Conference vaxcat::ef97

    what has happened to es96 ? has it been castrated ?
    
    ..Kevin..

    
    	you want the cat topic... mr.::KMANNERINGS.

    my wants are complex Denise :-)

    
    	sure, most men's are... 
    
    
    	but only in their own minds, though.

    Harry has been given a nice new PC at work. This replaces the rather
    ancient PC that he has had for the last few years.

    Whilst his old system ran a nice user friendly version of DOS the new
    model comes equipped with a user hostile Windows95. Whoever wrote the
    help files for this monster should be taken out, put against a wall and
    shot. 

    To make it slightly more complicated the cryptic help messages are all
    in Dutch.

    I managed to figure out the way to exit Windows95, but when you boot the
    system it insists on loading the damn thing.

    Question. How do I get it to either load DOS and not load Windows95
    until it gets told to do it, or gives the user a choice?

    Any ideas?

    Jamie.                                            

    Jamie, easy now we'll lead you through the nightmare that is
    WinDoze 95
    
    A Quick and easy method is to press the F8 key when the little
    phrase 'Loading Windows95' appears.
    This will give you a menu.
    
    Download from my web page http://piper1.jgo.dec.com/~dwn/home.html
    
    The Powertoys and install them as the desctructions tell you.
    One of the Toys is TweakUI which lets you easily change the boot up
    method.
    
    Or
    
    Go to dos and do the following:
    
    C:> attrib -h -s -r msdos.sys
    c:> edit msdos.sys
    
    		Change the BootGUI=1 line to BootGUI=0
    
    Anything else?
    
    gerbil$WinNT

    ta.
    
    Jamie.

    
     While we are on the subject of Windze95 how the hell 
    do I get the system to recognise my CD rom drive when I 
    drop down to DOS ?  I have tried lots of things, for the
    moment all fail !
    
    Scoobydoo/.

I think you need to load the device driver & MSCDEX.EXE when you drop into 
DOS.  However, I've not been sufficiently bothered by this to try to do it on
my own machine...

regards,
//alan

    I tried that on Harry's and found some REMed out code in the startup
    files (Eiuther config.sys or autoexec.bat). Remove the REMs and try it.

    Jamie.

    WinDoze comments out the MSCDEX from your autoexec when it installs.
    
    When you exit windows to DOS it should copy the autoexec.dos to
    autoexec.bat and execute it, in this should be the MSCDEX.
    
    If you are booting into dos alone then you have to add the call to the
    MicroShaft CDRom Extensions yourself, as Jamie says easiest way is to
    uncomment them from the Autoexec.bat.
    
    I have created a BAT file to do various things on boot as I need to
    boot into one of 4 different setups depending on the work I'm doing..
    
    Kevin

    Does anybody have the dates for Comic Relief this year??  
    
    Andrea

    Hum...
    
    My Radio Times Calendar has Children in Need on 21st Nov but No Comic
    Relief
    
    You sure we got one this year?

    I think so, they're normally every two years and there wasn't one last
    year , 17th march 1995 was the last one so there should be...
    
    
    Andrea

    Hum,
    	That hits easter very nicely this year, I'd assume then it would
    be later.
    
    Hang on...
    
    Altavista says	March 14th
    
    gerbil$helpful

    Can anyone give me the phone number of Goldfish (the credit card
    company, *not* the aquatic being). Thank You.
    
    Richard

Yep, it's one of those rip-off 0990 numbers:

0990 111444

When you get the card, there's an 0800 number on a removable pad.  That
number goes through to the same people.  I wish I hadn't lost the number.

I plan to do all my business with them through postal mail, with an explanation
that I don't use 0990 numbers.  Hopefully the extra effort and expense they
will go to will really rile them.

regards,
//alan

    ta.

	Why should one not use 0990 numbers?

R.

	Why should one not use 0990 numbers?

0990 numbers are charged at full national rate wherever you call them from.  
That means that even if you are calling a building ten yards down the street
you get charged full national rate.

0990 numbers are exempt from discounts.  So if you pay your #25(?) a year
for premier line, you ain't getting the promised discount on 0990 numbers.

People are not warned how much 0990 calls are going to cost them, unlike premium
rate numbers.

And hwo can anyone take a company's customer service seriously if the company
deliberately goes for a number that will be expensive for the customer to call
rather than 0345 or 0800?

regards,
//alan

    
    Most people know that the collective noun for geese is gaggle,
    and that for cows it's herd.
    Does anyone know what it is for hares ?
    
    I've heard droves, but I'm not sure that's correct.
    
    Judy
    

>    Most people know that the collective noun for geese is gaggle,
>    and that for cows it's herd.
>    Does anyone know what it is for hares ?
    
 	It's a head, as in a head of hares.

R.

What do you call a bunch of rabbits running away from you?


A receeding hare line..Boom Boom

Rgds, Steve.

    How do you find out who sent you a Valentine's card???!!!
    
    Goldy.

    A question for you bods up there in Ayr!
    
    Given that you are the people who built the Jenson AXP is it possible
    someone there has a Adaptec 1742A card spare?
    
    gerbil$getting_desperate

    
    	re.
    	goldy
    
    	open it and read the name inside.

It is customery NOT to write the sender's name
on the card. Thus the only way to find out who
sent the card is either to recognise the hand 
writing, or hope someone else knows who wrote 
and the card and 'spills the beans'.

Simon

    Checking the post-mark is usually a good one.  However an advanced
    sender may travel to another postal district, or get his mate to send
    it from somewhere else.
    
    Another trick that I've found, is that girlies like to send two cards,
    in order to "test" you.  Unfortunatly my ex tried this last year and I
    thought it was from someone else and got myself into a rather delicate
    situation.
    
    Hope some of this helps.
    
