 
    its not a complete description of your nature and life...
    
    	Interesting though - thanks!
    
    joyce 

         Re:242 of course you can feel it.. OUCH!! I used to get accused of
    the same thing with my ex.. I like to juggle dishes but am not very
    good at it. She always thought I was breaking things on purpose.. Truth 
    is I'm just a bit clumsy with very fast reflexes so typically an attempted
    catch would result in a deflection off of a cabinet or?? Least I never
    tried to juggle my kids :-)
    
    bob

    Joyce. I knew what you meant about people glorifying the Nazi etc and I 
    agree. My point is that people still ignore current day holocausts as
    in the cases I pointed out. Dead is dead whether you are Jewish or
    Tutsi.
    
    I agree, the movie was quite good. 
    
    Steve

    Today we have a different term for mass murder and genocide. Because
    our respective governments are often not politically motivated to act
    as often as they should they call it an internal affair. Or what's the
    other term: "ethnic cleansing".
    
    Murder, especially murder motivated by race, religion, gender, or
    anything is still an abomination of our people.
    
    Like I said... very volatile, emotional, and all around sensitive
    topic.
    
    James
    aka: Volatile, emotional, and all around sensitive shmoe
    tbc001:drover
    [email protected]
    for those interested, my outside email is "[email protected]"

    re . 247 - we're in violent agreement :-)
    
    joyce

    RE.243
    
    Steve, 
    
    Well I checked out the name analysis..and I'll have to admit,
    for Cindy it was really accurate.  Ok, too accurate for a 
    skeptic like me ;->   They really grabbed me when they got right
    to the troublesome head, throat, dizziness/fainting thing.
    
    So...I called for the free extended analysis.  WOW!  I tell you
    I have hemmed and hawed about ever entering an ad in singles. I 
    just don't know how the heck to describe myself, especially at
    this time.  And frankly, I'm chickensh**.  These folks could write 
    it for me!  She even came up with the fact I actually have a shy 
    side that I keep so covered many would  be surprised to know it's 
    there.  (guilty as charged!) 
    
    Naturally, they then try to sell you on the 30 page write up for
    $39.00, which I declined.  But it really was amazing what they
    said.  She was even a bit confused about my being single because
    she had "seen" (and I'm not talking psychic here) a change in my
    family status that had made me more practical.  I hadn't told her
    I was a single parent.  
    
    So am I a believer???  I don't know that there is something to 
    believe or not here...but I was truly amazed.  I feel a lot of
    the psychic's and palm readers and such, pretty much give you 
    answers that are ambiguous and you could make fit to your life
    or even someone else's.
    
    This analysis thing was right on the money and didn't miss much
    at all.
    
    Oh well, a nice break in a busy day...
    
    							cj *->
    

Joyce

The name of Joyce has created a friendly, congenial nature, with the desire 
to associate and have friendship and understanding. You appreciate taking 
part in activities involving others, either socially or in the business world. 
Peaceful and settled conditions appeal to you and you are naturally 
desirous of having your own home and raising a family. You appreciate the 
security of the home, where your life could follow a definite pattern, 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
pretty much true...



and where you would not have to make major decisions. You prefer to rely 
on the ability of others in this respect as you find it difficult to take a 
definite stand on situations that arise, partly because of lack of
confidence, and also because you dislike issues as they create dissension 
between people. Procrastination is a weakness of your nature, causing an 
inability always to complete your plans. 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
this is way off - like totally in left field...


Your name has made it difficult for you to concentrate on things for long. 
You desire to see a concept completely presented in a detailed way
before you can understand it, and if you cannot understand it, you come to 
your own conclusion and often fail to listen to and reason out another's 
point of view. You resist being forced into a change and could become almost 
impervious to new ideas. 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
sorta true here and there :-)


                            You desire refinement, understanding, and 
appreciation, yet sometimes your outward attitude does not reveal your 
innermost feelings, and thus you have never felt truly understood. Your 
name has given you a desire for heavy and rich foods, such as meat, potatoes, 
and chocolates, which in turn create mucus in the bloodstream, causing the 
blood to be sluggish; this condition affects the area of the stomach
and you could suffer with constipation or other stomach and intestinal 
disorders. 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
well the meat, potatoes and chocolate part is right :-)


joyce

                  
    I've been listening to Manson for a year now.  If ya like the cutting
    edge, these guys are the grinding stone.  They put together quite a set
    and no doubt, if your easily offended, they are the premier offensive
    kings....stay away!!! Wouldn't be surprised if the protestors were part
    of the gig.  Art has some pretty bizzare forms sometimes and that may
    just be what makes it art.  I really enjoy their "pretty people"
    bashing songs. 
                
    re - The Macerana
    
    Oh me, oh my, Now THAT is offensive.  

    
    	BTW, if anyone local to the MRO area wants to hear Marilyn Manson
    	stuff, let me know and I'll drive my Duster to work and give you a
    	ride [and give your ears a workout].
    
    	Also BTW, the new album is basically crap [IMO].  "Portrait of an
    	American Family" is the best.  "Smells Like Children" is OK [and
    	contains the cover of "Sweet Dreams", which did grow on me after a
    	few listens], but contains several different versions of "Cake an
    	Sodomy" ... maybe they ran out of material and went for the "Hey,
    	let's see how many different musical styles we can use for this 1
    	song" mentality.
    

    I have this nice new pc sitting on my desk,  waiting to take
    my Windows 95 class that just got cancelled today for the
    SECOND time  :-{
    
    But someone mentioned to me you are not supposed to shut the
    box off (like at night), just the monitor.  Why is that???
    
    						cj *->

    
    	Err - that makes no sense to me.  I know tons of folks who shut
    their systems down - I however - do not - and I don't shut off the
    monitor either.  What pc do you have?  Celebris?
    
    joyce

    I have Venturis.  But we all, here, have various different ones
    and at least three different people have said that the "guys"
    who came around and set us up told them they aren't supposed to
    shut the box off.
    
    This made no sense to me.  I know you are not supposed to just
    shut it off without exitting Windows, but when my message comes
    up "IT IS NOW SAFE TO SHUT OFF YOUR COMPUTER", that's when I
    power off.
    
    						cj *->

    
         It could be one of them thar' network thingies...
    
         Sorry to be so technical! :^)
    
                                                             Beep,
                                                              Mike.

    re: CSLALL::JACQUES_CA
    
    >> but when my message comes up "IT IS NOW SAFE TO SHUT OFF YOUR
    >> COMPUTER", that's when I power off.
    
    That's just fine, cj.  There's nothing wrong with doing that from a
    technical standpoint.  Your IS people may have other thoughts with
    respect to keeping the system on.  If they configured the machine
    to use power management fully, there should be minimal savings,
    especially over a 24 hour period the savings during your working hours
    can easily cover the minimal power drain during off-hours.
    
    Cheers,
    
    /Bill

    I don't turn my Celebris off unless I'm going on vacation or am going
    to be away for several days.... this is for two reasons.  First, I have
    SWEEP scheduled to run at 1 in the morning because and because there
    are a couple of managers who use my system after hours to print out color
    slides, etc.  It's interesting because just yesterday I spotted a new
    poster around the facility reminding everyone to "log off and shut off"
    all computers every night.....   oh well, so much for being in
    compliance!
    
    I've also heard and been told by those more in the know than I, that
    it's actually better for the computer not to shut it off every night...
    so who do you listen to these days?!?!?!?
    
    

    
    	Mine stays up for faxes...
    
    joyce

           From an Engineering perspective the MTBF of just about anything
    is much better when left on. I always shut down my peecee though. On my
    workstation I just power down both monitors.. It's backed up nightly so
    it needs to be on..
    
          bb 

The table lost something in the conversion :-)

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     Total notes in the index: 2,215 

