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Title:Alpha Support Conference
Notice:This is a new Alphanotes, please read note 2.2
Moderator:VAXAXP::BERNARDO
Created:Thu Jan 02 1997
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:128
Total number of notes:617

104.0. "PWS433a DIMM problems" by IB004::JOSELD () Fri May 09 1997 05:12

	
	Hi,

	We have a problem installing 2 PWS433a (Personal Workstation Alpha 
	433 Mhz) with 64 Mb base-installed and 256 Mb mem. add-on each one
	of them. The symptom is that the system only sees the original 
	2x32 Mb Dimm's. The ampliation mem. are 64 Mb SDRAM Dimm's and no
	combination of them works.
	
	Some details about the faulty dimm's:
	
		- 64 Mb SDRAM buffered DIMM: 54-24829-DA (A01)
		- All DIMM's have a label with "ZG9715" reference.
		- DIMM Serial numbers are between AY717A4890 - AY717A4897
		- All the chips are manufactured by SEC.

	Do we have to believe , simply, that all DIMMS are DOA ? 
	Is there an alternate Part Number (64 Mb Dimm's)?

	Thanks in advance.

	Jose Luis Dominguez. MCS Barcelona. Spain

	
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104.1dpw433a is in another conferencePERFOM::HENNINGFri May 09 1997 14:261
    Probably better to ask this in XL_PERSONAL_WORKSTATION
104.2WRKSYS::SOVIEPKO3-2/T25Fri May 09 1997 16:1594
    
    	We've recently discovered a problem with the manufacturing test
    equipment which is responsible for programming the IIC EEPROM on the
    54-24829-DA (64MB Sdimm). Unfortunately some unknown quanity of
    misprogrammed SDIMM's were shipped throughout the supply chain. 
    
    I suspect that you have some of the misprogrammed DIMM's.
    
    If you know enough about the system to get to the SRM prompt,
    It possible to dump the contents of the SEEPROM (requires at least one
    good set of memory to load the SRM image into).
    
    >>> e iic_mem3:0 -n 3F -b |more
    
    replace the 3 in the above example with the dimm slot 0,1,2,3,4,5
    :0 is the begining byte to start the dump (0 in this case)
    3F is the number of bytes to dump (0-63)
    
    Here's the latest version of data which should be programmed into the
    SEEPROM during manufacturing. Miata only makes use of a subset of these
    fields. (0 thru 22). We can make available a script which will
    reprogram the SDIMM's in the field, but this script can cause much
    havoc if improperly used. 
    
    /Dean
    
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
		"5424829_REV6.XLS, 4/23/97"	8Mx72	
		Description  54-24829-xx		comments
DEC	HEX		DA	
0	(0)	Total locations written to    	80	one_twenty_eight
1	(1)	Total bytes of EEprom (256)   	8	two_fifty_six
2	(2)	memory type (SDram)           	4	sdram
3	(3)	Number of ROW Addresses       	0B	eleven
4	(4)	Number of Colums Adresses     	0A	ten 
5	(5)	Number of Banks on the DIMM   	2	2 banks
6	(6)	Module Data Width(1st Byte)   	48	72 bits
7	(7)	Module Data Width(2nd Byte)   	0	
8	(8)	Module interface Levels       	1	LVTTL
9	(9)	SDram Cycle Time              	A0	10nS
10	(A)	SDram Access Time             	80	8.0nS
11	(B)	Module's correction scheme    	2	ECC
12	(C)	Refresh Period                	80	Normal/selfref
13	(D)	Primary SDRAM width           	4	4Mx4 SDRAM
14	(E)	Error checking SDRAM width    	4	4Mx4 SDRAM
15	(F)	Min clk dly random coladdr    	1	1clk
16	(10)	SDram Burst Length Support    	0E	BL=8,4,2
17	(11)	Sdram Device # of Banks       	2	TWO
18	(12)	Sdram Attribute:Cas Latency   	6	THREE,TWO
19	(13)	SDram Attribute:CS Latency    	1	ZERO
20	(14)	SDram Attribute:Wr Latency    	1	ZERO
21	(15)	Sdram Modules Attributes      	1F	buff/rege
22	(16)	Sdram Device Attributes       	6	PALL,PRE
23	(17)	Min Clock Cycle CLx-1         	F0	15nS
24	(18)	MaxAccess/CLK   CLx-1         	90	9nS
25	(19)	Min Clock Cycle CLx-2         	0	not spec'd
26	(1A)	MaxAccess/CLK   CLx-2         	0	not spec'd
27	(1B)	Minimum Row Precharge tRP     	1E	30nS
28	(1C)	Min RowActv/RowActv  tRRD     	18	24nS
29	(1D)	Min RAS/CAS delay    tRCD     	1E	30nS	
30	(1E)	MIN RAS pulse width  tRAS     	3C	60nS	
31	(1F)	Bank Density                  	8	32 Mbyte BANKS	
32-61	(20-3D)	Superset   		      	0	(ZERO UNUSED)
62	(3E)	SPD revision                  	1	rev 1	
63	(3F)	checksum 0-62                 	EC		