    Chris (not send or receiving any this year :-(    )

Re 14.80

Gerbil,

The internal part number for the Adaptec card is 30-40383-01. We have 17 in 
stock. Talk to the buyer Johanne Fyfe (823-3645) to see if she can release 1.

Rgds, Steve.

    Hi Steve,
    	Thanks, we've got around 200 in stock here in Nijmegen,
    unfortunatly digital wants me to cough up $300 for one.
    
    As this machine is sitting at home and cost 75 guilders (25quid) paying
    $300 for a card is a little excessive, I was rather hoping someone had
    bought one privately and no longer needed it.
    
    Thanks anyway for checking,
    
    Hugs
    
    Kevin

Gerbil,

$300 would be about right. We pay $280 + shipping for the part so you are 
being offered the standard cost with no profit to Digital.

Rgds, Steve

    
    Here is an interesting (?) word-processing or DTP question:
    
    I want to publish an article as a small booklet in A5 format, by
    printing the article in 2 columns on A4 paper (landscape, double-sided)
    and folding it in half to get A5.
    
    This means you have to print the pages in a funny order, i.e. the
    first sheet of paper will have the last page on the left hand side and
    the first page on the right hand side, etc, so that when it is folded
    the pages come out in the correct order. The page numbers themselves
    must be correct for the A5 format, not the A4 two-up format.
    
    How can I do this automatically? Are there Word macros available which
    re-order the pages? Or is this a standard function of a DTP package?
    The alternative of course is to cut and paste each 'page' of the
    document, either using Word or manually.
    
    Mike                                                        
    
    (also posted in WINDOWS95, note 2783)
    

It's certainly something supported by the Borg's Publisher 97 package...

regards,
//alan

    I've seen a shareware printer driver, which does this. It sits between
    you real printer driver and the app and "does the right thing". Try
    asking in IBMPC-Shareware.
    
    Rik

    In order to help an famous (infamous!) ex-EFer rejoin our merry band,
    can anyone remember how to connect to a conference through IP? I need
    the destructions.
    
    Cheers, Laurie$amnesiac.

    Easiest way is to use the NetNews Gateway, downloadable (I assume) from
    TECO::SYS$PUBLIC
    
    But anyway do we really want the Whinge back?
    
    gerbil$hugs

    I have a word document that is about 36 pages. Each page has a "Header
    1" and I want to sort the pages alphabetically acorrding to the header.
    
    How do I do it (without using cut & paste!)?
    
    Goldy.

    RE: .92
    
    That assumes access to the Web.
    
    Cheers, Laurie.

Is the Mr Dodds who is speaking at DECUS UK in April our Mr Dodds from here?

regards
//alan

    Dear Mr Potters,
    
    Mr Dodds is not speaking at DECUS.
    
    I am speaking at DECUS, I believe I have the pleasure of warming up the
    audience for you.
    
    I shall regale them with all the fascination of AllConnect and
    Affinity, such that they are in a complete and utter state of frenzied
    anticipation.
    
    Then you can tell them about Spiralog.
    
    Andrew

    Sounds like an event not to be missed.
    
    Goldy.

    Too many words Goldy, too many words.
    
    Andrew

Too many 's'-es, too!  Sorry...

Anyway, I wasn't sure whether it was you or not - gosh, I'll be meeting my
first EF-er!

//atp

    Why does the power fail in DECpark when you're in the middle of a demo
    to a number of important Europeans?
    
    Balders

    And why does it take so long for the heating to return to a nice warm
    temperature. It's absolutely freezing in D1 at the moment.
    
    Goldy.

    Goldy,
    	I'll sway you'r freezing for the Colossus computer room which is
    well above 30C at the moment.
    
    Rik

    Right, time to move my desk to F8... ;-)
    
    Goldy.

    
    Does anyone know the lottery numbers from Wednesday?(12)
    
    Kerry

    lottery.merseyworld.com
    
    is a good place to start!
    
    However just for you
    
    5 14 23 29 38 45 / 47
    
    gerbil$none_winner

    
    	mr::POTTER,
    
    	not only will you be meeting your first EF'er in andrew,
    	but also one of the original POFs that EF has to offer.
    
    	you can thank me later, andrew. 

Gosh - I'm feeling rather privileged!

//atp

  She who must be obeyed has decided this is the year when we finally
  attack the garden and do something with it apart from growing a moss
  lawn. Maybe it's my fault for getting her a cold frame for Christmas.

  So being a sit back and design it fifty times type of guy I was
  wondering if anyone has or knows of a freeware/shareware gardens
  design program.

  Rgds, Steve.


    Does anyone know of any good (cheap) hotels/B&B's in Edinburgh, three
    of us are planning a little cultural drinking in April - no visits to
    the opera though...  I've never been and I'm told it's a grand city. 
    Any pointers??
    
    Andrea

Much as this doesn't sound helpful from a local, try looking at some of the
'Citybreaks' type brochures.  Their prices are normally very hard to beat.

'Course, if it's early April you could always come along and see "Carousel"
in the Church Hill Theatre, and get to see me breaking my back carrying out
very dodgy-looking lifts with rather nice young ladies...

regards,
//alan

PS I'll keep my eyes open for any offers in the local press

    
    Thanks Alan!!
    
    We thought about that..  you can get a train ticket if you book APEX
    for �19 so we are keen to take that up!!  If we can book just
    accommodation then there is no problem but we don't want to get stung
    on travel.  Is there a tourist information centre in Edinburgh??
    
    Andrea

Edinburgh TIC - try 0131 557 1700

Good luck!

//atp

    I think there is now a travelodge/inn in Edinburgh city centre. All of
    you could share the room and pretend to be students.
    
    0800 850 950 or 0800 40 40 40 for forte hotels.
    