 Rank    Author                  Note Count
                                              First
                                                          Last 
   1
      PCBUOA::DEWITT
                                  690 notes 
                                           09-Jan-1997
                                                      26-Feb-1997 
   2
      DANGER::ASKETH
                                  260 notes 
                                           10-Jan-1997
                                                      26-Feb-1997 
   3
      CSLALL::JACQUES_CA
                                  114 notes 
                                           10-Jan-1997
                                                      25-Feb-1997 
   4
      WRKSYS::BROWER
                                  105 notes 
                                           10-Jan-1997
                                                      26-Feb-1997 
   5
      TBC001::DROVER
                                   99 notes 
                                           10-Jan-1997
                                                      26-Feb-1997 
   6
      BOOKIE::KENYON
                                   95 notes 
                                           15-Jan-1997
                                                      21-Feb-1997 
   7
      BUSY::SLAB
                                   83 notes 
                                           10-Jan-1997
                                                      26-Feb-1997 
   8
      SALEM::DODA
                                   62 notes 
                                           17-Jan-1997
                                                      21-Feb-1997 
   9
      WAYLAY::GORDON
                                   58 notes 
                                           09-Jan-1997
                                                      26-Feb-1997 
  10
      AXEL::FOLEY
                                   52 notes 
                                           10-Jan-1997
                                                      25-Feb-1997 
  11
      CBROWN::JACQUES_CA
                                   48 notes 
                                           14-Jan-1997
                                                      26-Feb-1997 
  12
      APACHE::KEITH
                                   44 notes 
                                           17-Jan-1997
                                                      25-Feb-1997 
  13
      ABACUS::DELBALSO
                                   40 notes 
                                           10-Jan-1997
                                                      13-Feb-1997 
  14
      MKOTS3::RAUH
                                   34 notes 
                                           24-Jan-1997
                                                      25-Feb-1997 
  15
      ipl31.zko.dec.com::LARU
                                   30 notes 
                                           13-Jan-1997
                                                      26-Feb-1997 
  16
      SUBSYS::K_WOODWARD
                                   28 notes 
                                           17-Jan-1997
                                                      17-Feb-1997 
  17
      HAZMAT::WEIER
                                   26 notes 
                                           16-Jan-1997
                                                      20-Feb-1997 
  18
      PATS::RICHARDSON
                                   25 notes 
                                           17-Jan-1997
                                                      26-Feb-1997 
  19
      ABACUS::MALSON
                                   24 notes 
                                           10-Jan-1997
                                                      21-Feb-1997 
  20
      YIELD::MMURRAY
                                   23 notes 
                                           28-Jan-1997
                                                      26-Feb-1997 
  21
      DANGER::ARRIGHI
                                   21 notes 
                                           15-Jan-1997
                                                      26-Feb-1997 
  22
      JULIET::MULOCK_PA
                                   15 notes 
                                           10-Jan-1997
                                                      26-Feb-1997 
      EDWIN::WAUGAMAN
                                   15 notes 
                                           21-Jan-1997
                                                      18-Feb-1997 
  23
      SUBSYS::HOUBRE
                                   14 notes 
                                           27-Jan-1997
                                                      19-Feb-1997 
  24
      SPESHR::GSMITH
                                   13 notes 
                                           20-Jan-1997
                                                      04-Feb-1997 
      WRKSYS::HARRY
                                   13 notes 
                                           10-Jan-1997
                                                      19-Feb-1997 
      ORION::CHARPENTIER
                                   13 notes 
                                           15-Jan-1997
                                                      21-Feb-1997 
  25
      TARKIN::LIN
                                   12 notes 
                                           18-Feb-1997
                                                      26-Feb-1997 
      PCBUOA::DESHARNAIS
                                   12 notes 
                                           20-Jan-1997
                                                      21-Feb-1997 
  26
      STAR::DIPIRRO
                                   11 notes 
                                           15-Jan-1997
                                                      19-Feb-1997 
  27
      BIGQ::MARCHAND
                                    9 notes 
                                           15-Jan-1997
                                                      19-Feb-1997 
  28
      ORION::KENYON
                                    7 notes 
                                           14-Jan-1997
                                                      23-Jan-1997 
      CANDOO::GRIEB
                                    7 notes 
                                           15-Jan-1997
                                                      12-Feb-1997 
  29
      SKETCH::MOISAN
                                    6 notes 
                                           21-Jan-1997
                                                      03-Feb-1997 
      OTOOA::KOENDERS
                                    6 notes 
                                           14-Jan-1997
                                                      19-Feb-1997 
      WMOIS::WHITE_C
                                    6 notes 
                                           26-Feb-1997
                                                      26-Feb-1997 
      FABSIX::L_VALLONE
                                    6 notes 
                                           12-Jan-1997
                                                      13-Jan-1997 
      TLE::PHILLIPS
                                    6 notes 
                                           10-Jan-1997
                                                      03-Feb-1997 
      BRAT::DELBALSO
                                    6 notes 
                                           14-Jan-1997
                                                      24-Feb-1997 
  30
      ICS::SMITHDE
                                    5 notes 
                                           31-Jan-1997
                                                      25-Feb-1997 
      WMOIS::CONNELL
                                    5 notes 
                                           14-Jan-1997
                                                      17-Feb-1997 
      WMOIS::ZELENT_J
                                    5 notes 
                                           03-Feb-1997
                                                      24-Feb-1997 
  31
      POLAR::CARISSE
                                    4 notes 
                                           10-Jan-1997
                                                      10-Jan-1997 
      SOLVIT::BOOTH
                                    4 notes 
                                           26-Jan-1997
                                                      11-Feb-1997 
  32
      SMARTT::CADENA
                                    3 notes 
                                           03-Feb-1997
                                                      06-Feb-1997 
      SALEM::SPAGNUOLO
                                    3 notes 
                                           16-Jan-1997
                                                      24-Jan-1997 
      ABACUS::BARROWS
                                    3 notes 
                                           07-Feb-1997
                                                      11-Feb-1997 
      DEVLPR::SULLIVAN
                                    3 notes 
                                           31-Jan-1997
                                                      31-Jan-1997 
      CSLALL::MCNAUGHTON_W
                                    3 notes 
                                           07-Feb-1997
                                                      10-Feb-1997 
      LJSRV1::BOURQUARD
                                    3 notes 
                                           30-Jan-1997
                                                      31-Jan-1997 
  33
      CFSCTC::STARVASKI
                                    2 notes 
                                           19-Feb-1997
                                                      19-Feb-1997 
      BRAT::BARROWS
                                    2 notes 
                                           27-Jan-1997
                                                      27-Jan-1997 
      HITOPS::OCONNOR_J
                                    2 notes 
                                           24-Jan-1997
                                                      25-Feb-1997 
      BGSDEV::LANGONE
                                    2 notes 
                                           03-Feb-1997
                                                      17-Feb-1997 
      LANDO::BELLEW
                                    2 notes 
                                           27-Jan-1997
                                                      19-Feb-1997 
      QETOO::JPARDO
                                    2 notes 
                                           23-Jan-1997
                                                      24-Jan-1997 
      LUNER::BBOHANEK
                                    2 notes 
                                           21-Jan-1997
                                                      24-Jan-1997 
      POWDML::CHILTON
                                    2 notes 
                                           25-Feb-1997
                                                      25-Feb-1997 
      GAVEL::SATURNELLI
                                    2 notes 
                                           31-Jan-1997
                                                      03-Feb-1997 
      DECC::SULLIVAN
                                    2 notes 
                                           12-Feb-1997
                                                      21-Feb-1997 
      MROA::GREGOIRE
                                    2 notes 
                                           28-Jan-1997
                                                      29-Jan-1997 

And Joyce pulls in an overwhelming lead!!!!  With Barb a distant second and CJ
(with her 2 different nodes even) a more distant third!!

;-)

    
    	Just say "Make it so #1" from now on :-)    But of course the
    social director must be verbose - its a requirement!
    
    joyce

    
        Well Joyce, I think I've met you enough times to know that you'd
    be number one in anything you did!   8*)
    
        Rosie

    	Thank you Rosie - that's a nice compliment...
    
    joyce

    
      your welcome!
    
       Rosie

    And now that count has been published publicly...I hope
    none of us see it attached to a review...  ;->
    
    						cj *->

    
    	cj - *anyone* with the URL can run any kind of report - on an
    individual - conference - Doug posted a pointer in here a while ago.  
    
    	It does not say what time of day, or day of the week you posted 
    the notes...   
    
    	I'm always logged on nights and week-ends.
    
    joyce

    	Wouldn't want anyone to catch any flack, so I deleted the noting
    breakdown...
    
    joyce

    
    	If anyone, it'd be you.
    
    	8^)
    

    
    	Barb posted it in the poetry/writings note - its been around a long
    time and I've sent my fair share of copies to folks.  Had it up on my
    wall prior to my TFSO...
    
    joyce

CJ, see 29.18.  ;-)  I have this on my fridge.  ;-)

Barb

>  <<< Note 25.273 by PCBUOA::DEWITT "music - the sound your soul makes..." >>>

    
>    	Barb posted it in the poetry/writings note - its been around a long
>    time and I've sent my fair share of copies to folks.  Had it up on my
>    wall prior to my TFSO...
    
Yes, once again we're writing and thinking the same thing at the same time!
;-)

B

    and I put it in the wrong spot!  I'll delete..sorry
    

    
    tsk tsk :-)
    
    joyce

    I didn't see any direct answer to cj's question about shutting her
    system down.  It's most likely because your disk(s) and others in your
    group are networked, perhaps with a server machine somewhere as well. 
    Your files and the files of others in your group could be spread
    anywhere around the network, so you'll clog up the works if you power
    yours down.  Your system support people may also access your disk after
    hours, for backup, virus scanning, or whatever.  If they feel like it,
    they can also scan for unlicensed software, but this they can do
    anytime at all.
    
    Tony

    
    	It doesn't matter if a computer is on or off ... if your files
    	are stored on a local server [as in Windows NT] then anyone with
    	the proper privileges can access those files.  The files aren't
    	really stored on your specific machine ... your machine has the
    	proper privileges to access them from their current location.
    
    	I just got RAS installed on my laptop yesterday, and this means
    	that I can dial in and connect to my local server [Materials
    	group, user SLAB] and access files regardless of the status of my
    	PC at work.
    
    	Remember that a server set-up is employed so that backups can be
    	done on a regular basis by a central IC/CS group/person.  And it
    	wouldn't make sense for all computers to have to be turned on so
    	that the backups can be done.
    
    	The only files that aren't accessible are C-drive files ... that
    	is, the files on the hard drives on the PC's.
    

    I didn't think I had said anything that you contradicted.  When your
    local machine is off, your local files can't be used -- C drive, or
    whatever number of drives you have locally.  Files CAN be stored
    locally, and other people with privilegess can use them with a network
    file system.

    
    	But as a rule, files on the individual hard drives are not access-
    	ible by others.
    

    Slabman! Gota  GTI? I like VW's too. Folks got a 16valve Caberola (sp).
    Nice rig. 

    
    	Had a GTI ... '87 16V, bought new.
    
    	Sold it in '95 [wow, over 2 years ago now] and bought an '87
    	Toyota Supra.
    

    Last night I found myself having seriously cold feet. So I trundled
    down to the bar and opened a bottle of port and just sat there sipping
    alone there and thinking. I guess I had been thinking about the good
    times with other people, some of whom would be willing to go back out
    and get serious again. But the more I remembered what their good points
    were, I also remembered what the reasons were that it didn't/couldn't
    work. Then I realized all the things I loved in other people were all
    present in the lady I am with now with almost none of the negative
    things. And no matter how I chop it up, she's still the best thing that
    ever happened. I wonder if I am a victim of the "if it seems to good to
    be true, it probably isn't" mentality. Then it struck me that I hadn't
    really thought about the fact that it was the first time in a long long
    time I had thought about those people. In fact, the more time I spend
    with Mrs. Right, the less time I spend dwelling on the past and the
    more time I spend looking to the future.
    
    Does anyone know the song "Sensible Shoes" by David Lee Roth? It
    certainly comes to mind. Only this time the guy doesn't walk away from
    the best thing that happened.
    