		64-- 125 Manufacturing data			

64	(40)	Manufacturer JEDEC ID         	41	bee  B	
65	(41)					35	five  5	
66	(42)	 				30	zero  0	
67	(43)	 				30	zero  0	
68	(44)	 				30	zero  0	
69	(45)	 				30	zero  0	
70	(46)	 				30	zero  0	
71	(47)	 				30	zero  0	
72	(48)	Assembly Plant ID #           	0	not specified
73	(49)	ASCII(7bit)                   	35	five  5
74	(4A)	ASCII(7bit)                   	34	four  4
75	(4B)	ASCII(7bit)                   	32	two   2
76	(4C)	ASCII(7bit)                   	34	four  4
77	(4D)	ASCII(7bit)                   	38	eight 8
78	(4E)	ASCII(7bit)                   	32	two   2
79	(4F)	ASCII(7bit)                   	39	nine  9
80	(50)	ASCII(7bit)                   	44	ABCD
81	(51)	ASCII(7bit)                   	41	aye   A
82-90	(52-5A)	                              	0	
91	(5B)	Assembly Rev    ASCII(7bit)   	41	aye   A
92	(5C)	Assembly Rev    ASCII(7bit)   	31	one   1
93-127	(5D-7F)	Not Used                      	0	

128-255		Sys Integrator Data   		0	
				
    
104.3You have THE ANSWERIB004::JOSELDMon May 12 1997 07:055
    
    	Thanks a lot. Now, we have no doubts about the nature of the
    problem. The new DIMM's have been solicited to Factory...
    
    Jose Luis. MCS  Barcelona Spain.
104.4correction 104.2WRKSYS::SOVIEPKO3-2/T25Thu Jun 05 1997 11:52231
     <<< WRKSYS::SYS_TOOLS:[NOTES$LIBRARY]XL_PERSONAL_WORKSTATION.NOTE;1 >>>
                          -< XL_PERSONAL_WORKSTATION >-
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Note 380.3                     64mb dimms on MIATA                        3 of 3
WRKSYS::SOVIE "PKO3-2/T25"                          223 lines   5-JUN-1997 10:48
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    I deleted 380.1 and have reposted it here (380.3)
    There were 2 typo's in the 54-24829-DA chart. 
     decimal byte # 63 (checksum) changed from EC to ED.
     decimal byte # 64 (manuf JEDEC ID) changed from 41 to 42 (ASCII 'B')
    
    /Dean
    
     <<< WRKSYS::SYS_TOOLS:[NOTES$LIBRARY]XL_PERSONAL_WORKSTATION.NOTE;1 >>>
                          -< XL_PERSONAL_WORKSTATION >-
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Note 380.1                     64mb dimms on MIATA                        1 of 2
WRKSYS::SOVIE "PKO3-2/T25"                          207 lines   4-JUN-1997 09:12
                            -< 64MB SDIMM problem >-
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    I have re-entered the note from ALPHANOTES here with an additional 
    Deposit command shown and another table for the 16/32 Mbyte 54-25084 module
    This is quite dangerous and could cause havoc if not used properly.
    
    There are actually two known problems with the field supply of the
    54-24829-DA (64Mbyte SDIMM). 
    
    The 1st problem is there were 205ea 54-24829-DA built up and shipped
    into the supply chain with unqualified NEC SDRAM's. These NEC sdrams
    fail to power-on init properly and causes MIATA to hang with a blank 
    screen. If you power off the machine and immediately repower up the
    machine they NEC parts typically will power-up init properly and the 
    machine should work flawlessly until the next power-down-up event.
    We've recovered most of the 205 NEC modules but some are still out
    there. 
    
    The 2nd problem is as described below with the SEEPROM misprogrammed
    
    Yesterday, there was a (unsubstanstiated) report of some 16 & 32 Mbyte
    modules with possible SEEPROM mis-programming. We previously thought
    this problem was with the 64Mbyte 54-24829-DA's only. I've notified
    manufacturing test engineering of the latest developments.
    