    Andrew

    Folks,
    
    This is from our own dear Mr. Winpenny. Take particular note of the
    threat at the bottom:
    
                ----------------------------------------

    I've tried everything I can think of to sort this out but have so far
    failed, not miserably but near enough. So the next step is to pool the
    collective brain cell of EF and hope to get some pointers, which might
    turn out to be a pun.

    Assuming there is a third party 'C' structure as follows.

typedef struct {char[11]  customer_pin_no;
                char[11]  address_id;
                char[26]  customer_surname;
                    .
                    .
                    .
                char[21]  product_part_no;
                char[21]  product_serial_no;
                char[12]  product_purchase_date;
               } registration_data;

    And a function definition in a shareable image is:

int register_details (registration_data  p_reg,
                      char               error_desc[132]);

    And I have to call this from Pascal. I currently have the following
    Pascal bits and pieces.

type
    w_registration_data = record
        customer_pin_no       : packed array [1..10] of char;
        null_a                : char;
        address_id            : packed array [1..10] of char;
        null_b                : char;
        customer_surname      : packed array [1..25] of char;
        null_c                : char;
            .
            .
            .
        product_source_cd     : packed array [1..20] of char;
        null_y                : char;
        product_serial_no     : packed array [1..20] of char;
        null_z                : char;
        product_purchase_date : packed array [1..11] of char;
        null_a1               : char;
    end;

{
    All the null_* business above is to make space for the end of string
    marker used by 'C' and it's easier to take care of it here.
{}

var
    _registration_data : w_registration_data;

begin
{
    Populate _registration_data and stick nulls in where they are expected.
{}

    _status := lib$find_image_symbol (filename     := 'SHAREABLE_IMAGE_NAME',
                                      symbol       := 'register_details',
                                      symbol_value := entry_point);

    arglist[1] := 2;
    arglist[2] := iaddress(_registration_data);
    arglist[3] := iaddress(error_text);

    local_status := lib$callg (%ref arglist, entry_point);

end;

    I get an access violation error on the LIB$CALLG. Now all this works
    when I'm requesting data from other functions in the shareable image
    and they fill a record structure but in this case I'm sending a record
    for the data to be registered elsewhere. So either I've cocked up the
    arglist[2] type, the record definition I've been given does not match
    that in the image and the only person who can tell me that is on
    holiday for two weeks, or I've completely messed up and can't see for
    looking.

    Any help gratefully received, [email protected]

    Chris

    Ps. If nobody replies I'll find a way to join the conference.

    
    	tell him his threat is cheap and tawdry...
    	much like my notes.

    Anyone translate this French for me?
    
    CIEL COUVERT AVEC CHUTE DE NEIGE
    
    
    Cheers,
    
    Greg

    Cloudy sky with snow showers?
    
    Brian

    Can anyone help answer the following question, or point me in the
    direction of a UCX conference (disclaimer- I'm just posting this for a
    friend so don't ask me any more questions about it!):
    
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    We have a HP Laserjet defined to use the UCX LPD service which insists
    on printing out a trailer page - containing job/class/host info - after
    each job. When the printer was defined using UCX$LPRSETUP, the 'flag pages'
    prompt was answered with 'n'.
    The UCX$PRINTCAP.DAT file does not seem to contain anything out of the
    ordinary.
    
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------

I don't have the answer to your question, but try LASSIE::UCX and someone
there might...

regards,
//alan

    Can anyone point me in the direction of a white-paper for internet
    search engines like AltaVista.  I'm particularly interested in the
    crawler, or scooter in AltaVista's case.
    
    I need to find out (with out too much detail) how it works.
    
    Thanks
    
    Chris.
    

    Mr. Winpenny, it appears, has sorted himself out (fnarr!).
    
    Cheers, Laurie.
    
    	------------------

    I remember the days when a single technical question would illicit a
    multitude of suggestions however outrageous or complex. Alas it appears
    that things have changed unless there are are a bunch of replies in the
    conference which I can't access.

    Anyway for those who may be thinking about it or are interested the
    solution to my problem follows.

    Normally the arguments to LIB$CALLG would be a list of unsigned numbers
    passed in an argument list defined as:

var
    arglist : [volatile,static] array [1..3] of unsigned;

    Which would be fine if the function register_details had been defined in
    'C' as:

int register_details (registration_data  p_reg[],
                      char               error_desc[132]);

    However by omitting the square brackets on p_reg the function is
    expecting text and not a pointer value.

    So by redefining arglist as follows text can be passed into the function.

type
   t_arglist = record
       no    : unsigned;
       data  : [volatile,unsafe] packed array [1..size(reg_data)] of char;
       error : unsigned;
    end;

var
    arglist : t_arglist;

begin
    _status := lib$find_image_symbol (filename     := 'SHAREABLE_IMAGE_NAME',
                                      symbol       := 'register_details',
                                      symbol_value := entry_point);

    arglist.no    := 2;
    arglist.data  := _registration_data;
    arglist.error := iaddress(error_text);

    local_status := lib$callg (iaddress(arglist), entry_point);
end;

    Simple really when you know the widdly bit about the square brackets, but
    I'm not a 'C' coder and it took a while to figure out the difference
    between with and without brackets.

    Chris

    Of course Mr. Winpenny could have tried lib$callg/SPECIAL_OVERRIDE,
    which would automatically take all the correct parameters.
    
    At least, I expect that would be the best advice he could get here.
    
    Ad

    
    	you're too good to him, you know that?

    Hello,
    
    Can anyone translate this for me ?
    
    "Ciel Couvert Avec Chute De Neige"
    
    
    Thanks,
    
    Chris

    .116 .117 ???
    
    What game are we playing?
    
    Andrew

    re .124
    
    Try, 
    
    Overcast with outbreaks of snowfall,
    
     I could have been a weather man ,
    
     Scoobydoo

    Brilliant ! Thanks.
    