    So I called her up last night just to tell her how happy I was and how
    much I loved her and couldn't wait for May. When she asked me what was
    on my mind (Women seem to know when something is/was bothering you -
    because it's not like I don't tell her this everyday) I told her what
    was on my mind and we chatted away until I fell asleep on the couch.
    Two sips of port and and hour or so of dreaming out loud will cure
    anyone I guess.
    
    Forgive me all.. I had to write this somewhere and just get it all out.
    I'd never had 'cold feet' before. I'm told it's normal but it is
    certainly not like me to get indecisive. I've gone to the wall for
    things I was a whole lot less passionate about. It's been kind of a
    prideful point for me. Knowing what I want, being determined, seeing
    things through... this is me. AT least I thought so. I'm not worried
    really. I *KNOW* where I'll be on my wedding day, that I think was
    never really ever in doubt. But the fact that someone got inside and
    under my skin so completely and subtley that I didn't know... and the
    knowledge that I am still just a big ol vulnerable kid is very
    unsettling. I'm nervous, happy, a bit crazy, and scared just a little
    bit. And I love every second of it.
    
    Does this make sense??
    
    Ahhh don't mind me... all I did was waste lots of text and some rather
    excellent wine.
    
    James
         

    
    	Sounds normal to me...
    
    joyce

    
>    	Sounds normal to me...
    
Yep, me too.  Go with the flow James.  Sounds like you've got a good thing
going!  Nice to see that.  ;-)

B

    
     > Sounds normal to me....
    
       I feel that way also! I also wanted to point out that I saw that
    you were able to call her up and talk to her about it. Positive         
    communication with the SO! Sounds like she's very understanding.
    
       Rosie

    
    	FWIW - when I married DeWitt, I didn't have a single doubt - maybe
    I should have!
    
    joyce

    
>    	FWIW - when I married DeWitt, I didn't have a single doubt - maybe
>    I should have!
    
Ha!!  I hear you Joyce!!  Thought I was the luckiest woman in the world when I
got married.  Everything was perfect.  It's much better to go into a marriage 
with awareness than denial!

B

       Haha when I married Dippo I had some doubts too.But these humungous 
    guys in gray pinstripe suits with violin cases convinced me to stay the
    course. Received 2 threats of bodily injury on my wedding day. If Dippo 
    ever complained of mistreatment in any way. As if I wasn't nervous enough 
    on my wedding day. What was surprising was when it came down to the 
    divorce most of these people after getting to know me couldn't figure 
    what her problem  was.. Least it didn't get me cement overshoes :-}
    
    bob

(I'm back!...after a brief regression into my hermitage (sigh).  Between
 traveling, flu, hobbies, work, and old habits, I sort of disappeared for
 a while...oh, well.)


James,

I just have to comment.  It's better to have doubts than not.  As some have
already said, better to go in with eyes open then blindly with nothing but
hopes and dreams.  But there may be something else here as well...changing
always means leaving something and leaving something always means feeling
some loss.  No matter how positive the change...it's still a change...and us
humans, unfortunately, seem to inately resist change...seem to hold on a bit
to the "old" and familiar.

There's a tarot card of a family in a boat crossing a river.  The water is a
bit rough.  They are hoping that they are crossing to a land of "milk and
honey"...and they may indeed be doing just that.  The point is, you never
know for sure and you can't take all that you had and are with you.  You
have to leave some stuff behind and you have to take some risks.  There's
just no other way.

Your doubts are even more than natural...they are also an opportunity to
reaffirm your decision (which you have already done :-) ) and to reflect on
what you are leaving/changing...to say goodbye...to embrace the risk and the
loss as well as the hopes and dreams and positives.  I forget where I read
it but...transitions no matter how positive are never entirely comfortable
and always offer opportunities for reflections and insight.

Regards,
Lon

Nice note Lon!!!!!

Barb

    	
    	I am so glad this is the last day - this week has been insane - two
    straight weeks of my being the only customer specialist to cover calls. 
    Come Monday, my co-worker will be back and a new hire will be in.  I'm
    seriously going to need the long week-end in AZ!!!
    
    joyce

    Hi,
    
    I'm outta here again for a few days... I'm going to be helping out on
    my friend's farm making maple syrup.. so it really can't be considered
    a vacation...
    
    They use draft horses (and occasionally a tractor) to pull a sleigh 
    around to collect the sap and then boil down the sap in the sugar 
    house.. 
    
    I used to complain about how expensive "real" maple syrup was.. now
    that I know what it takes to make it, I don't think peole charge
    enough.. (-;
    
    Have a good week...
    
    Kathleen
    
    
    
    

          Oh Kathleen!! I'm so envious.. Working in a sugar shack draft
    horses toting buckets.. Yep it's work but certainly my kinda vacation..
    
          hope you have fun,
    
    bob

           I've heard kinda through the grapevine that there's a perception
    that some of us regulars are a bunch of wild party animals.. From
    reading some of the notes in here I guess I could see where some people
    might get that impression. In actuality a lot of us were in a position
    of being bored of hanging around on the homefront... Yet were also
    nervous about going to clubs, pool halls, dinner, etc alone. The
    current group of people that go out regularly creates a sort of safe
    zone at events they attend. They're certainly not a rowdy buch and 
    speaking as a person who's been a wallflower most of his life... They
    make me feel downright comfortable and welcome. Even my kids after
    meeting some of them at the Border are very anxious to go to family or
    other events.. As they put it they're a cool bunch of people.. My kids
    are failry shy too so it was a thrill for me to hear them so excited
    about rafting and camping with some of the SCHAT folks. So for those
    that may be hesitant about attending activities because they think
    we're a wild bunch.. Rest assured we're not. It's simply a safe way to
    go out and socialize..
    
    
          Bob

Nice note Bob!

B

         Thanks Barb.. To be perfectly honest had I not known Joyce as a
    friend I'd have been reluctant to go to any Schat activities. Color me
    a shyguy. 
    
    bob

    re: .297 by DANGER::ASKETH
    
    >> Nice note Bob!
    
    says the Wolf to the sheep.
    
    :-p

    	There you go again Bob, not completing your thoughts and leaving me
    hanging in the breeze... :-)
    
    	What Bob meant was, he's very shy and if he hadn't known me
    already, he would not have gone on an adventure.
    
    	While we get silly and have a good time, we're not party animals -
    I just got tired of sitting home and this was a natural outlet for my
    social director skills :-)
    
    joyce

	It's very easy to aquire the "Party Animal" monicker. Many
	years ago, when I was a social director in other notesfiles
	(WhoAreYou, Friends, early Singles, etc...), I got branded
	a "Party Animal". 

	The branding usually came from quiet, reserved people who
	yearned to have the fun I was having (and am still having
	at 35). I felt bad because I used to be, and sometimes still
	can be, quiet and reserved. I was the painfully shy person
	in high school. You'd never think that now.

	So, to the quiet, reserved people out there who yearn to
	have fun, and don't like the bar scenes and stuff, GET
	OUT THERE. It takes a while, it's uncomfortable at first, 
	but before you know it, you're wondering why you are
	being called a Party Animal just because you like to get
	out and dance.

							mike

    re:  .301...
    
    right on, Mike...
    
    /b

         Joyce I like leaving you hanging in the breeze ;-) Ya know it's
    hard for a guy to admit he's on the shy side. Well mayhaps not as hard
    whilst sitting behind a keyboard. But from the inception of Schat I
    knew a friend of yours would be easygoing, caring, and sensitive like
    you are.. I'll try not to leave you hanging in the breeze in the
    future. You might catch a cold...
    
             bob

    
    	*Aaaaaaachooo* :-)
    
    joyce

    
>	The branding usually came from quiet, reserved people who
>	yearned to have the fun I was having (and am still having
>	at 35). I felt bad because I used to be, and sometimes still
>	can be, quiet and reserved. I was the painfully shy person
>	in high school. You'd never think that now.
    
    I tend to be either (or both), with no in between, and without a lot 
    of control over it depending on mood (seriously).  It's kind of a 
    problem, or at least sometimes I feel it is...
    
    glenn
    

    	Note to anyone considering joining us at play time:
    
    
    	Our current group of singles is made up of all-- 
    -let me state that louder--***ALL*** kind souls.
    
    Genuine, friendly, (make you feel immediately
    comfortable and at home) singles go to these things.
    We have a great deal in common, you see--
    we're all in the same place, we've just come here 
    from different directions....
    
    	Please join us,
    	Jan (shy too, really!)
                                                

    
    	BAHHH - you shy Jan?!?!?!   Now that's a fib if I ever heard
    one!!!!   Heck that's like saying I don't talk much :-)
    
    joyce

    I think a lot of people have a basic shyness that they are just
    able to put aside.  I know my stomach goes into knots big time
    meeting new people, but I just try to ignore it and trudge on.
    
    Your feelings for a person, too, can make a difference.  I mean,
    I can talk every day to somebody and be fine...but should an
    "attraction" develop, then I become shy, stupid, tongue-tied (yes, 
    even I ;-> ).
    
    But I think the group is great.  I like that we continue to get
    together with an atmosphere of friends.  It's been asked of me,
    "Doesn't it get territorial?".  Well, I don't think so.  I like
    that it isn't a "let's see who winds up with who" atmosphere.  It's
    just fun.  
    
    						cj *->
    
    

    Are all these gatherings for the thirtysomething crowd?
    
    Dolores

>    Are all these gatherings for the thirtysomething crowd?
    
They are for whoever would like to join us Dolores!!!

B

       yep I'm in the 40 something crowd even though I often try to act a
    bit younger.. 
    
    bb

    
    	Hey! 44 and d@mned proud of it!! and those 30
    	somethings? Why, they act just like us!!!
    
    	come on down!
    	Jan 

    
    	We only act like you so you won't be as noticeable to others.
    
    	8^)
    

    Dolores - do go - I wish I could be there - but I've got plans!  Heck
    you already know Barb well - the rest - well they're A-OK and don't
    bite either :-)
    
    hugs
    
    joyce

    re:.313
    
    
    	You mean they're my camouflage?  Cool! Thanks guys!!!
    
    	Jan

    
         Hi all,
    
         Geez, Joyce goes away for a vacation and the file dries up!
    
                                                       Just kidding,
                                                        Mike.