    /Dean
    
    
             <<< VAXAXP::NOTES$:[NOTES$LIBRARY]ALPHANOTES.NOTE;1 >>>
           -< Alpha Support Conference - Digital Internal Use Only >-
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Note 104.2                    PWS433a DIMM problems                       2 of 3
WRKSYS::SOVIE "PKO3-2/T25"                           94 lines   9-MAY-1997 15:15
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    	We've recently discovered a problem with the manufacturing test
    equipment which is responsible for programming the IIC EEPROM on the
    54-24829-DA (64MB Sdimm). Unfortunately some unknown quanity of
    misprogrammed SDIMM's were shipped throughout the supply chain. 
    
    I suspect that you have some of the misprogrammed DIMM's.
    
    If you know enough about the system to get to the SRM prompt,
    It possible to dump the contents of the SEEPROM (requires at least one
    good set of memory to load the SRM image into).
    
    >>> e iic_mem3:0 -n 3F -b |more
    
    replace the 3 in the above example with the dimm slot 0,1,2,3,4,5
    :0 is the begining byte to start the dump (0 in this case)
    3F is the number of bytes to dump (0-63)
    
    Here's the latest version of data which should be programmed into the
    SEEPROM during manufacturing. Miata only makes use of a subset of these
    fields. (0 thru 22). We can make available a script which will
    reprogram the SDIMM's in the field, but this script can cause much
    havoc if improperly used. 
    
    You can selectively program individual bytes by using the following 
    command: program slot 1, byte 3, with the value 06 

	d iic_mem1:3 06 -b

     1 is the slot to program (0-5)
     3 is the byte to program in hex
    06 is the data 
   

    /Dean

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
		Description 54-25084-xx	16M/32M UNBUFFERED SDIMM		
		"5425084_rev7.xls, 5/16/97"	2Mx72	4Mx72		
DEC	HEX					BA	DA		
0	0	Total locations written to    	80	80	one_twenty_eight
1	1	Total bytes of EEPROM		8	8	two_fifty_six
2	2	Memory Type			4	4	sdram
3	3	Number of ROW Addresses       	0B	0B	eleven
4	4	Number of Columns Addresses     9	9	nine  9
5	5	Number of Banks on the DIMM   	1	2	1 / 2 banks
6	6	Module Data Width (1st Byte)   	48	48	64 / 72  bits
7	7	Module Data Width (2nd Byte)   	0	0		
8	8	Module Interface Levels       	1	1	LVTTL
9	9	SDram Cycle Time              	A0	A0	10 nS
10	A	SDram Access Time             	80	80	8.0 nS
11	B	Module's correction scheme    	2	2	NONE / ECC
12	C	Refresh Period                	80	80	Normal/selfref
13	D	Primary SDRAM width           	8	8	2Mx8 SDRAM
14	E	Error checking SDRAM width    	8	8	2Mx8 SDRAM
15	F	Min clk dly random coladdr    	1	1	1clk
16	10	SDram Burst Length Support    	0E	0E	"BL= 8,4,2"
17	11	Sdram Device # of Banks       	2	2	TWO
18	12	Sdram Attribute: Cas Latency   	6	6	"THREE,TWO"
19	13	SDram Attribute: CS Latency    	1	1	ZERO
20	14	SDram Attribute: Wr Latency    	1	1	ZERO
21	15	Sdram Modules Attributes      	0	0	unbuffered
22	16	Sdram Device Attributes       	6	6	"PALL,PRE"
23	17	Min Clock Cycle CLx-1         	F0	F0	15nS
24	18	MaxAccess/CLK   CLx-1         	95	95	9.5nS
25	19	Min Clock Cycle CLx-2         	0	0	not spec'd
26	1A	MaxAccess/CLK   CLx-2         	0	0	not spec'd
27	1B	Minimum Row Precharge tRP     	1E	1E	30nS
28	1C	Min RowActv/RowActv  tRRD     	18	18	24nS
29	1D	Min RAS/CAS delay    tRCD     	1E	1E	30nS
30	1E	MIN RAS pulse width  tRAS     	3C	3C	60nS
31	1F	Bank Density                  	4	4	16 Mbyte BANKS
32-61	20-3D	Superset   (ZERO UNUSED)      	0	0		
62	3E	SPD revision                  	1	1	rev 1
63	3F	checksum 0-62                 	D5	D6		