    Chris

    
    Could some kind soul obtain for a me a list of those folks bearing
    the sirname "Williams" who live in the SE15 area ? I have a precise
    postcode for the person I want, but no other detail. The last digits
    of the postcode are 2ES. Perhaps this would narrow the search ?
    
    Result by mail (as above) preferred. 
    
    Ta everso.
    
    Andy/.
                      

	Where can I get a copy of Peb and Andy's adjunct to Notes (PAN)?

R.

    Re: .128
    
    The address is between 138 and 161, Queens Road.
    

    
     Ian - you star. That'll help.
    
     Could someone be kind enough to get me a listing of Williams
    addresses in that range ? I really don't want to play with Int
    Direct Enq more than I have to.
    
     Ta everso.
    
    A/.

    
     Oh darn. I just found out that my pal (Australian) was living at
    an address with the given postcode and that the Williams in question
    is just NEAR that postcode, not actually in Queen's Road.
    
     Anyone fancy drawing me a little map of the immediate area ? My
    pal can describe the way to get there in terms of "first left, by
    the pub called such-and-such", etc. I need a little maplet to show
    to her, so she can work out the actual street.
    
     Ta.
    
    A/.

    
    does anyone know mr. ::HEDLEY's address??

    Last I heard, it was:
    
    [email protected]
    
    Cheers, Laurie.

    
    	ta muchly 	(in the appropriate, nose in the air manner)
    
    	denise

    Any idea where the NT notes conferences have gone to on decwet?
    
    can't get to the node at all, been like that all week.

    Well someone sould get in :-
    
             <<< DECWET::DOCD$:[NOTES$LIBRARY]WINDOWS-NT.NOTE;1 >>>
                                -< Windows NT >-
================================================================================
Note 5797.0            Compression and record based files.            No replies
PGREEN::SACKMANJ "Pedalo'ing the Internet"           10 lines  13-MAR-1997 00:01
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Question regarding NTFS compression:
    
    A customer of mine, from Oracle, wondered how compression deals with
    records in a database. If a record is changed from 48 bytes to 52 bytes
    as a result of an update, what will NTFS compression do with that
    record?
    Presumably it will either: not work on record based files, or move the
    record to beyond the last record. Any ideas?
    
    		Jon.
    

    When is RKE next going to be in the office ?
    
    I have a few Red Dwarf tapes of his to return and a Babylon 5 season 4
    tape for him.
    
    Rik

    Rik,
    
    He's been working over in DECpark II on a bid. He'll be back in later
    today. Alternatively, bung them over to me in D1.
    
    Goldy.

    
    Where am I supposed to be looking if I want to spot this 
    new comet that's making it's rounds. Apparently it only 
    does this every 3000 years so I thought this would be 
    an opportune moment to observe it, I might be otherwise 
    occupied the next time.

     Any advice, apart from up in the sky, would be helpful,
              
     Scoobydoo 

The comet is in the North West, about 30� above the horizon.
It is best visible about 2000 and 0430. Looks like a mushy
ball wish a mist around and behind it.

Simon

RE:      <<< Note 14.141 by ULYSSE::BUXTON_M "A black belt in Kno Kan Doo" >>>
    
>>    new comet that's making it's rounds. Apparently it only 
    
    ODE.
    
    Cheers, Laurie.
    
    PS. Thanks Simon.

    Why do the best RealAudio sites only work in the afternoon?
    
    Doesn't the US realise that people are awake before them?
    
    gerbil$anyone_got_any_good_sites?

    WTF is everyone? It's bloody quiet in here.
    
    Cheers, Laurie.

    The decided to take their hollydays all at the same time.
    Thats why it's so quiet in here. And not only here, anywhere!
    
    Joachim

    Oh well, at least there're two of us doing our bit to earn money for
    the corporation!
    
    Cheers, Laurie.

    but even if i want,
    i wound get any free days at the moment.
    I have to wait for Holger 
    befor i can think about a few free days.
    
    Joachim

    I'm around.
    
    Very quiet though.
    
    Andrew

I'm here too.  Unfortunately these new machines compile so fast that I don't
have much time for notes when waiting for large builds to complete!

//atp

    I'm still here, or I was when I last checked. There's not much going on
    in here, there's not much I have to say, and very little time to say it
    anyway. RIP EF**.
    
    Goldy.

Jamie anounced he was going on holiday and it goes all quite in here.

Just an observation.


Ian

    Does anyone know how far it is from Reading to Ashby-de-la-Zouch in
    Leicestershire. How many miles? How long (approx) would it take to get
    there to be in Ashby by 3pm on a weekday?
    
    Goldy.

    
    I'm still around but don't have much time to get in here.
    
    Chris

    Thats a good question?
    But i don't know the answer.
    Where are this citys? Nerver heard fom them!
    
    
    Joachim

    I'm 'ere
    
    Spent yesterday being spoken at by Microshaft today trying to catch
    up...
    
    gerbil$still_around

    
    	i'm here.
    	checked in here for the news yesterday and to my
    	horror remembered that jamie's off for 2 weeks...
    	so no news.... i'll have to read the papers in
    	the meanwhile.
    
    	jamie, i miss you.
    
    	andrew,
    	wanna get up to some malfeasance?

    Ashby's on my way home to Nottingham.
    
    I'd take the M4 from DEC Park island to the A34 (just above Newbury),
    hammer up there until you reach the M40, hop on that until you reach
    Juction 12 I think, the M42 turn off.  Finally tootle down the M42
    (A42) until you see the turn off so Ashby.   
    
    Should take you about 2 hours on a good day.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Chris.

    denise,
    
    
    You wicked, wicked temptress.
    
    Andrew

    Re .158
    
    Thanks Chris.
    