OK, folks, come get those cupcakes!!!  Pole 23C.

B

    Wish I was down there !  Would be nice to eat a cupcake without
    a room full of people waiting to watch!   
    
    (And no, I'm not going to describe how to eat a cupcake again!)
    
    						cj *->

WEll, I can save you one for Wed. to take home with you.  ;-)

>    (And no, I'm not going to describe how to eat a cupcake again!)
 

	As I recall, it started with "first, you lick off all the
frosting..."

				--D

        re:318 Well if I remember your wording. "First you lick off all of
    the frosting" it was chocolate "savoring every moment" . Then you can
    eat the cupcake without getting a chocolate moustache ;-)... You
    wouldn't eat in front of us so proceeded to the back room where that
    mysterious catalog was to enjoy your desert ;-)
    
    
          bb

    ok ok...you guys ;->
    
    (this isn't even what earned me 1020 on the zinger board
      either)
    					cj *->

I just got a huge chuckle remembering Barbs bug. ohhhh,
I was going to write some stuff, but this is work. I
will just leave well enough alone.

					Harry

    re: .323 by WRKSYS::HARRY
    
    >> I will just leave well enough alone.
    
    NO!  Say something, Harry.  We won't tell.
    
    ;-)

Oh Harry, now don't be a tease!!!  We all know now that you're not shy!!

;-)

    	I'll be at dinner tomorrow night (1/2 alive but there) so bring me
    one of those cupcakes woman!
    
    joyce

>    	I'll be at dinner tomorrow night (1/2 alive but there) so bring me
>    one of those cupcakes woman!
    
Yes maam!!!!!!!!!!!

    Where was the car-b-q on 495 this morning?
    
    					cj *->

    Hi,
    
    I passed it, but being in my morning fog, I couldn't tell you exactly
    where it was... It was on the North bound side somewhere around
    Westford... I think... 
    
    The firetrucks had just gotten there when I was going by... 

The car was up on the flatbed when I went by.  It was just a little bit south
of route 4 - Westford/Chelmsford.  Was thankful it was the other direction -
traffic was backed up way past the Westford exit.  ;-(

    every time I see "schat" - all I can think of - is poop :-)
    
    just had to share that!
    
    joyce-who-calls-it-chat 

    re: .331 by PCBUOA::DEWITT
    
    >> every time I see "schat" - all I can think of - is poop :-)
    
    My first reaction was the same, but who am I to argue with Bob.
    (I think I saw him use it first!)
    
    >> just had to share that!
    
    That's "schare."  ;-)
    
    /Bill

    	Glad I'm not alone with that one - I modified my entry to "chat"
    not "schat".
    
    joyce

    	Tuesday a.m. staff meetings - interesting concept...
    
    j

    
    Just for curiosity sake, i checked the stairwell in PKO and there
    weren't any cameras visible.. (-;
    
    

         Yeah I think they took em out after I decided to start doing my
    stretching exercises last winter under the stairwell ;-) I guess I
    wasn't entertaining enough.. That's good to hear though I hadn't really 
    thought there were cameras there anyway
    
    bob

    cj's struck again - my dryer died last night...
    
    on the up side - I'm having a chocolate chip cookie for breakfast!
    
    j

    wow...I was wondering how long before people's dryers started
    going.
    
    Refrigerators - beware!
    						cj *->

             cj  my furnace went ballistic on Wednesday I giggled thinking
    omigod cj's been here!! It was going on and off like every 15 seconds.
    So I hit the emergency shutoff and pulled the electronic thermostat.
    Turns out the contacts were just dirty.. Certainly not a cj kinda
    malady.. I apologize for thinking nasty thoughts prior to uncovering
    the problem..
    
         bb

    
    	Nooo - it was cj - she's an appliance hazard :-)
    
    joyce

    Bob, you probably just got off easy because my allergy
    to your cats was blocking my "waves"  ;->   Oh no!  I
    know...it was messing with my aura :-) :-) :-)
    
    						cj *->

         Naw she hasn't been to your place for awhile... The residual
    affect should only last a coupla days ;-)
         If you want I can get my tools together and see if it's
    repairable??
         On another front... I got a 9.9% raise at Sears this week. They
    said they could get me another 1-2 dollars if I take a home study
    course on Micro Waves or Lawn tractors.. Plus that they have a new and
    improved college reimbursement program.. Something tells me they figure
    I'm planning on leaving and they're trying to sweeten the pot.. 
         I've gone from transmisssssiiion yep I think I fixed a
    transmission once before to.. Mickey Wave hmmm can't you get hurt if
    you touch this wire over heZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZre ZAP.
    
    bb

    
    I don't know Bob.. I had cats, and CJ has been to my place a few times
    and nothing has broken.. 
    
    so maybe there is some truth to this allergy theory.. (-;
    
    

Nah, I've got cats and a furnace AND fridge that's acting up.  ;-)    
    

    Well, now you've gone and done it, Kathleen!  Best to keep me
    out of your car and home.  Tomorrow....maybe you should come
    by *my* place!  :-)
    						cj *->

    Ah, Barb, but I really radiated at your house!  :-)
    
    					cj *->

>    Ah, Barb, but I really radiated at your house!  :-)
    
Yes you did!!!!

;-)

         So that explains why it was warm at Barb's house... Hmmm cj's hot
    stuff ;-)
    
    bob

    
    	And Barb and CJ together would give the furnace a run for its
    	money, for sure.
    

         re:349 That they would Barb and cj are both definitely cute. At
    Barb's party I thought all of the young ladies looked quite fine. Both
    inside and out what a crowd... It's one of the things to smile about of
    late. Works been insane but my singles chat buddies keep me
    entertained. 
    
    bob

HI Jan,

	Just got your phone message and tried to call you.

						Harry

    For all you appliance assasins out there perhaps you could help. My
    washing machine is leaving the clothes soapy and wet and not
    rinsed/spin dried enough. Is there something simple I am missing or
    something I could look for?
    
    And cj.... did you happen to fly over Toronto in the last few weeks?
    :-) it would mean my washer is hosed and needs to be repaired...
    
    Jim

    	Ok - we're converting to exchange over here and I'm starting to get
    a little nervous - anyone know how to get to notes from exchange?
    
    thanks!
    
    joyce

    
    	Exchange is a mail system, it's not a replacement for VMS.  You
    	can't get to NOTES from Exchange.
    
    	However, if they take VMS away from you completely, NOTES is a-
    	vailable via the WWW, using the following format:
    
    	http://www-notes.lkg.dec.com/node/conference/
    
    	at least for the time being.
    

    	Shawn - I know its a mail system - I've seen several notes in other
    conferences that show a nodename::username that appears to be an
    exchange account - hence the question - they must be using the
    http://www-notes.lkg.dec.com/node/conference thingie....
    
    thanks
    
    joyce

    Joyce, once you access the conference on the web, you can identify
yourself
    however you want.  The system doesn't do any sort of verification.

[Posted by WWW Notes gateway]

    You can be anyone you want to be.

    8^)

[Posted by WWW Notes gateway]

    	Hey cut that out!  I'm cuter than you! :-P
    
    	And many thanks for the info!
    
    oh and a hug :-)
    
    joyce

let's see how this works....

the real joyce
[Posted by WWW Notes gateway]

I think I like viewing notes from VMS better!

joyce
[Posted by WWW Notes gateway]

    
    	Yes, especially when you realize that there is no NEXT UNSEEN on
    	the web.
    
    	8^)
    

    	We took a power hit - I had slight notes withdrawal - so I called
    Daryll and insulted him - I feel much better now :-)
    
    joyce

	You can get a Windows version of Notes also. It can
	use your current NOTES$NOTEBOOK file to keep your
	unseen map.

	I keep a VMS system, AXEL, just for notes.
							mike

    Kathleen,
    
    Why can't I reach your VAXmail...I keep getting some user
    specification error, something about @AOL.COM.  Tried both
    BOOKIE and ORION.
    
    						cj *->

	RE: .364

	Because she's trying to forward it to her AOL account, which,
	BTW, is not allowed within Digital. (You can't forward your
	mail to an outside address)

	Try sending to BOOKIE::_KENYON to avoid the forwarding.

							mike

    This... is the *first* time I have ever started Notes and there
    werren't any new messages in the Singles Chat forum.
    
    Are you all ok? I mean, I took Friday off and there were 134 new
    messages when I got in Monday am..grin...
    
    Jim

    
    I thought Doug had packed up his toys and gone home 8^).
    

    	Could be the weather James - we got a blizzard you know...
    
    	Most facilities closed till noon - MA has been declared a state of
    emergency.
    
    joyce-still-at-home-and-snowed-in

    
    	I was out today ... logged in at about 5PM and couldn't connect
    	so I didn't say anything in here.
    
    	Lots of shovelling ... about 30" of snow in Uxbridge.  My Supra
    	is buried.
    

    	They did such a lovely job of plowing the development I live in,
    that is, when they finally got around to it.  That the entrance/exit is
    a rink.  So I approached cautiously this a.m., knowing it was a mess.
    
    	As I slid out into the road, infront of the oncoming school bus I
    thought - ohmygod I'm gonna get smushed by a school bus!!!!  As fate
    would have it - I stopped mere inches from the bus - whew!
    
    joyce

I believe I've had enough now thanks. 

No more.....or I'm going to take a hostage or something.

any volunteers? :-)

daryll

    hmmm.... interesting idea.... would you require they
    shovel?  Would you feed them well?
    
    (great, negotiating to become a hostage for negotiating.  Kind
    of defeats the purpose, you think?)
    						cj *->

We'll let's hope there's no more shovelling involved ok?

daryll

    works for me!  :-)

Just to set the record straight, I'm not really going to take a 
hostage.

Got more than enough already.

    But fun is fun and not everything needs to be taken literally
    and seriously, eh?  :-)
    
    I actually did and didn't luck out on the shovelling thing.  I
    had help, my neighbor came over with his snowblower.  But the
    (older) guy across the street never came out and did his.  Now,
    the past two winters he's come over with his snowblower whenever
    he's been well enough and plowed me out.  He was not able to do
    his yesterday.  So I asked my friend to go over there with me and
    shovel him out and he agreed to do that.   (He wound up doing a
    lot more than I).  
    
