Conference jamin::pathworks32

    >kit contains two licenses as far as I can tell ( a PWLMXXXFP05.00 and
    >PWXXWINAT07.00 )  and if these are loaded onto the server will the V6
    >client still pick one up in place of the original license, and if it
    >does pick up (or be made to pick up) the FP  license will the client
    >components still work.?
    
    Yes.  Just configure the client to obtain the FP license as documented
    in the PATHWORKS Guide to Managing Licenses or the cover letter that
    went out with the licenses (John, that letter *is* going with all
    licenses, right? ;-) and they'll be in business.
    
    >If a customer has PW and excursions currently on a single machine and
    >has upgraded to PW32 he will be shipped two sets of licenses, will he
    >need both licenses loaded on the  client to be correctly licensed to
    >use the PW32 utils and excursion. Or does he have  two machines that he
    >can really use PW32 and excursions on.?
    
    If a customer has one system and receives an upgrade license, he still
    legally only has the right to run the software on that one system.
    We're not giving licenses away for free here.
    
    eXcursion (pls note correct name) is part of PATHWORKS 32.  The WINAT
    license that grants a single system the right to run PATHWORKS 32
    includes the right to run all portions of PATHWORKS 32. 
    
    

Thanks Steve,

Sorry about the spelling of "eXcursion", I was in a hurry.

Greg

Steve,

A follow up to .1, it seems that we are not shipping the fp license
just at the moment, this is planned for rollout at a later date.

This means that the customer can not get new V6 licenses and can 
not buy the fp licenses either at the moment. Is this a good case 
for a TSP ? 

Is this license configuration a valid one ie only fp on a V6 client?

The client has approx 800 clients, does he have to manually modify 
each client to request this license after he gets all of his 
licenses updated?

Does the customer have any other alternatives. He can not go to 95
and NT at the moment. 


Thanks again,

Greg Harkness
Sydney CSC

I'm confused, Greg, but that's not unexpected early on a Monday 
morning when licensing is involved.

>...we are not shipping the fp license...

we Sydney or we DIGITAL?  The FP licenses have been shipping for many 
years now -- it's the same PWLMXXXFP05.00 that's always been 
available.  This would provide access to PATHWORKS file & print 
servers, both legally and technically.

The PWXXWINAT07.00 license provides the legal right to run the 
PATHWORKS client software, including PW32 which includes eXcursion. 
It it not checked by any software at this point in time.

Steve,

I'm the one who is confused, sorry.

I will try and rephrase the question....

If a client only has V6.0 dos/win clients and would like to add an additional
client to his network, what licenses would he currently need to buy? If he has to
buy both the client and designated access licenses (very expensive says the sales
people)...

Thanks again,


Greg Harkness
Sydney CSC

FYI
Some of my problems where when i mixed up the documentation for our existing
customers and the shipping of their designated access licenses with new customers
or customers adding new clients to their networks.

> If a client only has V6.0 dos/win clients and would like to add an additional
> client to his network, what licenses would he currently need to buy? If he has to
> buy both the client and designated access licenses (very expensive says the sales
> people)...

see http://simba.alf.dec.com/desk/archive.htm, Licensing presentation, 
scenario #1

The CCS license they're used to purchasing granted them two rights; 
the right to use PW client software and the right to access any number 
of PWv5 servers. They can use a CCS if they still have one around, or 
use a System License (WINAT07.00) to grant the right to use the PW 
client software and a Designated Access License (FPXXX05.00) to grant 
the right to access the servers.  When purchased together, this is the 
Enterprise Integration License Kit, and when purchased at quantity can 
be cheaper than the CCS' used to be.

re: .5

	"If he has to buy both the client and designated access licenses 
	 (very expensive says the sales people)..."

As Steve, in .6, points out, buying the new license packages *can* be much less
expensive than buying CCS licenses.

It's been my experience here at DIGITAL that folks tend to focus on "quantity=1"
pricing and ignore discounts available for volume purchases.  Unfortunately,
our competitors do a much better job and frequently have sale people comparing
the competitor's 100-unit price to our 1-unit price.  Pretty sad...

Anyhow, things are quite simple now.

	1) If you want some great desktop software at a great price (compare to
	   Reflections, Kea, Rumba, etc.), PATHWORKS 32 may be for you.

	2) If you need a PC LAN server, or just access to your OpenVMS data,
	   and might also like to use the printers available on your OpenVMS
	   system, purchase a PATHWORKS server product.

	Note that both 1) and 2) are perfectly useful without the other...just
	like a Windows NT server can be used without Reflections on the client
	and Reflections on a client can be used without a Windows NT server.