    Goldy.

    denise
    
    You could always read Vogon News you know...
    
    
    gerbil$spends_time_every_day_entering_and_does_anyone...Cont.P94

According to Autoroute.Quickest 2hrs and 133miles;


09:00	0.0	DEPART Reading (Berkshire) on the	A4155	� mile	S 	
09:00	0.3	Bear right onto	A4	2 miles	S 	Maidenhead
09:05	2.6	Turn right onto	A329(M)	4 miles	E 	Bracknell
09:09	6.1	At M4 J10 turn off onto	M4	8 miles	E 	M4 J8/9
09:16	14.1	At M4 J8/9 turn off onto	A404(M)	2 miles	NW	M4 J9A^
09:18	16.5	At M4 J9B^ stay on the	A404	8 miles	W 	Marlow
09:25	24.3	At M40 J4 turn off onto	M40	75 miles	W Stokenchurch
10:29	99.1	At M40 J17 turn off onto	M42	28 miles Nec Birmingham
10:53	127	At M42 J11 stay on the	A42	4 miles	N 	Measham
10:58	131	Turn off onto	B5006	1 mile	N 	
11:00	132	ARRIVE Ashby De La Zouch				

Rgds, Steve.


    RE: .161
    
    Gerbil,
    
    Why not stick VNS into EF whilst Jamie isn't here?
    
    Cheers, Laurie.

    
    	what an EXCELLENT idea, laurie...
    	please, gerbil, i'll raise you up on my standard sheet.
    	(up richard gere)
    
    	andrew,
    
    	was that a yes or a no??
    	*wink*

    
     2 hours for 133 miles ? WTF ? That's an average speed of 66 mph!
    
     Don't these sort of programs have to take in to account things like
    legal speed limits or the laws of physics ? Don't they tell you it'll
    take 2 hours at 2am, but 4 hours at 8am ?
    
     Why am I wasting my time writing about this stuff at 22:11 on Good
    Friday ?
    
     <End of transmission, connection lost>

    
    	you're not long for this world, andy hobbs.
    	log off...repent!!!

    What are you doing threatening people again Denise ??
    
    tut tut tut...
    
    ..Kevin..

    
    	would you rather i turn my attention to you, ::MANNERINGS??
    	where's the K gone, then?

    
     Amusing that Denise becomes most threatening around religious
    celebrations.
    
     Happy day-after-Easter weekend folks!
    
    A/.

    I think I've got jet-lag.  After getting up no earlier then 1400hrs all
    weekend, I had to get up at 0630hrs this morning.  A very bad
    experience indeed !
    
    Apparantly the weather was nice this weekend.
    
    Chris

     >>would you rather i turn my attention to you, ::MANNERINGS??
           >> where's the K gone, then?
    
    DENISE, you must know by now I am so narcisstic I just love attention
    from anything.
    
    My K has been exchanged, and as there is only one Mannerings at Digital,
    they don't need the K
    
    Is that all, or can I tell you more ??
    
    ..Kevin..

    
    	please do, ::MANNERINGS, please do.
    
    	andy,
    	it's not the religious holidays, it's cyclical.... now bugger 
    	off.
    
    	i miss jamie.

I need a recommendation for photo processing places.  No, it's not that
sort of photo - let me explain.

I recently got Marie to take a film of pictures at a dance rehearsal. 
Since we were moving (for me!) fairly quickly and the room was quite dark,
we used a Kodak TIMAX black-and-white film.  It was nominally rated at ISO
3200, but the bumf inside said it could be run +/- two stops, so we used it
at 12,500.

Things went well until we took it back to Williamson and Wolfe for
processing.  "Oh no," they said, "we can't get that processed."  On further
questioning, they were willing to send it to Kodak for processing, but
reckoned that Kodak would be very unlikely to honour the two-stop pushing. 
So I'd get very boring pictures!

W&W recommended two photographers who might be willing to process the film.
Yep, at around a tenner for developing and either five or ten pounds _per
print_ to print the thing!

SO, I'm trying to find out whether anyone can recommend a photo
processor that will (a) do black-and-white processing at a sensible price,
and (b) might even cope with the two-stop push of the film.

Any recommendations, anyone?

Thanks,

regards,
//alan

    As a national chain, Jessops seem to do a good job with standard
    printing. They sell all sorts of specialist stuff and claim to do lots
    of specialist stuff.
    
    Other than that I have no local knowledge.
    
    Andrew
    
    

    
    Let one of those chaps do the film processing and get the prints done
    at a normal shop.
    
    Chris
    

I tried phoning Jessops and they can do the D&P for a reasonable price, so
I'll probably go with them.

Jings, when I started taking photos as a child I was only ever bought B&W
film because it was much _cheaper_ than colour - how things change!

Thanks & regards,
//alan

    We have used a mail order company called COLAB and been very pleased
    with the results.  
    
    They do everything from standard D&P to professional work.
    
    Their head office no is 01203 440404.
    
    Judy

I would recommend COLAB as well. I have had various custom enlargements done 
by them and the results have always been excellent.

Rgds, Steve.

Alas, COLAB weren't really interested - 36 exp, 7" x 5", �22.15

Jessop's were charging �11.49.

Thanks for the suggestion anyway,

regards,
//alan

    Hi,
    
    How do I apply for DEC shares ?  I've checked VTX, but can't find the
    location.
    
    Thanks,
    
    Chris
    

VTX IS ?

That's investor services.  Failing that, somewhere off the personnel -- oops,
I mean HR -- pages?

Failing that, try Internal Altavista

http://altavista.pa.dec.com

regards,
//alan

    Found it !
    
    VTX Human Resources, Company Benefits & Supporting Guidelines * Digital
    Share Scheme.
    
    Thanks anyway Alan, I'll check the web page.
    
    Chris.

    where is the node wotvax based ?
    
    ..Kevin..