    But now I have that "good neighbor" feeling that I got to return
    the favor at least once!
    						cj *->

I have a great deal going with my neighbor, we share a common driveway.
During the winter he snowblows the driveway, and during the summer I ride 
around a mow the common lawn area. He did another outstanding job yesterday.
I sholved a 10 inch wide for the mailman. If he doesn't like, he can come 
back when it melts. I get my good neighbor feeling whenever I see them
working outside to hard, I stop them and make them have a beer...

Never mind 3 cats in a bed for heat...3 people in a bed for real body heat

    	This one's unbelievable - a customer actually suggested I leave my
    home number on his voicemail...
    
    joyce

    You know, that is as funny as it sounds, Joyce.  But then, I
    know with our 800 line, people have their own dtn's also.  Or,
    he may have been transferred to you.  
    
    But on the surface, it's a "duh" kind of thing!
    
    Reminds me of when I had to go to the hospital to have Angeline.
    I wanted to go to my sister's first so I could page David to tell
    him it was time to meet me.  I called my sister from a payphone.
    When she answered I asked, "Are you home?"  (In my mind I meant -
    "are you in for the evening - not about to leave).  But to her it
    sounded pretty strange, as it would to anyone else.
    
    						cj *->

    	We keep doing the phone tag thing - he suggested I leave him my
    home phone - hah - not in a million years - I don't even think my new
    supervisor has it!
    
    	But, I hear you!
    
    j

    RE Joyce:
    
    I just booked some hotel rooms for my club and she has a code name, in
    this case CANADA so that I can get a hold of her when I call back.
    
    One must be careful today...
    
    
    Steve

    Oh!  I didn't realize you meant your home phone!  Ha!  That
    would be the day, eh?
    					cj *->

RE: 

>Note 31.64                          MUSIC...                            64 of 67
>SALEM::DODA "Pacing the cage"                        51 lines   2-APR-1997 13:06

>.
>.
>.
>Through this would I've stumbled 
>.
>.
>.

What???  Could it be???  Could it possibly be???????  Did DARYLL make a typo??
How does one stumble through a would???

;-P

Pulled it off the web Barb.

Don't be silly.

>Pulled it off the web Barb.

What???  And you didn't proof it before posting it???????

I'm much too busy.

>I'm much too busy.

Ah, but you had time to go find it on the web and post it here!!

    
    <hush falls over the crowd>
    

Fine. I couldn't be bothered to proof the damn thing.

Happy?

    
    SOMEBODY didn't have his nap today.
    

Barb, it appears to be your turn now.

    	Err I thought yesterday was pick on Daryll day - no wait - 
    
    
        every day is pick on Daryll day - he's so pickable :-)
    
    joyce
    	

    	Deb - I love your electronic sheep - its great!  Thanks Barb for
    sharing it!
    
    joyce

Oh!  Terribly sorry, I was otherwise occupied!!!  ;-P

	Duck! Incoming!

>                                -< So sue me. >-

>Fine. I couldn't be bothered to proof the damn thing.

>Happy?

Oh yes!  Quite happy now thanks!!

So, are you in a less defensive mood today Daryll???????

;-P

I'm much better today. Much.

    glad to hear it.. (-;
    
    

>I'm much better today. Much.

Well that, of course, is due to the fact that you saw us all at lunch today!!

;-)

Well yes....

That and medication....    

    Oh!  I can't believe I forgot to post this this morning!
    
    My dishwasher temporarily died on me last night!  I have no
    clue what happened...but it didn't work for about ten minutes.
    It was running fine, but I noticed it took a real long time to
    go into the rinse cycle.  The heat was pouring out of the thing!
    I tried to advance to the rinse, but the water did not kick in.
    I went completely around the dial - no response.  Tried a couple
    of times then gave it up.
    
    It's just over a year old so I figured I'd call Circuit City today.
    
    Just before bed, for the heck of it, I tried again.  Worked fine..
    
    Go figure it....
    
    May mean all your furnaces are now safe!
    							cj *->

    	If my dishwasher breaks - you're in deep sneakers!
    
    joyce

           Hmmm sounds as if your motor overheated.. Were you doing the 
    Macarena or some other such thing that may have made the kitchen too
    warm ;-)
    
           bb

    re .401
    
    cj:
    
    Check that the float at the bottom of the dishwasher is free.  It's a
    plastic thingy probably about the size of a can of soup (well, more
    accurately -- the size of a can of Niblets corn) that floats up with
    the water level and triggers a safety switch to shut the water off if
    the level gets too high.  Maybe when the water drained it got stuck in
    the up position (that's happened to me -- I mean, getting stuck in
    the... -- hee, hee.  2 points for the technodroid)
             
    Tony

    	Tony you are *so* resourceful!
    
    joyce

          Tony what kind of vitamins do you take?? The rest of my reply
    can't possibly be entered because I'm a good boy...
    
    bob

    Bob,
    
    Actually, they really ARE working on a pill for "it".  This will
    replace the currently used self-injection for "it".  (Sends chills down
    my spine thinking of such an injection).
    
    Tony

    
    	Vitamin I?  I thought it was Vitamin E.
    
    	[I'll wait a bit and let that sink in.]
    

         OUCH!!! I'd rather be celibate than give myself an injection
    there. Imagine oh honey wait a second whilst I go give myself an
    injection.. She hears a blood curdling scream. Would kinda put a damper
    on things ;-)
    
    bb

    
         So, does anyone know what the policy is for a state of emergency?
    
         I was very confused, seeing how they managed to only close the
            Hudson site from 8:00 to 12:00, like all the others, but
            a state of emergency was in effect till noon on wednesday.
    
         It was my understanding that if there was a state of emergency
            declared that non-essential businesses would close? Is this
            more of a guide-line than a rule?
    
                                                         Thank you,
                                                          Mike.

    Tony,
    
    Thanks for that suggestion.  Sound feasible and I'm going to
    watch that!
    						cj *->

           Hmm my lips are too thin wonder what an injection would do to
    them ;-)
    
    bb 
         

    	Mike - the state of emergency was so that (I believe) the state
    could utilize certain funds and the national guard.
    
    	Bottom line for us, the powers that be, have decide we don't have
    to use vacation for the 4 hrs the facilities were open, if we didn't
    come into work.
    
    joyce

RE: .412

	I am *NOT* even going to go there.. No sir.

	:)

							mike

    	Joan sent me this really cool "Left Brain - Right Brain"
    self-assessment test - I'm having a blast with it.
    
    j

    Joyce,
    
    Lyndon in our office gave me that test... I finished dead center and
    was told I am often in conflict with myself.. grin.. very cute
    actually....

    Joyce,
    
    Glad you are having fun with it.  I also finished pretty close to the
    middle.  It also told me that I would probably have different results
    each time I ran it.  I am going to do it again on Monday, since I 
    figure by then I won't remember my answers from the first time.
    
    One of my favorite, is the one where you calculate your next bonus
    check...
    
    Joan
    

    	Two out of three came back "balanced hemispheric dominance and a
    strong visual preference."  Once "somewhat left-hemisphere dominant
    with a balanced preference for auditory and visual inputs.  Because of
    your 'centrist' tendencies, the distinctions between various types of
    brain usage are somewhat blurred."  
    
    	They asked you different questions each time...
    
    joyce

    
         Errr, so what is this? Something you can share with the
            rest of us? Or something that requires a PEECEE?
    
                                                     In the right state of
                                                      mind,
                                                       Mike.

    I've lost my mind, so I'd flunk that test from the get-go!
    
    						cj *->

    You may want to try the test a couple of times -- there seem to be
    multiple versions (we found at least 4).  I need to do another
    couple.... my results were so skewed to left brain (logical) and away
    from visual (which is what I was sure I'd be given how I learn) that I
    don't believe the results, nor do any of the people around here who
    know me.... I was really amazed at how I mapped out.  I was sure I'd be
    more 'middle of the road' between left and right brain, and very
    visual!    

    re: .421 by JULIET::MULOCK_PA
    
    >> my results were so skewed to left brain (logical) and away from
    >> visual (which is what I was sure I'd be given how I learn) that I don't
    >> believe the results, nor do any of the people around here who know
    >> me....
    
    You're attempting to apply logic to the results of a test.
    
    How left-brained of you.  ;-)

    re:420 Yep I don't think I'd want to take that one either. Unless
    there's a way of answering with the left and right hand....Naturally
    without them seeing what the other is doing.. I'm a reconstituted
    leftie2 except they reconstituted it to my right hand. I can write 
    with both hands, bat just as well leftie or rightie.. The biggie is if
    I try to take a slapshot rightie playing hockey I end up on my arse.
    So I shoot leftie playing hockey ;-) It's amazing the things my right
    hand catches my left hand doing... I'm a bit too ambidextrous. Which
    ulitimately screws up the ole kidneys.. ;-)
    
    bb 

    Ambidextrous?  So as a teen, you didn't have to plan ahead about which
    side of the couch to sit on?  Does that also mean that your nose never
    gets in the way when you kiss?  Or is that nosidextrous?
    
    Tony 

          ummm the ole snozz can be an interesting "G" spot if you know how
    to use it.. Ya don't thing that Eskimos really rub noses cause they're
    afraid their lips will freeze together now do you ;-)
    
    bob

    but Bob...
    
    
    when yer sittin with yer hunny
    and yer nose is gettin runny
    people think it's funny
    but it'snot

           re:426 put em up on the board I think I just peed myself from
    laughing so hard. 
    
          or in the bygone but not forgotten kiddie days.
    
         nothin would be sweeter 
         than ta pick it and to eat it
         in the maaaaaaawnin.
         nothin would be finer than a
         booger ...... well you get the idea
    
         back li'l kid back back!!!
    
    
    bb

          one more
    
    sittin with yer hunny and
    her nose is kinda runny
    and the next atchoo is
    aimed at you... 
    Oh sorry did I get any one you?
    GAG!
    
    bb

    Bob!!!!!
    
