[Search for users] [Overall Top Noters] [List of all Conferences] [Download this site]

Conference vaxaxp::vmsnotes

Title:VAX and Alpha VMS
Notice:This is a new VMSnotes, please read note 2.1
Moderator:VAXAXP::BERNARDO
Created:Wed Jan 22 1997
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:703
Total number of notes:3722

663.0. "Support for JAVA applets in VMS?" by DV780::THURY (Making it so...) Fri May 30 1997 12:52

    I have a customer who is in a very heterogenous environment -- several
    VMS systems, thousands of PCs from many different vendors.  In trying
    to come up with procedures to manage these system, they've discovered
    JAVA applets.  They envision they can write some "canned" management
    procedure and load them on all their platforms
    
    This seems feasible for the PCs, but what about the VMS systems?  Is
    there any support for JAVA applets on OpenVMS? Minimum version? Other
    required components?
    
        Thanks for any guidance,
           Denny
T.RTitleUserPersonal
Name
DateLines
663.1GYRO::INTERNET_TOOLSXDELTA::HOFFMANSteve, OpenVMS EngineeringFri May 30 1997 14:4810
   Java support is currently available as part of the Netscape Navigator
   package, licensed with DECwindows.

   There are two parts to Java -- the Java run-time environment, and the
   Java development environment.  The run-time is presently available. 
   As for the development environment plans and schedule, I don't know.

   (The GYRO::INTERNET_TOOLS conference is the spot where this topic gets
   discussed with some regularity.)
663.2EEMELI::MOSEROrienteers do it in the bush...Fri May 30 1997 15:2816
    this is not entirely correct, there are still some pieces missing
    to really say 'the runtime is presently available'.
    
    Runtime as part of the Netscape browser is currently available, but
    the interpreter which you need to be able to successfully run Java
    applets developped on another platform is still not available on
    OpenVMS.
    
    However, the JVM (Java virtual machine) with the JIT compiler etc.
    should go into Beta sometime in summer'97 northern hemisphere, so you
    need to wait another couple of months to get something going.
    
    For any firm dates, please contact Sue Denham (STAR::DENHAM) the PM for
    the Internet Product Suite on OpenVMS.
    
    /cmos
663.3Word from the OpenVMS JDK folksSTAR::KENNEYTue Jun 03 1997 10:2629
    I got this from one of the folks involved with the Java effort for
    OpenVMS.  He asked that I post it as he is on the road and does not
    have reliable access to this conference.
    
    
    
    The only Java that is currently available on the OpenVMS platform is
    the version that is embedded in the latest beta version of the Netscape
    Navigator for OpenVMS Alpha. This is based on Sun's 1.0.2 Java. You can
    download this version of the Navigator from the OpenVMS web site at
    www.openvms.digital.com.

    We are currently porting Java 1.1 to OpenVMS Alpha, but its going to be
    another month or so before you're likely to see betas available. This 
    product will be the complete JDK including compiler, run time, class
    libraries, debugger, applet viewer, etc., and will independent of any
    browser.

    At this point we do not know if we are ever going to be able to get
    Java running on the VAX architecture. Java assumes IEEE floating point
    number format is available in the hardware, and unfortunately the VAX
    architecture does not provide this. We will be doing our best to try
    and find a solution to this problem, but please bear in mind the
    following: (a) if a solution is found it will involve performing
    floating point format translations; this will make the VAX
    implementation even slower than one would expect, and (b) it may turn
    out that it just can't be done without native IEEE floating point
    support from the hardware. 
    
663.4SETIMC::OSTMANhttp://setimc.soo.dec.com/ostman.htmlTue Jun 03 1997 12:039
    
    RE: .3
    
    Isn't Java available on StrongARM, how did they get around the lack of 
    floating point support on that platform? Can you do something similar?
    Or was I just dreaming about Java support on StrongARM?
    
    /Kjell