    I think it's based in Reading now, but it is the ALL-IN-1 cluster for
    northern locations (Warrington, Livingston, Birmingham, and Belfast I
    think).
    
    Goldy.
    
    PS: Kevin, your note was moved to this topic as we do not need a new
    topic for asking an answerable question.
    

    okay, that is fine.     Actually, I am looking for a guy called Ross
    Watson, who may be a contractor. Anyone know him ?
    
    ..Kevin..

    There's a Ross Watson in DECpark, Reading. No extension number is
    listed for him, but you could try calling Reading Switchboard on DTN
    830 3111.
    
    Goldy.

    He may be somewhere, but they can't find him :-(. I need to get to him
    to help an engineer on-site who is working on a problem. What should I
    do next ? He may be a contractor who has left.
    
    ..Kevin..

    No idea. I can't find out any more from the systems I have access to.
    
    Try posting a note in KRAKAR::EURO_CONTRACTOR or ROCKS::UK_DIGITAL.
    
    Goldy.

    Ross Watson, assuming he's the one I know, is indeed a contractor, of
    many years standing, and does a lot of work for DEC. He's a red-hot
    coder, and a fine upstanding chap. No idea where he is these days,
    though. Posting a note in KRAKAR::EURO_CONTRACTOR is a good idea.
    
    Not_very_helpfully, Laurie.

    does the Inland revenue have a hotline where you can tell tales on
    people. I would not normally be in a hurry to do this to anyone, but a
    right ******* has crossed my way and I am sure that the readership of
    this file would be 100% in support.
    
    ..Kevin..

    
    	you're supposed to turn the other cheek, mr ::MANNERINGS.

    Um, I'm trying, if only to help the healing process, it was very
    painful.
    
    but the cheat still needs fixing, before he does it again.
    
    ..Kevin..

    
    	in order to provide you with the support you are practically
    	begging for you will have to provide us with some details
    	in which it will reflect you as the victim you claim to be.
    
    	did he cheat on his taxes????
    	
    
    
    	3 types of action for these:
    	defenestration
    	evisceration
    	emasculation
    	
    
    	and in extreme cases, all 3... not in that order.
    

    
     Yo Kevin.
    
     I can't give you a hotline, but in your position I think I'd phone
    up a tax office and ask. The only number I have is for the Southampton
    Tax Office, so use that. It is 01705 706706.
    
     Have fun now!
    
    A/.

    
    Why would the Inland Revenue be interested in an Irish tax dodger?
    
    Chris

    Winpenny,
    
    the antithesis of your question is wrong. It is a uk res dodging his uk
    taxes by acting the ***** in Eire. 
    
    DENISE, I'm not begging. 
    
    ..Kevin..

    Name names! I think we should be told!
    
    Cheers, Laurie.

    
    	i agree with laurie...
    	we need to know.
    	we OUGHT to know, you can' expect to come in here
    	feed us the few odd tidbits and then bugger off.
    	it's just not done, that's all.

    
    Surely if you suspect someone of working illegally in Eire then your
    first port of call should be the Irish Tax Office. I'm sure they'd be
    more interested.
    
    Chris

    
    	mr::CWINPENNY!
    	you little instigator.

    >Surely if you suspect someone of working illegally in Eire then your
    >first port of call should be the Irish Tax Office. I'm sure they'd be
    >more interested.
    
    It depends in which country the person is being paid/taxed.

    On several occasions I have been working in the USA but being pair and
    taxed from Europe. So any tax that I would be dodging would be of
    interest to the UK tax man. Unless I was dodging sales tax, then the
    locals would take interest. 

    BTW I tink it is no longer Eire, it is I believe The Rebublic of
    Ireland.
    
    Jamie.
            

    You are making assumptions again. Who said he was working in Eire
    (official gaelic name methinks.) There is inheritance tax and CGT
    y'know, and different regulations on them in the two countries.
    
    ..Kevin..
    
    Names cannot be mentioned.

    
    Well (Rod who?) if you don't give us full details we will just have to
    assume. It'd be lot easier in the end.
    
    Chris

    Assume as much as you wish. Mentioning names in such a case as Kevin is
    describing is not permitted in this conference.
    
    Goldy, co-mod.

    
    I'm on about details and circumstances, not names.
    
    Chris

    It is no-one anything to do with Digital.
    
    ..Kevin..

    
    	gawd help him if it's the US...
    	today's tax day...
    	and you know, they've spent millions of $s
    	upgrading their computer systems.
    
    	oooh errr...
    	he'd best be scared... really scared.
    
    
    	<laughs fool head off>

    Any Exchange users there?
    
    I've created a Personal Distribution List in my address book. It
    contains about 100 addressees. I really need a hardcopy of this list. I
    can't find any options to print a distribution list. I can't use copy
    to paste it into a Word document. I even tried creating a mail using
    the distribution list then printing the mail to see if it would display
    the names on the list and it doesn't. I've looked through all the
    relevant help options and there's nothing there about printing a dist
    list.
    
    Does anyone know how I can print my distribution list? The only other
    option I can think of is using "Grabit" but I don't have that on my PC.
    
    Goldy.

Try CHEFS::MS-EXCHANGE

Rgds, Steve.

    I did, and found the answer and it works. Note 259.1.
    
    Cheers,
    Goldy.

    Exchange is a heap of crap.
    
    Laurie.

    Now, now Lozzer, don't beat about the bush, tell us what you really
    think of it. 
    
    Balders

    I would, but it'd be moderated...
    
    Cheers, Laurie.

You could always send you comments to us via exchange...





Then we would never know what they were.


Simon

    A customer has a network of vaxes and they communicate  via vmsmail.
    
    He wants to be able to mail to internet addresses. What does he need?
    
    ..Kevin..