    You kill me! I *still* remember my grade school rhymes... (grade 3 was
    the best 5 years of my life)....
    
    Ahh what a way to end the day... sitting here with this silly ol grin
    on my face happy people don't come in my office....
    
    Of course.. all I can hear in my head now is Weird Al's song: Gotta
    Boogie 
    
    Gotta Boogie
    Gotta Boogie
    Gotta Boogie
    I gotta boogie on my finger and I can't shake it off!!!!
    
    Well I went out to a party
    Just the other night
    I was jamming to the music
    I was feeling allright
    I was burnin up the floor
    Like a discomaniac
    When my woman said:
    "Baby: why's your hand behind your back???"
    
    I gotta boogie 
    ...... you get the idea....

    
    	Weird Al ROOLZ!!
    

    You guys are getting gross.... :-(
    
    					cj *->

    "getting"  ?

Back Up My Hard Drive? How do I Put it in Reverse?

I just got lost in thought. It was unfamiliar territory.

Everyone has a photographic memory. Some don't have film.

When the chips are down, the buffalo is empty.

Seen it all, done it all, can't remember most of it.

Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don't.

I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe.

He's not dead, He's electroencephalographically challenged.

She's always late. Her ancestors arrived on the Juneflower.

You have the right to remain silent....
Anything you say will be misquoted, then used against you.

I wonder how much deeper would the ocean be without sponges.

Honk if you love peace and quiet.

Pardon my driving, I am reloading.

Despite the cost of living, have you noticed how it remains so
popular?

Nothing is fool-proof to a sufficiently talented fool.

Diplomacy is saying "nice doggy" until you find a rock.

A day without sunshine is like, you know, night.

Save the whales. Collect the whole set.

Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

On the other hand, you have different fingers.

Change is inevitable. Except from a vending machine.

The 2 most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.

If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.

Money can't buy happiness ... But it sure makes misery easier to live
with.

Deja Moo:  The feeling that you've heard this bullshit before.

Psychiatrists say that 1 of 4 people are mentally ill.  Check 3
friends. If they're OK, you're it.

Nothing in the known universe travels faster than a bad check.

A truly wise man never plays leapfrog with a unicorn.

It has recently been discovered that research causes cancer in rats.

Always remember to pillage BEFORE you burn.

If you are given an open-book exam, you will forget your book.

The trouble with doing something right the first time is that nobody
appreciates how difficult it was.

It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a
warning to others.

Paul's Law:  You can't fall off the floor.

The average woman would rather have beauty than brains, because the
average man can see better than he can think.

Paranoids are people, too;  they have their own problems.
It's easy to criticize, but if everybody hated you, you'd be paranoid,
too.

A diplomat is someone who can tell you to go to hell and make you feel
happy to be on your way.

Clothes make the man.  Naked people have little or no influence on
society.

Vital papers will demonstrate their vitality by moving from where you
left them to where you can't find them.

Law of Probability Dispersal: Whatever it is that hits the fan will
not be evenly distributed.

RE: .433

For your enjoyment, I have just added these to my BumperSticker program.
Every time you run it, it picks a new one and prints it (like many of the
"cookie" programs around).

The image(s) can be copied from:
  \\NTBOX.zko.dec.com\NTLOCAL$\BSTICK.EXE (Win32 x86 version)
  \\NTBRAT.zko.dec.com\NTLOCAL$\BSTICK.EXE (Win32 Alpha version)

I'll make a DOS version if anyone really wants it ...

	Enjoy,
		Tg


(Hey ... - It's not a Web page - but it's something !!! :-)

    re: .434 by CANDOO::GRIEB
    
    >> (Hey ... - It's not a Web page - but it's something !!! :-)
    
    Well, I for one bow to THE MAN!  Real software beats web fluff
    any day in my book.  ;-)  Twinkle twinkle (private reference for tg)

    	Its quiet today - does everyone have spring fever? :-)
    
    joyce

    re .436
    
    We still love you Joyce :-) but it's Monday and I have been denied
    coffee for this WHOLE WEEK so my system is going into shock and I am
    not dealing well with the realities of Monday morning life.
    
    James
    (aka: waterboy)

I just got my Sox season tickets and have a list of 1st pass 
games that I'm selling off.

They're 1st base box seats and face value is $42/pair.

Drop me a line if you're interested. 

    	James, been through caffeine withdrawl - not fun - of course mine
    was soda caffeine - I don't drink coffee...   Good luck!
    
    joyce

    
    Thanks to Joyce and Barb for ensuring I got the bighorn sheep.
    
    You can spank that little sucker with the hand that appears every now
    and then.  Why you'd want to spank the bighorn sheep is way beyond me,
    but it's fun nontheless.

    	Well I've missed that one Deane and I think I'll continue to miss
    it! 
    
    joyce

If you double click on the hand you'll get a control window for the sheep...

Gee, I always used to be the top of the paycheck pile....till this Arrighi
guy came along.  ;-)  Hi Tony...just being silly I guess.

B

    Ahem....
    
    Barb... your mailbox is getting a little too cozy with mine.  We're
    gonna have to roll up a blanket and put it between them (what movie was
    that from?)
    
    Tony

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
    
    post-lunch siesta?

           Hey Bill I saw esta yestaday.. I didn't know you knew her too!!
    
    bb

    
    	"If you knew Esta, like I knew Esta ..."
    

    soooo James,
    
    How was the bachelor party?????
    
    
    

    re .449
    
    Actually Kathleen it was very sedate. Everyone was feeding me booze
    waiting for the nutbar machine to rev up (as per the usual :->)but it 
    never happened. I just wanted to hang out with my buds and didn't get
    crazy. Seems a couple of guys took it personal... next weekend I have
    been told I am going on the road :-). But for the most part everything
    was fun, blurry, happy, and relatively sedate, although I'm the only
    one who seems ok with this....
    
    

Well, we missed you at the party James!!!

;-)

    Barb,
    
    A belated Happy Birthday.
    Sounds like "you" were
    celebrated in grand fashion!!
    
    Good for you.
    
    Dolores

    I really wish I could have attended and met you all.. especially now! I
    am embroiled in the benchmark from hell but it ends today I hope with
    great results and I suppose that's the main thing.
    
    However, this conference is a cheer-up pill for me :-) and I've missed
    it!
    
    James
    ps HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!!!

    
    I got this in the email today  (-; 
    
    40TH BODY FOUND!
    
    Apparently one of the less astute members of the cult
    was found under the kitchen sink
    
    ...behind the Comet.

    REal busy today, but have a couple of quick thoughts:
    
    Jan (oh, and Atlant) - thanks for the hug!   Jan, hope you have
    a WONDERFUL ;-> weekend.  
    
    Kathleen - thoughts with you and Bud
    
    James - saw my first hedgehog last night!  Cute little buggers!
    
    Ron - I'm not riding behind you if you're going to start dispensing
      beer bottles out your biking shorts all over the trail!  ;->
    
    						cj *->
    

    re: .455
    
    Well cj, how else are we going find our way back on the trails, huh?? 
    That's the reason I'm going!  DUH
    
    : )
    
    Ron

    re .455
    
    Oh my... you know that "Hedgehog" is a nickname stapled to my little
    forehead :-)  ... 
    
    heheheheheheheheheheh......
    
    James

    Gee, I couldn't decide if this made me smile or complain so I
    wound up here.
    
    Today I went to deposit the support check for Angeline, and 
    could not find it anywhere!  Panic set in (I saw my night tomorrow
    night going down the tubes fast because I'd need to take tomorrow's
    funds to pay the sitter today).  I don't know if her (Angeline's
    father) is home this weekend or not (he's working in New York).  So
    I placed a panic stricken message on his answering machine.
    
    Tonight, I'm supposed to go over one of my fav nephews house to see
    how handsome he is before he leaves for his senior prom.
    
    Angeline's father just called me from Springfield, MA on his way
    home from New York.  He wanted to come up and see Angeline tonight
    and offered to take us out to dinner.  He had NOT gotten my message,
    hadn't called home.  This was just a coincidence he called!
    
    Well, dilema--I have to see David to get the money, but really wanted
    to see my nephew, but hey - we're talking a dinner out too!.... Timing
    wouldn't allow both, so I wound up agreeing to go to dinner.
    
    Don't know if I'm glad or not!    :-(  :-)   
    
    Guess I'll have a better idea when my belly's full on David's tab ;->
    
    							cj *->
                                                              

    	Sounds like a deal to me - get Prime Rib! :-)
    
    j

    AH yes, Joyce, we do love our meat, don't we!  :-)
    
    					cj *->

    	cj - sounds like its getting time to organize another dinner at The
    Border! :-)
    
    joyce

    Sure!  I haven't seen Deviline for a few weeks now!  ;->
    
    					cj *->
    					

>    	cj - sounds like its getting time to organize another dinner at The
>    Border! :-)
    
Yeah!  Maybe I can actually eat my meal this time around!!  Never did eat any
of the tuna I brought home.  ;-(  And I suppose I'll give the twice baked's
another chance.  ;-)  (JOyce and I went there the night before the circus, when
I was sick.)

    	Yeah - the twice bakes were *salty* that night... :-(
    
    	How's next week-end sound?  Th, Fri, Sat and Sun are the prime rib
    days!
    
    joyce

    Hi,
    
    This is a combination of a grumble and me pleading for help... (-;
    I have an appliance dilemma... first the grumble:
    
    I bought new appliances when I moved into the duplex, now I'm moving
    out and have to move the appliances... I tried to sell them but found
    that they aren't even worth a 1/3 of what I paid for them....
    Never buy new appliances unless they are going to be a part of the
    household for 25-30 years... 
    
    now the dilemma:
    
    I need to move the washer, dryer, and small refrigerator out my
    apartment by Sunday at 8:00pm...  I will rent a uhaul and a moving
    dolly type thing, but need some help moving the appliances... 
    
    If those of you in the Nashua area could donate sometime Saturday
    morning to help me, I would GREATLY appreciate it...  the appliances
    are going from Nashua to Billerica...   
    
    thanks... 
    
