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Conference vaxaxp::alphanotes

Title:Alpha Support Conference
Notice:This is a new Alphanotes, please read note 2.2
Moderator:VAXAXP::BERNARDO
Created:Thu Jan 02 1997
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:128
Total number of notes:617

65.0. "OPA1 port on 2100" by PTOSS1::BROWNROS () Thu Mar 20 1997 16:01

    I have a customer with an Alpha 2100.  They are using a graphics head a
    the console.  They currently have a modem attached to the top serial
    port (TTA0) and want to connect a modem to the bottom serial port
    (OPA1) for the purpose of using DSNLink.  Can they do this?  Are there
    any security problems with using a modem on this port (OPA1)?
    
    thanks,
    Ross
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65.1New Modem Chapter For `Raven' DocumentationXDELTA::HOFFMANSteve, OpenVMS EngineeringThu Mar 20 1997 17:2213
   I will assume OpenVMS given the device names...  (This is the generic
   Alpha conference.)

   I'll e-mail you the new "connecting a modem" chapter going into the
   Raven documentation set...

   Yes, there are definitely security considerations when a modem is
   connected to the console: you likely have no security. 

   I'd look at setting up a modem pool -- as documented in the chapter I
   am mailing -- via a DECserver.

65.2DSNlink *owns* the portGIDDAY::GILLINGSa crucible of informative mistakesThu Mar 20 1997 20:2527
    In general there are security issues connecting a modem to the system
    console (OPA0), but this is OPA1, so I don't the OPA0 concerns are
    relevant.
    
      Furthermore, you intend to use the port for DSNlink communications. In
    that case the DSN$SERVER process owns the port permanently. Since it runs
    a proprietory protocol, with (rather weak) crypro authentication, it would
    be unlikely that a casual intruder would be able to establish a connection.
    Even if someone did crack the protocol and the site's authorization key,
    they'd be rather limited in what they can do from the outside. It's pretty
    much restricted to copying files to a single directory (DSN$COPY_DIRECTORY)
    or sending MAIL to a VAXmail address.
    
    There is a quasi-cterm protocol for logging onto the system, but that's
    still protected by normal username/password, and it must be explicitly
    enabled for a specific time window by the customer using the DSN AUTHORIZE
    command.
    
    Note that DSNlink can also use a modem on a DECserver, or X25 or (if
    you're internal) DECnet. I believe there will also be internet access
    some time soon.
    
    Now, while I wouldn't recommend what you're doing for a high security
    site, I'd say it's probably somewhat more secure than an ordinary modem
    attached to a serial port.
    
    						John Gillings, Sydney CSC
65.3AUSS::GARSONDECcharity Program OfficeThu Mar 20 1997 20:386
    re .2
    
    I suppose there might be windows of time during which DSNlink wouldn't
    have the port allocated (e.g. before running, if it falls over) but
    that shouldn't expose the system if OPA1 has no operator console
    functionality.
65.4Operator ports & modems are not a good ideaSTAR::KENNEYFri Mar 21 1997 08:358
    
    	Forgetting security, don't do it.  I cannot remember if the 2100 is
    one of the systems we sort of do modems correctly.  Will try to
    remember to ask the person who did the work for the 2100.  In general
    the OPAx ports on the Alpha systems don't function all well.
    
    
    Forrest
65.5My advice, keep modem on TTA0 portSTAR::jacobi.zko.dec.com::jacobiPaul A. Jacobi - OpenVMS Systems GroupFri Mar 21 1997 15:4811
I suggest reading through MVBLAB::SABLE.NOTE for information on modems and 
the 2100.  In genernal, I think you'll have less problems if you keep the 
modem on the TTA0 port.  Baud rate selection, errors at >9600 baud, and 
modem controls have always been problematic on OPAx ports.  Be sure to use 
a full cable, NOT 6-wire DECconnect cable for modems.



							-Paul

65.6Huh?XDELTA::HOFFMANSteve, OpenVMS EngineeringFri Mar 21 1997 17:185
:Be sure to use  a full cable, NOT 6-wire DECconnect cable for modems.

   MMJ 6-wire should work fine for limited modem control.

65.7Modems and DEC423 should not be used STAR::KENNEYFri Mar 21 1997 22:4314
    
    	MMJ 6 wire will not cut it for modems with VMS.  Use it at your own
    peril, the system may not let you log in.  Then again based on the
    connector it may, but not see the modem drop.  Leaving the line open
    for anyone to pick up the process of the last person using the line if
    they did not log out.
    
    	I have the scars to prove just how stupid an idea it was to put
    MMJ only connectors on many of the VAXstations.  But the then boss Ken 
    won out and we shipped them that way.  Ask Kenny House how many times
    he dealt with pissed off customers over this piece of stupidity.
    
    
    Forrest
65.8fifteen minutes of fame :-)WRKSYS::HOUSEKenny House, Workstations EngineeringSat Mar 22 1997 12:555
    re .7
    
    Didn't you mean "former" customers?
    
    -- Kenny House