    Assuming you mean he wants to mail external addresses, as opposed to
    using Internat-style addresses to mail his internal network, then he'll
    need an internet gateway machine that can take incoming VAXMail, and send
    it on to the Internet. We in Europe use VBORMC, and I'm sure that the
    system mangler there would be pleased to point you at the right person
    to deal with this. At a minimum, I'd say he'll need a recent version of
    VMS on the gateway and UCX installed.
    
    Cheers, Laurie.

    The boys at Altavista have all sorts of nifty tools to do this.
    
    A look through gyro::internet_tools will help you.
    
    But the basic gist is what Laurie says, you need a machine connected
    via an ISP and some sort of gateway/firewall then ANY simple SMTP
    (Simple Mail Transfer Protocol?) server will work.
    
    Kevin

    
    Is it possibly to read my mail on a POP3 server from my PC here at work
    using Eudora. I'm not using MS-Exchange because to echo others it's a
    pile of crap.
    
    If so, how?
    
    Chris

Install a POP3 server on your trusty VMS node...

//atp

    Exchange 5 (coming to an Exchange Server near you sometime) supports
    POP3, as does VMS (as Alan said.)
    
    Cheers, Laurie.

    
    But what's the format of the POP3 host string?
    
    Chris

    
    What is the boot command for an alpha 255 to do a conversational boot?
    
    I would rtfm, but I haven't got a fm as it is an nt box we are putting
    vms on and I can't find one on the web
    
    I presume it is something like
    
    >>> boot -flags ?,? dka0
    
    but what goes in the ?,? ?
    
    ..Kevin..                             

    b -fl 0,1
    
    I think/hope.
    
    Chris

    
    What's so special about Class 1 fax modems, does anybody have one and
    if so who makes it?
    
    Chris

    I think Class 1 modems are the early ones, and the Class 2 ones are the
    later models.
    
    Cheers, Laurie.

    
    I would have thought that, so why will MS-Exchange only do what we want
    it to with class 1 fax modems?
    
    And why don't class 3 fax modems have backwards compatability?
    
    And where has the MS-Exchange conference gone?
    
    Chris

    The MS-EXCHANGE conference is on CHEFS
    
    Cheers,
    Brian

    There was a problem over lunch whereby some novice user created a new
    conference with the same name. Someone with privs fixed it though and
    the conference is back to normal.
    
    Goldy.

    
    Thanks Goldy, that explains the empty conference for most of the
    morning not just over lunch.
    
    Now that I know that group 3 fax and class 1 fax modem are completely
    different the clouds are clearing. It doesn't help any but at least I
    now understand the blurb on the boxes. Also a proposed class 2 fax
    modem 'standard' currently under development will be totally
    incompatible with class 1. We need class 1 modems and whilst it's easy
    to find a modem which only provides for the class 2 protocol which as
    far as I know hasn't been firmly defined yet it is proving difficult to
    find class 1 fax modems. It's probably a case of that's got a higher
    number on it so it's got to be better and we want to be at the front so
    drop everything else but I've already had enough of that attitude and
    don't want to get into it again and ...... ad infinitum....
    
    Oh, happy birthday Goldy.
    
    Chris

    Most class 2 modems are class 1 compatable.
    
    Cheers, Laurie.

    
    Re: .230
    
 >  Most class 2 modems are class 1 compatable.
                                    ^^^^^^^^^^
    
    ODE... Almost as good as winning a general election.
    
    Most expensive ones are such as US Robotics but your bog standard
    generic ones aren't. Attached is the list of ones Microsoft have tested
    to work with Winfax and NT but I wouldn't buy any of them especially
    USR.
    
    Chris
    

Modems Tested for Microsoft Personal Fax for Windows
    
------------------------------------------------------------------------

AT&T

DataPort Express External 

Boca Research

28.8 Kbps MV.34i Internal
28.8 Kbps V.34 MV.34E External 

Cardinal

MVP 288XF 28.8 Kbps V.34 Fax Modem 

Hayes

Accura External 14400 FAX144 (Model 5105AM)* 
Optima External 288 V.34/V.FC+fax+Voice* 
Accura External 288 V.FC+FAX (Model 5205AM)* 
Optima External 336 V.34/V.FC+fax+Voice 
Accura External 288 V.34 +FAX 

MaxTech

28.8 Data Fax Internal, XM288i 
28.8 Data Fax External, XM288E 

Megahertz

PCMCIA XJ-CC4288 
PCMCIA XJ2288 
P2144 V.32bis Pocket Modem 

Motorola

Premier Internal 33.6 PnP 
Premier External 33.6 Desktop 
ModemSURFR Internal 28.8 PnP 
Lifestyle External 288 
CELLect PCMCIA 14.4 
LifeStyle PCMCIA 14.4 
Premier External 336 

Practical Peripherals

PM288MT II External V.34* 

Supra

Express Internal 336i PnP 
SupraFaxModem 144LC 
SupraExpress External 144 Plus 
SupraFaxModem External V.32bis 
SupraExpress Internal 144I 
SupraSonic 33.6 V+ 

US Robotics

Total Control External rack mount / Quad V.34 Card 
Courier External V.everything 
Sportster External 28800 
Sportster 288-336 Internal 
Sportster 288-336 External 
Sportster Internal 14400 FAX PC 
Sportster External 14400 FAX 
Courier PCMCIA V.Everything 
Courier External Turbo V.32bis Fax 

Zoom

VFX External V.34X 
VFP Internal 14.4i 
VFX External 14.4 
VFP Internal 14.4VH 
VFP Internal 14.4V 

* These devices have been tested for the adaptive answer required for Fax/RAS
  interoperability.

    
    Does anybody have a class 1 fax modem so that they can send a fax to
    mine which claims to be class 1 but MS-Exchange via the class 2 under
    my desk doesn't want to play with it.
    