    

    
    	Well, if you were actually located on my half of the world I would
    	have no problem helping you.  8^)
    
    	Heck, if no one else is available, let me know and I'll see what I
    	can do anyways.
    

    re: .465 by BOOKIE::KENYON
    
    I was looking for something to do Saturday morning.  Count me in.
    
    Bill

    
    	Thank you Bill ... looks like I'm off the hook.
    
    	8^)
    

    Shawn --  applianc*es* - Bill can't do it all! ;->
    
    					cj *->

    I can probably help, as long  as it doesn't start at 7am...
    
    I have a sturdy moving cart...
    
    /b

    
    Hi,
    
    I was able to get a uhual and help... thanks to everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    ps... Bud took out his stitches and was bleeding all over my parents
    house.. I took him to the vet and he is being restitched and will come
    home with one of those cone things on his head....  
    
    

    	Ahh the "angry flower" look as my niece calls it - what it those
    things sting when you get wacked with them!
    
    joyce

    Don't know how much help I would be but let me know if you need an
    extra set of hands to move appliances.
    
    Wendy

    Hey Bill - I did log on...    :-)
    
    joyce

    re: .474 by PCBUOA::DEWITT
    
    >> Hey Bill - I did log on...    :-)
    
    You're a person of your word, Joyce, unlike me.  I didn't help
    Kathleen today.  Stood her up.
    
    Bill (who should be at Terry's right now)

Well, it was quite the chat event weekend!

Kathleen, CJ and I did the SM dinner Friday night.  After CJ left for points
south, Bruce and Dave got there and we spent the rest of the night talking
about CJ.  ;-)  Charley Dee's was great as usual.  Bruce and I  even made
our own dance floor.

Then Sat morning was bike trek #2.  My first time on a mountain bike!  I 
WANT ONE!!!  I'd borrowed my sister's bike which was less than optimal but
still fun.  Dave, Bill, Ron and I hit the trails in Mine's Falls Park in
Nashua for awhile and then headed back to Dave's house so I could switch
to my road bike.  We then went *back* to Mine's Falls to hit the paved trails.
Did that for awhile and decided we needed more adventure so we headed west
on 111 and paid CJ a visit.  ;-)  After that we headed back instead of our
original plan of more riding cause the storm appears to be getting closer and
closer.  I think it was around noon when the adventure ended (no, we didn't
get caught in the storm!).  I even got some yard work in when I got home.

And, yes, Sat night was Terry's bash.  Great party house Terry!  ;-)  Great
party too!  I couldn't sing at rehearsal last night - I was still too out of 
breath from the great "blow ping pong" match.  ;-)  Barb, Dave and Ron rule!!
(not sure I want to see those pictures!)  Pool, darts, normal ping pong, the
labyrinth (I got up to 44 btw!), the cartridge in a bare tree...fun night!!
Hey Ed, oops I mean Glenn ;-) , where were you??  We missed you, and others
that didn't make it.

Great weekend!!  (even our set move in yesterday went well!)

Barb

    A fun party Terry!! Thanks for having us!!!
    
    My cheeks STILL hurt from Blow Pong :-)
    Actually, I think I INHALED one!
    Darn right Barb, our team ruled!!! Wait, is this an
    event we should really be proud of???   :-)
    I reserve my opinion till I see the pictures.
    
    What do ya think all, can we work our way up to Blow Darts, Blow Pool 
    and maybe even Blow Tennis????  hehe
    
    Barb, Dave and Bill...had a blast biking!!!! Mines Falls is a kewl
    place. Felt great to get exercise in the brisk fresh air.    
    Perfect timing, I too made it home just in time to do some yard
    work.  Started raining 10min after I finished spreading fertilizer.
    Sunday, my dandylions exploded into full bloom.
    
    Cheers!
    
    Ron
    
    

    
    Thanks to Bruce, Doug, and Mike for helping me move my appliances....
    
    I really, really appreicated it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    

Hey, someone over in CLASSIFIED_ADS is willing to pay $80 each for a washer 
and dryer.

By my calculations, that's $210 more than I figure you're going to make off of 
them.

8^)

    re: Mr. Labounty... (-;
    
    I sold them - even got my asking price - 
    
    
    

    Happy Wedding James!
    
    Its' coming up soon isn't it?
    
    

Glad to hear it, Kathleen.

    
    I got Bud's test results... all three tumors were benign. 
    His stitches come out today...
    
    
    

    Great news!  

YAHOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

;-)

    	YES!   That's *great* news and I'm really happy to hear that!!!!
    
    joyce

    
    	ohhh-- good ole' Bud! he comes through again....
    
    	Hugs to both of you...
    	Jan

         Great news Kathleen!! Now we'll be able to make a toast to Bud's
    good news tomorrow!!
    
    bob

    Really wanted to try that biking the coast Sunday.  But,  I've
    already told Angeline we're buying her "undies" tonight and this
    weekend we're giving a shot at the old training pants.  
    
    Needless to say, we are not straying far from home  ;->
    
    And..ready for a *groan*???
    
    I expect it'll be a sh**ty weekend.   ;->
    
    (I be REAL bad)
    							cj *->

    re: .489 by CSLALL::JACQUES_CA
    
    I can't contain myself!
    
    ;-)

�                  <<< Note 25.490 by TARKIN::LIN "Bill Lin" >>>

�    I can't contain myself!
    
    oh no!  training pants for  Bill, too!

    re: .491 by JARETH::LARU
    
    > oh no!  training pants for  Bill, too!
    
    Pretty good setup if I say so myself.
    
    ;-)

    
    re: cj....
    
    I bet this weekend will just be a pis-
    
    sa!
    
    

            BAWWWWWW-HAWWWWWWWWW giggle giggle..... cj you slay me
    sometimes!!.. Good luck 
    
    
    bob

    really crappy humor in here, don't you think?

    stinky...

    party pooper!

    	Happy Mother's Day to all it applies to...
    
    joyce

    Just finished speaking with Mom.  ;-)
    
    .498> Happy Mother's Day to all it applies to...
    
    Yeah, ditto, and to those who will be mothers.  ;-)
    
    Say, Joyce, you were last in here "last night" and first in again this
    morning.  You must not have slept much.  Dinner and play too much
    excitement for one day?  ;-)
    
    Love to all,
    
    Bill

Confuscious says:

"Late to bed, early to rise, makes you so you can't open your 
eyes."

    	Well guys, I'm paying the piper now :-(   
    
    	Had a *great* day with my mom - but driving home on Rte 2 I had to 
    fight to stay awake.
    
    	Don't think 9:00 will find me awake...
    
    joyce

    	Bill you know how those wild social events go, when you get home,
    it takes an hour or so to "wind down" :-)
    
    	The joys of having 4 legged children - Max demands to be let out
    between 5 and 6 a.m. - even on the week-ends.  I managed to sneak an
    extra hour or so this morning, before his  "feed me" bark forced me to
    get up...
    
    joyce

    <**SMILE**>
    
    Yes Kathleen, the big day is this coming Saturday. Haven't had much
    time to dwell on it thank God what with all the nutso things happening
    here but it is close.
    
    My, but it hasn't been that long it seems when I just met the lass.
    Where does the time go?
    
    Gotta love this though. I am the only person on staff in my center
    right now. I am working on *3* projects which I need to complete by
    weekeend along with final rehearsal, fittings, endless company...
    <sigh>.
    
    Actually.. it's fun....
    
    James

    Are you working this whole week, James?
    
    				cj *->

    Yup... up to the very last minute. But I expect it shall be a very
    rewarding week with the grand prize at the end :-)
    
    But the projects are mostly things I really enjoy so it will fly.
    
    Hey.. this week I actually caught up on Singles_Chat and even have a
    few minutes here and there to post! Last week I was using my notebook
    as a serial terminal and my Prioris 6200 as a workstation for a test.
    Hell I even started looking for kitchen sinks :-).
    
    I love this job.. I really do.
    
    James

    May last day at MK0 is Thursday (assuming I get everything packed...)
    
    8-(
    
    The bad news is ZK0 is a longer ride to work and the back wall of my
    office is     !!! ORANGE !!!
    
    The good news I will be closer for lunch...
    
    Steve

    
    Well, Steve, let me know when you arrive!!  I've been in that
    orange section.  Shop for large posters and you will not mind
    the color.  It does tend to keep you "alert" at times.
    
    We used to call that bottom floor with red and orange walls,
    the dungeon or h*ll.
    
    I was hoping they would change that scheme.  
    
    Dolores

    Wasn't here yesterday.
    
    Really enjoyed dinner and the play Sat.
    night.  Mostly, I was glad to meet many 
    of you.  Now, that the ice is broken, I
    I hope to be able to join you again.
    
    Dolores

    	Well,  Max has managed to somehow injure his back.  He kept me
    awake 1/2 the night wimpering, I even called the vet at 10;45 p.m., 
    when he woke me up for the 3rd time.  Since it was *critical* she 
    said to just let him rest and drop him off if he wasn't any better, 
    this a.m.
    
    	In addition, he's got some upper GI problems, raided my pocketbook
    Sunday and ate various and sundry good items (certs, gum, tissues).
    
    	I left him there for observation on my way in and I just got the
    report - seems me and Miss Tasha will be doing the town on our own
    tonight :-)
    
    joyce

    
    I hope all is well with Max... What is it with these guys.. (-;
    
    Bud is back at the vet because he managed to take out the staples on
    his leg WITH the cone on... the vet is amazed... 
    
    hugs to Max...
    
    

    	Thanks Kathleen...  I haven't had a decent night's sleep since I
    went off the allergy meds, for the testing tomorrow.  I was worried
    about Max and listening to him wimper (something he never does) all
    night and feeling so helpless.  Today I'm a total zombie, as opposed to
    my usual plain zombie :-)
    
    joyce

         Get some rest Joyce.. Good luck with your own tests tomorrow
    too!!!
    
    bob

>    	Well,  Max has managed to somehow injure his back.  He kept me
>    awake 1/2 the night wimpering, I even called the vet at 10;45 p.m., 
>    when he woke me up for the 3rd time.  Since it was *critical* she 
>    said to just let him rest and drop him off if he wasn't any better, 
>    this a.m.