	3) But, if you'd like to purchase BOTH (1) and (2) listed above, we 
	   offer license *packages* at a price that is significantly less than
	   the cost of purchasing the two licenses separately.

In addition, like we said, we also offer volume discounts when you purchage 1),
2), or 3) in volumes of 10, 25, 50, 100, etc.


Sorry for babbling on, but this stuff is really not that difficult and our
prices are certainly not high (...we've checked the competition).

John

    I would like to propose eXcursion on NT for use in an environment that
    will not actually have any PATHWORKS servers installed.
    
    I understand a previous reply to indicate that client applications like
    eXcursion do not check licenses today.  My understanding is also that
    the licenses themselves need to loaded on a PATHWORKS server and are
    supplied to clients over the network.
    
    Will eXcursion continue to work in a server-less environment in the
    future?  Have we committed to that?  eXcursion can even work over a
    dial-up line with NO NETWORK AT ALL on the NT machine... (i.e. NOT RAS
    or PPP)
    
    I presume the license I need is QM-5LKAA-AB and it will just get filed
    in a drawer, and that I just need to order one media kit, QA-5LKAA-H8
    
    I could use a 5-pack, any plans? But maybe I could get them to put
    more seats on the application since they will no longer need to buy an
    X Terminal for the seat and the PC's are already in place.  If I get
    them to spring for a 10-pack, can other branches in the organisation use
    the ones not needed for this application?
    
    
    How does the $249 PW32 license compare to competetive X Window Servers
    for NT (WRQ, etc?)
    
    I also have the head-ache that the IS Manager at this organisation will
    ensure that any DIGITAL rep that proposes a product that contains the
    name PATHWORKS will get fired, but we might be able to deal with that
    upfront.
    
    FJP

Yes, eXcursion will work without ANY OTHER PATHWORKS software.... please
contact John Gorczyca directly (he may post here) about the specific
licenses required.

Jeff

re: .8

As Jeff mentioned, you don't need any other PATHWORKS product to use 
PATHWORKS 32.  Since eXcursion is part of PATHWORKS 32, it's also true for
this component.

Note that PATHWORKS 32 will *allow* you, as a customer, to keep track of your
PATHWORKS 32 licenses via license management software (an easy way to insure
that you are using the product according to terms...), but it does not enforce
licensing nor does it require that you use license management code.

   "I presume the license I need is QM-5LKAA-AB and it will just get filed
    in a drawer, and that I just need to order one media kit, QA-5LKAA-H8"

Yes.  You are licensing PATHWORKS 32, and the license part number for 
PATHWORKS 32 is QM-5LKAA-Ax.
    
    I could use a 5-pack, any plans? But maybe I could get them to put
    more seats on the application since they will no longer need to buy an
    X Terminal for the seat and the PC's are already in place.  If I get
    them to spring for a 10-pack, can other branches in the organisation use
    the ones not needed for this application?

If they buy a 10-pack, any 10 PCs in the company can use any part, or all, of 
the PATHWORKS 32 product (...btw, we have no plans for a 5-pack).
    
    How does the $249 PW32 license compare to competetive X Window Servers
    for NT (WRQ, etc?)

$249 is a very competitive price for unit=1.  Note that when they buy a 10-pack
the price goes down to $175/seat!  In fact, for the price of 7 licenses, you
get 3 "free" at this price.  The product is very aggressively priced so that
price should not be an obstacle to purchase.

	Units	US$/seat
	------	--------
	1	$249.00	
	10	$175.00	
	25	$150.00	
	50	$137.00	
	100	$124.50	
	250	$112.00	
	500	$ 99.60	
	1000	$ 87.15
    
   "I also have the head-ache that the IS Manager at this organisation will
    ensure that any DIGITAL rep that proposes a product that contains the
    name PATHWORKS will get fired, but we might be able to deal with that
    upfront."

The only way that we can help you here is by continuing to respond to customer
feedback and the market to improve our PATHWORKS products.  I would respectfully
submit that PATHWORKS 32 is an example of a very much improved and contemporary
PATHWORKS client product.  Maybe you could suggest a 60-day try-before-he-buys
loan of product.  (My wife, a SUN bigot at heart, went this route and folks at
her place were so impressed with the value (they we *only* interested in the
eXcursion) that they'll probably be a PATHWORKS customer soon.)

John

    The PATHWORKS phobia here is a long standing issue originating in the
    V1 days.  They are NOVEL bigots going to NT with some kicking and
    screaming.  All mail and pc connect have been stripped from the IS
    owned VMS systems.
    
    The eXcursion will go to support a remaining imaging system with old
    VXT's

I do hope the are Novell, not NOVEL bigots... as they won't like the fact
we ship online documentation

;-)

Jeff 

(sorry, couldn't help myself)