    Chris
    

I've just received mail from the Electoral Reform commission inviting me to
choose between Mark Margaret Arkwell amd Bruce Muir.  They are standing as
candidates for the "Election of an Employee Representative to the European
Special Negotiating Body".

So, can anyone tell me anything about these folk?

regards,
//alan

    I was going to ask as well.
    
    It looks like an official ballot but I don't remember any internal info
    about it.
    
    Probably sent out via Exchange
    
    Andrew

    I understand there is an election going on, but if the one we had in
    Ireland is anything to go by, there may be some confusion. Here we did
    not know who the candidates were until polling day. It is not clear if
    they are the only candidates.
    
    The European Works Council has asked for all non EC or non Maastrict
    countries to be invited, and it seems that in the uk this has been
    agreed to.  When is polling day ?
    
    ..Kevin..

Turn the form over, there's info on the back.

    hi there .236, I'm in Galway, we didn't get one.
    
   ..Kevin..

Here's what my OCR makes of the manifestos:

Candidates' Election Statements

Please read candidates' details before marking your ballot paper

MARY MARGARET ARKWELL

Department: Stage 1, Assembly

Age: 42

Length of service: 4 years

Positions held in the Company: Operator

Statement

I have agreed to put my name Onward for the position of representative on the
Special Negotiating Body because I have a strong interest in employment
legislation. Being an operator at the grass roots of the company I am
concerned that employees should have a voice that is heard and opinions that
are respected.

Previous experience:- STAGE 1 work analysis group, Trainee shop steward - GMB.
Student staff consultative committee - Southern General Hospital, Glasgow.

BRUCE MUIR


Department: Diagnosis, Customer Support Centre

Age: 41

Length of service: 15 years 9 months

Positions held in the Company: Diagnosis Specialist

Statement

I have worked for Digital for 16 years, always in a customer facing role,
first as a Field Service Engineer and currently as a Systems Specialist in the
Customer Support Centre. I therefore graphically understand the problems being
faced by the people at the sharp end. It saddens me that Digital is no longer
the company I joined, but I remain committed to its recovery. I believe this
will only occur after senior management start to listen to us - we the people
are Digital; we have a right to be heard; our input is valuable - this I will
strive towards.

    but who chose these candidates and what is the body for whom they are
    standing?
    
    Andrew

    They are standing as candidates for the Special Negotiating Body for
    the European Works Council. At the first meeting of the SNB the
    delgates from (Maastrict signed up) EC countries voted to invite those
    European countries excluded, and the company 'agreed' to this. Don't
    ask me how the nominations were done, phone one of the candidates and
    ask them. There is some info on the Irish election in Tallis::celt.
    
    Initially the company wanted to 'appoint' reps, but after a protest by
    some employees of Digital Ireland there was a (rather rushed) election.
    
    At least in the UK there will be a postal ballot, so everyone will
    have the chance to vote.
    
    ..Kevin..

    This was explained in a mail message from Alan Evans, UK HR Director,
    dated 17/4/97. It stated that any employee of more than
    12 months standing could be nominated to stand for the election, but
    since the nominations had to be at the ERS by noon on 25/4/97, there
    wasn't a great deal of time for anybody to canvass nominations. I hope
    we will get more notice of invitations to nominations to the actual
    EWC.

Really?  That mail sure didn't get to me.  

Maybe it's something that fell into the cracks between being in the
UK sub and being in VMS Engineering...

regards,
//alan

    This reliance on e-mail to announce elections really isn't good enough.
    
    It caused all manner of hassle in Ireland as nominations had to be
    reopened, which is in itself very suspect, as it enables candidates to
    'emerge' on a tactical basis when others have declared. It is certainly
    an issue to get sorted before the EWC elections.  However, unless the
    uk signs up to Maastrict or there is voluntary agreement, the uk may
    have to bow out again.
    
    ..Kevin..

    
    Anybody got a pointer to a Base 64 decoder for VMS?
    
    Chris

    Yeah, I have a copy on VAXCAT.
    
    Cheers, Laurie.

    
    Details please.
    
    Chris

    Sorted off-line.
    
    Cheers, Laurie.

    
    Eventually
    
    Thanks
    
    Chris

Does anybody know if a company by the name of Data Logic is still in existance
over there in the UK? They were based in Harrow and Harlow. If they do still
exist, can someone provide the postcode and telephone number of the Harlow
office. I need the information as I took out a personal pension plan when I
worked for them and my pension company believes that I was given wrongful
information at that time.

Thanks,

POL

    There's a company listed in the yellow pages as
    
    	Data Logic
    	St Georges Square
    	New Malden
    	Surrey 
    	KT3 4HH			'phone 0181 715 9696
    
    
    Don't know if it's the same one ?
    
    Judy

    
    Thanks. I gave them a call but was informed by the building
    receptionist that they ceased trading on the 31st of December.
    
    Oh well.
    
    POL

    re Data Logic
    
    Have they really stopped altogether?  I used to work for them for quite
    a few years until I moved here 10 years ago.
    
    
    It's a small world!
    
    Joan

    
    How can I log what goes on in my account from a "set host" without
    using set host/log.
    
    Chris

$ Define sys$output file.name
     "      $error      "

But then you wouldn't see it live so to speak.

Simon

    Anyone have uuencode/decode for windows 95?
    
    Andrew

    Try www.windows95.com, or "send" it to Exchange.
    
    Cheers, Laurie.

    Why am I still in the office working at this time of night???
    
    Goldy.

    I'm still here but only long enough to grab my bag and head off home.
    Hope you all have/had a good weekend.
    
    Goldy.

    Go on then....what were you doing ?  Network Doom ?
    
    
    Chris "Everyone's gone to the beach and I'm here" Sumner

    
    	you don't really want to know, chris.