Ah, you mean wasn't *critical* I hope.  ;-)

I got to meet Bud last night!!  Complete with cone!  What a cutie!!  Got 
sufficiently kissed by him on the car ride home (ah, without the cone at that
point).  ;-)

Hugs to Bud, and to Max!!!!!

    	Sigh - yep - meant "wasn't" - haven't had much sleep lately...
    
    joyce

    	Well Maxie's in the hospital till at least Saturday.  Silly fella
    munching on my purse contents :-)  At least I'll get a couple nights
    without his 4 or 5 a.m. bathroom call :-)
    
    joyce

    	Imagine me be unable to talk :-)   Seems I've got allergy induced
    laryngitis.  I was losing my voice while reading bedtime stories last
    night and this morning I woke up and can barely talk. :-(   
    
    	Thought maybe it was the new spray and called the Allergist.  She 
    said that wasn't a side effect, but rather this was the cumulative 
    effect of having been off my allergy meds for the 3 days.
    
    	Funny, my nose and head feel great, clear, I can breathe again -
    just can't talk...
    
    joyce

    	Hey Bill Tarkin is unreachable :-(  
    
    	"same to you" :-)
    
    joyce

Who's Bill Tarkin?

New guy or something?

    	Egad, I forgot a comma!!!!!   uggghhhhh  
    
    joyce

Tarkin has been down and is still not fully
healthy.

Cheers,

Bill Tarkin  ;-)

Have a great weekend everyone!     

    The weekend's finally here for many.  Hugs to Jan for staying late
    tonight to earn us (DIGITAL) more money this quarter.
    
    Take extra care, everyone!
    
    Bill (staying a bit late also...)

Hey, I'm still here too!!  But leaving now...have a great one to whoever is
left here!!

B

Got this through the chat grapevine...

Hey!  The next chat event - a showing of 'The Wizard of Oz' with Pink Floyd's 
"Dark Side of the Moon" as the soundtrack!!

;-)


Subject: 	FW: Pink Floyd and the "Wizard of Oz"
Subj:	A Floydian Analysis of 'The Wizard of Oz'

Follow the Yellow Rock Road
A Floydian analysis
of 'The Wizard of Oz'

By HELEN KENNEDY
Daily News Staff Writer

Call it Dark Side of the Rainbow. Classic
rockers are buzzing about the amazingly weird
connections that leap off the screen when you play
Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon" as the
soundtrack to "The Wizard of Oz."

It sounds wacky, but there really is a bizarre
synchronization there. The lyrics and music join in
cosmic synch with the action, forming dozens upon
dozens of startling coincidences   the kind that
make you go "Oh wow, man" even if you haven't
been near a bong in 20 years.

Consider these examples: Floyd sings "the lunatic is
on the grass" just as the Scarecrow begins his floppy
jig near a green lawn. The line "got to keep the
loonies on the path" comes just before Dorothy and
the Scarecrow start traipsing down the Yellow Brick
Road.

When deejay George Taylor Morris at WZLX-FM
in Boston first mentioned the phenom on the air six
weeks ago, he touched off a frenzy.

"The phones just blew off the wall. It started on a
Friday, and that first weekend you couldn't get a
copy of 'TheWizard of Oz' anywhere in Boston," he
said. "People were staying home to check it out."

It's fun, he said, because everyone knows the
movie,and the album   which spent a
record-busting 591 straight weeks on the Billboard
charts   can be found in practically every record
collection.

Dave Herman at WNEW-FM in New York
mentioned the buzz a few weeks ago. The response
more than 2,000 letters   was the biggest ever
in the deejay's 25-year on-air career.

"It has been just unbelievable," said WNEW
program director Mark Chernoff. "I've never seen
anything like this. "

The station plans to show the movie using the album
as soundtrack at a small private screening tomorrow.

Rock fans always have loved to speculate about
hidden messages in their favorite albums. But seeking
connections between the beloved 1939 classic kid
flick and the legendary 1973 acid-rock album pushes
the envelope of the music conspiracy genre.

Nobody from the publicity-shy band would
comment, but Morris asked keyboardist Richard
Wright about it on the air last month. He looked
flummoxed and said he'd never heard of any
intentional connections between the movie and the
album.

But the fans aren't convinced it's just a cosmic
coincidence.

"I'm a musician myself and I know how hard it is just
to write music, let alone music choreographed to
action," said drummer Alex Harm, of Lowell,
Mass.,who put up one of the two Internet web pages
devoted to the synchroneities. "To make it match up
so well, you'd have to plan it."

Morris is convinced that ex-frontman Roger Waters
planned the whole thing without letting his fellow
band members in on the secret.

"It's too close. It's just too close. Look at the song
titles. Look at the cover. There's something going on
there," Morris said.

Here's how it works. You start the album at the
exact moment when the MGM lion finishes its third
and last roar. It might take a few times to get
everything lined up just right.

Then, just sit back and watch. It'll blow your mind,
man.

During "Breathe," Dorothy teeters along a fence to
the lyric: "balanced on the biggest wave."

The Wicked Witch, in human form, first appears on
her bike at the same moment a burst of alarm bells
sounds on the album.

During "Time," Dorothy breaks into a trot to the line:
"no one told you when to run."

When Dorothy leaves the fortuneteller to go back to
her farm, the album is playing: "home, home again."

Glinda, the cloyingly saccharine Good Witch of the
North, appears in her bubble just as the band sings:
"Don't give me that do goody goody bull---t."

A few minutes later, the Good Witch confronts the
Wicked Witch as the band sings, "And who knows
which is which" (or is that "witch is witch"?).

The song "Brain Damage" starts about the same time
as the Scarecrow launches into "If I Only Had a
Brain."

But it's not just the weird lyrical coincidences. Songs
end when scenes switch, and even the Munchkins'
dancing is perfectly choreographed to the song "Us
and Them."

The phenomenon is at its most startling during the
tornado scene, when the wordless singing in "The
Great Gig in the Sky" swells and recedes in strikingly
perfect time with the movie.

When Dorothy opens the door into Oz, the movie
switches to rich color and   and that exact moment
the album starts in with the tinkling cash register
sound effects from "Money."

Anyone who has ever nursed a hangover watching
MTV with the sound off and the radio on can tell you
how quick the brain is to turn music into a
soundtrack for pictures. But this is uncanny.

The real fanatics will point out that side one of the
vinyl album is the exact length of the black-and-white
portion of the movie. And then there's that iconic
album cover, with its prism and rainbow echoing the
movie's famous black-and-white-into-color switch
not to mention Judy Garland's classic first song.

The real clincher, though, the moment where even
the most skeptical of cynics has to utter a small
"whoa!," comes at the end of the album, which tails
off with the insistent sound of a beating heart.

What's happening on screen? Yep, you guessed it:
Dorothy's got her ear to the Tin Man's chest,
listening for a heartbeat.

Maybe it's just a string of coincidences. Maybe the
mind is just playing some really cool tricks. Maybe
some people just have waaaay too much time on
their hands.

Or maybe, as Pink Floyd sings to close out the
album, everything under the sun really is in tune.

Original Story Date: 051397
Original Story Section: Music

Monday May 26 12:43 PM EDT

Does Sex Urge Cut Male Life-Span?

NEW YORK (Reuters) -- Live fast, die young? One geneticist believes men
might live longer were it not for their ceaseless search for sex.

According to an article in the current issue of the New Scientist, animal
studies conducted by British scientist David Gems of London's University
College are providing evidence that "males of other species would live
longer than females if it weren't for their energetic sexual activity."

One of the advantages to being a female has been a longer life-span --
government statistics say American women now live to an average of age of
79, compared with the median male life-span of just 72.5.

But Gems says that may not be as our gender-specific biological clocks
intend. Males, in fact, may be programmed to live longer than females --
but their sex urge gets in the way.

Gems arrived at this theory after studying the nematode worm Caenorhabditis
elegans. Gems explains that while most worms are labeled hermaphroditic,
they are "essentially females capable of making a small number of sperm for
self-fertilization." In every worm population, however, there are a few
true males.

When Gems grouped male worms together he found that, as statistically
projected, they died at about 10 days of age. But when the males were left
alone, separated from other males, their life-spans doubled -- to 20 days,
four days longer than the average female life-span.

Gems believe the isolated worm's life-spans increased because they no
longer needed to restlessly move about, compete for mates and defend
worm-territory. "In males, but not in (hermaphrodite females), life-span is
limited by the rate of movement," Gems explained. He believes there is a
'threshold' of activity which, once passed, limits life-span. "Males are
naturally above that threshold, and so their life-spans are shorter."

Of course worms are a far cry from the evolutionary complexity of modern
homo sapiens. But Gems believes his nematode studies are backed up by work
in other species.

He points to the case of male marsupial mice, which normally live just a
few hedonistic weeks; according to Gems, "they spend 5 to 11 hours a day
copulating." However, those life-spans grow considerably longer (and, no
doubt, less exciting) if the rodents lose their sex drive -- castrated
marsupial mice can live for years.

But what about humans? Gems points to a 1969 study of 319 (human) eunuchs,
which revealed their average life-span to be 13.5 years longer than intact
males. And he notes that though women do, on average, live longer than men,
men form the majority of those surviving past 90 years of age. SOURCE: New
Scientist (May 24, 1997, p. 19)

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    re. 525
    
    I know!  We can watch it on my new t.v. with the new speakers! 
    IN fact, let's bbq and watch it!  :-)
    
    I may not have surround sound, but those new BOSE will blast
    ya, and my couch is sectional, so it surrounds the sound!
    
    (methinks me got too little sleep last night ;-> )
    
    						cj *->
    

RE 12.938

>    	I'm truely thankful that I have a close, loving family and that 
>    both my Mom and Dad are still around to spend time with.
    
Yes...be VERY thankful...

B  
;-(

    	Gentle hug my friend. 
    
    	I know its not the same, but you're still an "adopted" daughter in 
    my family...
    
    joyce