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Title:Archive/Backup
Moderator:COOKIE::MHUAIG
Created:Wed Sep 08 1993
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:479
Total number of notes:2283

363.0. "catalog not updated for 2nd thread" by SUOBOS::RUCKH () Thu Jan 16 1997 01:44

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363.1see note 361UTRTSC::KNOLisn't every bug a bit wrongFri Jan 17 1997 01:285
363.2InvestigatingCOOKIE::MHUATue Jan 21 1997 13:418
363.3Successful result from testing hereCOOKIE::MHUATue Jan 21 1997 14:4611
363.4Catalog update problem?SUOBOS::RUCKHWed Jan 22 1997 00:2985
363.5Execute the *.com filesCOOKIE::HEISLERChris Heisler, ABS EngineeringWed Jan 22 1997 08:145
363.6Staging catalog update log fileCOOKIE::MHUAWed Jan 22 1997 10:5912
363.7no errorSUOBOS::RUCKHThu Jan 23 1997 00:1834
363.8no updateSUOBOS::RUCKHThu Jan 23 1997 07:3127
363.9Statistics not collectedCOOKIE::MHUAThu Jan 23 1997 09:018
363.10Catalog entries still missing?COOKIE::MHUAThu Jan 23 1997 12:449
363.11still missing!SUOBOS::RUCKHFri Jan 24 1997 03:038
    Masami,
    
    the entries are still missing after running the update.
    On my other client nodes there are also all entries for the second
    thread missing. On this nodes there are NO *.com files left, only the
    *.stg files. The update is running but no update occurs.
    
      Thomas
363.12try creating a catalog that is NOT a staged catalogCOOKIE::LEWISFri Jan 24 1997 09:1120
Try creating a catalog that does not use staging, then modify the save
request to use the newly created NON staged catalog.  Hopefully this will
give us some errors when the catalog update attempts to take place.
Do small saves if possible so we don't need to write a lot to the catalog,
and we should have smaller log files then also.

I'll be trying some things here to see if I can create or reproduce the
situation.

Do you see any errors in the save log file, (even any warnings or informational
errors?  can you post one of the log files from the save request?)  In note
361.0 there is an error about the agent info being altered.
This may just be because the unix save template had to be modified, but check
and see.  In some testing here last week with RDB saves, we found that the
template file was the problem.

(see chapt 13 for creating new catalogs)

Thanks,
Jim Lewis, ABS engineering
363.13VMS-systemsSUOBOS::RUCKHMon Jan 27 1997 00:367
    Jim,
    
    I can't log in today to the customer system. Please show 336.11 or
    360.3 for the log. BTW, my systems are all VMS-systems with no template
    modified.
    
      Thomas
363.14a couple of more questionsCOOKIE::LEWISMon Jan 27 1997 16:3629
Hi Thomas,
I tried some saves here and everything saves and restores ok.  
I created a save request and saved a file and a directory.  I then restored
the file and a different file from the directory I had saved.  It all worked
fine.

I tried an 
  abs lookup "filename"     and that worked also.  (Note, I did have
the quotes   ^        ^  because I was specifying a unix file.  It did find
both files in the catalog.

HOWEVER,  If I did an
  abs report save_log/full

The number of files it said it saved was incorrect.  One of the save requests
showed no files saved (Number of archived objects: 0), but I COULD successfully
restore those files.
Have you tried an ABS LOOKUP to see if it can find the files you saved?  Or,
just try and restore one of the files.

For now, we know we have a problem with the abs report save_log command not
showing correct numbers for number of archived objects when archiving multiple
objects in a single save request.

What versions of ABS and VMS are you running?

I'll keep trying to reproduce the problem here.
Thanks!
Jim
363.15That's itSUOBOS::RUCKHTue Jan 28 1997 08:1019
    Hi,
    since manualy started one catalog-update there are no new *.stg and
    *.com files left. Great, it seems to work!
    The day after doing the manual update thread #1 does a incremental
    level 2 operation and thread #2 does a full backup. One more day after
    both treads doing an inc. level 3 operation ...
    Also the lookup for thread #2 finds entries in the catalog.
    The REP SAVE/FULL shows 0 objects archived for thread #2.
    
    Now there is only one node left where the lookup doesn't functions
    proper. The lookup only fails for thread #2 and only for files which
    are saved with a full operation.
    I'm waiting two days for the next full operation and then do another
    test.
    
    Thank you 
    
      Thomas
                                                         
363.16Why staging update quits???COOKIE::MHUAWed Jan 29 1997 10:5219
    
    Thomas,
    
    We have locally reproduced your problem by stop/id= on staging catalog
    update process. The catalog entries cannot be found, and the next
    round of backup does the FULL cycle if the staging catalog update did
    not complete prior to the cycle starts.
    
    The question now is why do you have so many uncompleted staging catalog
    update processes????  Did you have system failure or crash of some sort
    in the past??  If everything is operating normal and the staging
    catalog update still does not finish, that's a problem.
    
    We did fix some problem (memory leak fix) in ABS V2.1 for staging
    catalog update.  If it keeps happening, we may want to consider getting
    V2.1 ABS installed.
    
    Masami
    
363.17resource problems?SUOBOS::RUCKHFri Jan 31 1997 05:3187
    Masami,
    now the full backups are succesfully completed, but there are still
    problems with the catalogs.
    
    Node WAK006:
    The last days all seems ok with the catalogs. Now after the full save a
    *.stg and *.com file is left.
    