		Manufacturing data					
64	40	Manufacturer JEDEC ID         	42	42	bee  B
65	41					35	35	five  5
66	42					30	30	zero  0
67	43					30	30	zero  0
68	44					30	30	zero  0
69	45					30	30	zero  0
70	46					30	30	zero  0
71	47					30	30	zero  0
72	48	Assembly Plant ID #           	0	0	not specified
73	49	ASCII(7bit)                   	35	35	five  5
74	4A	ASCII(7bit)                   	34	34	four  4
75	4B	ASCII(7bit)                   	32	32	two   2
76	4C	ASCII(7bit)                   	35	35	five  5
77	4D	ASCII(7bit)                   	30	30	zero  0
78	4E	ASCII(7bit)                   	38	38	eight  8
79	4F	ASCII(7bit)                   	34	34	four  4
80	50	ASCII(7bit)                   	42	44	B / D
81	51	ASCII(7bit)                   	41	41	aye   A
82-90	52-5A	                              	0	0	
91	5B	Assembly Rev    ASCII(7bit)   	44	44	dee   D
92	5C	Assembly Rev    ASCII(7bit)   	31	31	one   1
93-127	5D-7F	Not Used                      	0	0		
128-255	80-FF	Sys Integrator Data   		0	0		
							
    
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
		"5424829_REV6.XLS, 4/23/97"	8Mx72	
		Description  54-24829-xx		comments
DEC	HEX					DA	
0	(0)	Total locations written to    	80	one_twenty_eight
1	(1)	Total bytes of EEprom (256)   	8	two_fifty_six
2	(2)	memory type (SDram)           	4	sdram
3	(3)	Number of ROW Addresses       	0B	eleven
4	(4)	Number of Colums Adresses     	0A	ten 
5	(5)	Number of Banks on the DIMM   	2	2 banks
6	(6)	Module Data Width(1st Byte)   	48	72 bits
7	(7)	Module Data Width(2nd Byte)   	0	
8	(8)	Module interface Levels       	1	LVTTL
9	(9)	SDram Cycle Time              	A0	10nS
10	(A)	SDram Access Time             	80	8.0nS
11	(B)	Module's correction scheme    	2	ECC
12	(C)	Refresh Period                	80	Normal/selfref
13	(D)	Primary SDRAM width           	4	4Mx4 SDRAM
14	(E)	Error checking SDRAM width    	4	4Mx4 SDRAM
15	(F)	Min clk dly random coladdr    	1	1clk
16	(10)	SDram Burst Length Support    	0E	BL=8,4,2
17	(11)	Sdram Device # of Banks       	2	TWO
18	(12)	Sdram Attribute:Cas Latency   	6	THREE,TWO
19	(13)	SDram Attribute:CS Latency    	1	ZERO
20	(14)	SDram Attribute:Wr Latency    	1	ZERO
21	(15)	Sdram Modules Attributes      	1F	buff/rege
22	(16)	Sdram Device Attributes       	6	PALL,PRE
23	(17)	Min Clock Cycle CLx-1         	F0	15nS
24	(18)	MaxAccess/CLK   CLx-1         	90	9nS
25	(19)	Min Clock Cycle CLx-2         	0	not spec'd
26	(1A)	MaxAccess/CLK   CLx-2         	0	not spec'd
27	(1B)	Minimum Row Precharge tRP     	1E	30nS
28	(1C)	Min RowActv/RowActv  tRRD     	18	24nS
29	(1D)	Min RAS/CAS delay    tRCD     	1E	30nS	
30	(1E)	MIN RAS pulse width  tRAS     	3C	60nS	
31	(1F)	Bank Density                  	8	32 Mbyte BANKS	
32-61	(20-3D)	Superset   		      	0	(ZERO UNUSED)
62	(3E)	SPD revision                  	1	rev 1	
63	(3F)	checksum 0-62                 	ED

		64-- 125 Manufacturing data			

64	(40)	Manufacturer JEDEC ID         	42	bee  B	
65	(41)					35	five  5	
66	(42)	 				30	zero  0	
67	(43)	 				30	zero  0	
68	(44)	 				30	zero  0	
69	(45)	 				30	zero  0	
70	(46)	 				30	zero  0	
71	(47)	 				30	zero  0	
72	(48)	Assembly Plant ID #           	0	not specified
73	(49)	ASCII(7bit)                   	35	five  5
74	(4A)	ASCII(7bit)                   	34	four  4
75	(4B)	ASCII(7bit)                   	32	two   2
76	(4C)	ASCII(7bit)                   	34	four  4
77	(4D)	ASCII(7bit)                   	38	eight 8
78	(4E)	ASCII(7bit)                   	32	two   2
79	(4F)	ASCII(7bit)                   	39	nine  9
80	(50)	ASCII(7bit)                   	44	ABCD
81	(51)	ASCII(7bit)                   	41	aye   A
82-90	(52-5A)	                              	0	
91	(5B)	Assembly Rev    ASCII(7bit)   	41	aye   A
92	(5C)	Assembly Rev    ASCII(7bit)   	31	one   1
93-127	(5D-7F)	Not Used                      	0	

128-255		Sys Integrator Data   		0