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193.1 | | ALFSS2::HARGUS_E | | Mon Jun 03 1996 14:22 | 7 |
193.2 | | OREO::BOONE | | Mon Jun 03 1996 15:49 | 12 |
193.3 | On our wishlist. | COOKIE::MRU | | Mon Jun 10 1996 15:34 | 14 |
193.4 | Maybe? | BABAGI::alcor.shr.dec.com::smith | Apps Engineer for RW5xx & TL8xx . | Wed Jun 12 1996 14:06 | 6 |
193.5 | | NABETH::alan | Dr. File System's Home for Wayward Inodes. | Wed Jun 12 1996 17:24 | 11 |
193.6 | | SSDEVO::ROLLOW | Dr. File System's Home for Wayward Inodes. | Wed Feb 12 1997 23:00 | 3 |
| The general topic of having MRU do more media management
is already one or more wishlist items. I'm taking this
one off the list.
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193.7 | a.k.a. remote front panel interface | TAPE::SENEKER | Head banging causes brain mush | Fri Feb 14 1997 09:10 | 9 |
| Do you have any control of the hardware vendor producing the tape
library(s). Why not have a hardware switch or mode select setting
that allows the "robotics" mechanism to force an unload of the tape
drive. The Digital RW series optical jukeboxes contain this feature.
OSMS does not require it, but it does come in handy sometimes when
the SCSI connection to the drive gets trashed and it is not accepting
SCSI commands such as Start/Stop Unit with Eject set and start clear.
Rob
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193.8 | | NABETH::alan | Dr. File System's Home for Wayward Inodes. | Mon Feb 17 1997 13:21 | 8 |
| We can make requests to SEP, who make requirements of the
vendors of new drives to have things behave in particular
ways, but this does nothing for existing libraries. We
could also lobby SCSI-3 to add a "Force" bit it to the
Move Medium command, which would allow vendors to build
drives that allow the feature. I'm not sure why the libraries
behave differently in this case and it really is annoying.
There is probably a reason that *someone* thinks is good.
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193.9 | | DECWET::RWALKER | Roger Walker - Media Changers | Mon Feb 17 1997 15:50 | 9 |
| Why do you have to eject the meida:
Many robotic units have no connection to the data transport. In
some of the device you can put different types of data transports
in the same robot. Remember the video guided ones.
The eject on move would be nice for SCSI-3 but it's probably too late
if it's not in there now. After all, many of the new devices already
claim SCSI-3.
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193.10 | | NABETH::alan | Dr. File System's Home for Wayward Inodes. | Mon Feb 17 1997 18:25 | 21 |
| Eject in the title is the wrong word here, since the original author
didn't understand what was really going on. The underlying problem
is stupid DLT libraries that insist upon not allowing Move Medium
commands to move a tape from drive to wherever, without the drive
first getting a SCSI UNLOAD command (UNIX offline, VMS DISMOUNT/
UNLOAD). It would be nice for MRU to be able to ship down the
UNLOAD in the appropriate operating system specific way, with
the user having to know the name of the tape drive.
Unfortunately, too many stupid DLT libraries, can even offer
the barest clue what the SCSI target to drive association is,
much less make it easy to figure out the drive/host device
association. NSR and other users of mcicap can do this, but
they rely file editing. The VMS storage management products
use tapestart.com. But MRU has long had a requirement not to
need those configuration files to work. So, we're stuck with
the user having to do the mt(1) or DISMOUNT command themselves.
The CLI could offer a parameter to do it, but V1.2 had enough
stuff to go that I didn't even bother mentioning it. And,
that would be a solution for the GUI.
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193.11 | We all learned from experience.. | SUBSYS::TRAN | Straight <Left> Hitter.. | Tue Feb 18 1997 08:32 | 17 |
|
Alan,
The 'stupid DLT libraries' is NOT doing spindown on MOVE MEDIUM
currently due to long history that you are not aware of (when Steve
Boone was a principal on MRD - pre MDMS). I have polling this issue
since we started the program 4 years ago and there was no official
request from SW group then to have a library doing the drive spindown.
And just happen that our DLT library can communicate to the drive we
can make this feature available - AND we are planning to add it in as
you may have seen in my status update. So name calling is uncalled for
in my opinion.
T.
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193.12 | | NABETH::alan | Dr. File System's Home for Wayward Inodes. | Tue Feb 18 1997 13:39 | 15 |
| You're right, not allowing Move Medium while the drive could
be active could have some value. It is just annoying that
the libraries and loaders are inconsistent in the feature.
The feature may also be more desirable by backup software
that wants some assurance that it won't be easy to move a
tape out from under it.
As for some libraries not even providing the barest clue
what host device is associated with what drive, I think
that speaks for itself, given that the SCSI-2 spec allows
offering the barest clue.
I also realize it could be much worse, having to support
bare 3rd party device that have had little or no compliance
testing.
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