    WAK006>abs look/obj=vms_files/stor=client_sc WAK006$DKA200:[000000]/dat=today
    Object of type VMS_FILES found
    _WAK006::WAK006$DKA200:[000000]000000.DIR;1     31-JAN-1997 04:26:50.57
    _WAK006::WAK006$DKA200:[000000]100.DIR;1        31-JAN-1997 04:26:50.64
    _WAK006::WAK006$DKA200:[000000]A1MGR.DIR;1      31-JAN-1997 04:26:52.89
    _WAK006::WAK006$DKA200:[000000]ALLIN1.DIR;1     31-JAN-1997 04:27:05.12
    _WAK006::WAK006$DKA200:[000000]AW.DIR;1         31-JAN-1997 04:31:40.58
    _WAK006::WAK006$DKA200:[000000]BACKUP.SYS;1     31-JAN-1997 04:31:52.77
    _WAK006::WAK006$DKA200:[000000]BADBLK.SYS;1     31-JAN-1997 04:31:52.78
    _WAK006::WAK006$DKA200:[000000]BADLOG.SYS;1     31-JAN-1997 04:31:52.79
    _WAK006::WAK006$DKA200:[000000]BD.DIR;1         31-JAN-1997 04:31:52.80
    
    9 objects(s) found in 1 catalog(s).
                        
    $dir wak006$dka200:[000000]
    
    DirectoryWAK006$DKA200:[000000]
    
    000000.DIR;1      100.DIR;1         A1MGR.DIR;1        ALLIN1.DIR;1
    AW.DIR;1          BACKUP.SYS;1      BADBLK.SYS;1       BADLOG.SYS;1
    BD.DIR;1          BFUE.DIR;1        BHOE.DIR;1         BITMAP.SYS;1
    BJN.DIR;1         BWB_MBR.DIR;1     CHB.DIR;1           CL.DIR;1
    CONTIN.SYS;1      CORIMG.SYS;1      DKL.DIR;1         FBE.DIR;1
    FM.DIR;1          GD.DIR;1          GEM_ABLAGEN.DIR;1  HG.DIR;1
    INDEXF.SYS;1      JM.DIR;1          KITS.DIR;1         KPF.DIR;1
    LCI.DIR;1         LP1.DIR;1         MZ.DIR;1           NOTES$LIBRARY.DIR;1
    OA$SHARE.DIR;1    PES_PESTAK.DIR;1  PFR.DIR;1          PKNA.DIR;1
    PUBLIC.DIR;1      SECURITY.SYS;1    SP.DIR;1           STK.DIR;1
    SYSEXE.DIR;1      TEF.DIR;1         UGR.DIR;1          UHD_WEITKAMP.DIR;1
    UMA.DIR;1         VOLSET.SYS;1      WTI_3.DIR;1        WTI_4.DIR;1
    WTI_5.DIR;1       WTI_KRAFF.DIR;1   WTI_UK.DIR;1       ZKR.DIR;1
    
    Total of 52 files.                
    
    After manuel starting the update the result is the same. On days with
    incremental saves everything seems ok, but on days with many objects it
    seems that there is done some update but not all. The update seems to
    be quitting anywhere without any message.
    This is an ALL-IN-1 disk with many files.
    $abs look/obj=vms_files/stor=client_sc WAK006$DKA200:[*...]/dat=today
    shows
    6932 objects(s) found in 1 catalog(s).
    
    
    $dir WAK006$DKA200:<*...>/gran/tot
    shows
    
    Grand total of 421 directories, 23909 files.
    
    In the listing file the last saved file is shown as:
    
    ...
    (VMS_FILES)    [ZKR.A1]ZWNMEVUIS.WPL
    
    
    
    Node WAK005:
    
    On this node the catalog seems to be corrupted or something:
    
    abs look/obj=vms_files/stor=client_sc WAK005$DKA100:[kits]/dat=today
    Unable to show object WAK005$DKA100:[KITS]*.*;* for the following reason
    An Object entry was not found in the catalog
    
    abs look/obj=vms_files/stor=client_sc WAK005$DKA100:[kits]*.txt/dat=tod
    Object of type VMS_FILES found
    _WAK005::WAK005$DKA100:[KITS]LIESMICH.TXT;1      31-JAN-1997 01:09:49.36
    
    1 objects(s) found in 1 catalog(s).
    
    abs look/obj=vms_files/stor=client_sc WAK005$DKA100:[000000]
    Unable to show object WAK005$DKA100:[000000]*.*;* for the following reason
    An Object entry was not found in the catalog
    
    Should I create a new catalog? On this node there are no *.stg and
    *.com files left.
    
    
      Thomas
363.18StatusCOOKIE::MHUAMon Feb 03 1997 15:0920
    
    	I sent a private correspondence to Thomas and recommended to
    upgrade to V2.1 SSB version.  We have fixed the problem in staging
    catalog update (memory leak) and it quits after memory runs out.

    	The staging updates should finish after upgrading to V2.1  (unless
    there are more problems...)

    	About the catalog lookup problem, on WAK005, I think there are some
    syntax problem with ABS lookup.  Lookup is not working as flexible as
    we'd like it to be.  I have not tried all cases reported.  I'll let you 
    know the results.

    	BTW, if anyone sees undesirable behavior from catalog lookup
    (syntax or behavior), please report to ABS engineering.  We'd like
    to enhance (at least I am personally lobbying) the lookup for the
    next version of the product and your input is important to us.

    	Thanks,
    	Masami
363.19yeahSUOBOS::RUCKHTue Feb 04 1997 01:536
    Masami,
    
    I have upgraded to V2.1 and converted the catalogs.
    *** It Works !!!
    
      Thomas