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Name | Date | Lines |
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| 110.1 | | HYDRA::SCHAFER | Mark Schafer, SPE MRO | Tue May 20 1997 10:45 | 4 |
| according to http://ftp.digital.com/pub/Digital/Alpha/ecu/readme.txt
it's not on the net, the order numbers are provided.
Mark
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| 110.2 | simple to do business with. not. | BBPBV1::WALLACE | john wallace @ bbp. +44 860 675093 | Wed May 21 1997 08:53 | 6 |
| Oh dear. I wonder who was responsible for removing it, or who might be
asked about restoring it... does anybody in Digital "own" the ECU ?
(Other than Micro Computer Software, who wrote it...)
regards
john
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| 110.3 | Aim at head, pull trigger | STAR::JACOBI | Paul A. Jacobi - OpenVMS Development | Wed May 21 1997 19:55 | 12 |
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Digital does not own the ECU. The software license does not permit the
executable to be distributed on the network, although it is possible to
distribute the data file on the network. The executable can only be
distributed on floppy with hologram sticker.
Whoever negotiated this deal with the outside company should be SHOT!
Unfortunantly, the Digital firing squad shot themselves in the foot.
-Paul
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| 110.4 | Executable is invariant (mostly), need new config files... | BBPBV1::WALLACE | john wallace @ bbp. +44 860 675093 | Thu May 22 1997 14:55 | 14 |
| Hi Paul,
Yes I *know* the deal doesn't permit the executable to be distributed
(and the owners of the licence clearly saw us coming and took us for
idiots, which of course history has shown to be the case :-)
But that hasn't stopped updates to the DATA files being posted. Until
now. Where did they go ?
Oh well, another straw to add to the "too difficult to do business
with" pile.
regards
john
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| 110.5 | an ECU can't be that big a deal... | XDELTA::HOFFMAN | Steve, OpenVMS Engineering | Thu May 22 1997 15:44 | 6 |
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It's time to straighten out the ECU distribution licensing, or time
to write our own (unencumbered) ECU. (Offer to pay the current ECU
vendor some fraction of what our own ECU would cost to create, in
exchange for a more liberal distribution agreement...)
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| 110.6 | Kill the ISA/EISA bus, then no more ECU problems! | STAR::jacobi.zko.dec.com::jacobi | Paul A. Jacobi - OpenVMS Systems Group | Thu May 22 1997 16:59 | 9 |
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I think the hope is that ISA and EISA will eventually go away and there
will no need to fix or maintain the ECU. Intel and Microsoft have stated
strongly that the time has finally come to kill off the ISA/EISA bus (PC98
spec).
-Paul
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| 110.7 | yeah, let's upgrade the installed base for free :-) | BBPBV1::WALLACE | john wallace @ bbp. +44 860 675093 | Fri May 23 1997 04:58 | 13 |
| I've (briefly) seen the PC98 spec. From what I recollect, it's largely
for the consumer market.
Meantime our loyal installed base (the "enterprise" market) who still
have EISA kit (e.g. nice profitable stuff like 4100s) continue to be
given more little reasons to look elsewhere for their next purchase. We
don't play in the low-margin consumer-PC game. If we carry on being
difficult to do business with, we may not be in "enterprise" either.
Enough for now?
regards
john
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| 110.8 | Intel already killed EISA, ISA is next | STAR::JACOBI | Paul A. Jacobi - OpenVMS Development | Fri May 23 1997 17:25 | 14 |
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Intel has already decided last year to stop building PCI-EISA bridge
chips, which are used in Alpha systems. This really killed the EISA
market for both PC *and* Servers. ISA will be around a little while
longer, but not much. I don't know of anybody designing new EISA or
ISA cards.
If you already have EISA, then you are unfortunantly stuck with it
as-is. Most new systems have two or more PCI buses to make up for the
loss of EISA slots.
-Paul
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