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Title:VAX and Alpha VMS
Notice:This is a new VMSnotes, please read note 2.1
Moderator:VAXAXP::BERNARDO
Created:Wed Jan 22 1997
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:703
Total number of notes:3722

651.0. "7.1 "upgrade" breaks MAIL REPLY to outside" by ALLOUT::STEWART (Bob Stewart) Tue May 27 1997 11:10

    Since I "upgraded" from 6.2 to 7.1, REPLY to mail from outside is
    broken. The error meesage is of the form
    
    ***********
    
    From:   ALLOUT::NMAIL-DAEMON
    To:     STEWART
    CC:
    Subj:   Report on failed mail
    
    Errors were detected when processing your mail message
     which was entered at 21-MAY-1997 10:22
    
    From: STEWART
    To:   ALLOUT::"US8RMC::""[email protected]"""
    Subj: RE: news
    
    ----------------
    The following error message was returned whilst sending to
     address ALLOUT::US8RMC::[email protected]
    
        %UCX-E-SMTP_BADADDR, Recipient address is illegal. Unparsed string:
    ::
    
    This is a soft error, but the retry period has expired.
    No more attempts to send to this address will be made.
    
    *****************
    
    This is apparently the result of the text of the "From:" field in the
    recieved message having changed to
    
    From:   ALLOUT::US8RMC::"[email protected]"
    
    instead of the 6.2 text
    
    From:   US8RMC::"[email protected]"
    
    (Oddly enough, doing a DIR in MAIL shows the old-style "From:" field.)
    
    *******
    
    So, does anyone know whether this bug is in MAIL, or VMS, or
    DECnet-Plus, or TCP, or what? And more to the point, how do I fix it?
    
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651.1You Likely Have Old(er) or UnECO'd UCX...XDELTA::HOFFMANSteve, OpenVMS EngineeringTue May 27 1997 11:418
   Wrong conference -- use LASSIE::UCX.

   Upgrade your UCX to a recent/current revision with recent/current ECO,
   and set up the external default and alternate gateway, zone, and
   substitute domain information -- this information is all visible via
   UCX> SHO CONF SMTP/FULL.

651.2QUARK::LIONELFree advice is worth every centTue May 27 1997 12:068
No, the real culprit here is NMAIL which isn't properly parsing the reply
addresses.  A while back, when this first started irritating me, I began to
code the mods to NMAIL to fix this but never got very far.  I don't have the
cycles available now.

If you don't use NMAIL, you won't see this problem.

				Steve
651.3butQUAKKS::DWORSACKThu May 29 1997 13:585
    >If you don't use NMAIL, you won't see this problem.
    
    but a LOT of people do !! 
    
    ?
651.4QUARK::LIONELFree advice is worth every centThu May 29 1997 16:165
Yes - but NMAIL is freeware and not part of VMS.  I simply wanted to point out
that the problem is in NMAIL and not in VMS, though a change in VMS 7.1
broke an assumption NMAIL made about quotes in addresses.

					Steve
651.5c'est la vieALLOUT::STEWARTBob StewartTue Jun 03 1997 11:0118
    One's view of things like this tends to be contingent on one's position
    in the value chain.
    
    Taking a customer point of view, VMS 7.1 "upgrade" broke my system. It
    worked before the upgrade, it doesn't work afterward. I don't care
    about which digital stovepipe organization is to blame, I just want my
    system to work better after the "upgrade" than before, which is not
    what has happened so far.
    
    From an engineering point of view, some no-longer-employed engineer
    made a bad guess about an undocumented interface when writing a piece
    of unsupported software. Not our problem, no matter how many customers
    use it every day. I have probably said similar things myself.
    
    Where you stand depends on where you sit.
    
    P.S. The seats labeled "customer" are the ones with the money.
    
651.6QUARK::LIONELFree advice is worth every centTue Jun 03 1997 12:087
Re: .5

Good.  Then take some of that money and use it to pay someone to pull the
NMAIL sources off of the Freeware CD, fix the code, and submit the changes for
the next CD.  Or do it yourself.

					Steve