Conference 501clb::pcdoom

> OK - someone save me some time and tell me how to setup for DOOM in a
> Win95 DOS box. 

Works for me the easy way:

    Explorer -> find the doom.exe

    Right button drag doom.exe to desktop -> create shortcut.

    Open properties of the doom shortcut, set it to full-screen.

    Double-click doom shortcut.  Frag away!

As for affecting system performance, if you alt-tab out of doom back to the
desktop or any other app., I *think* it pauses the Doom DOS box, since I
didn't notice any affect on other applications when Doom wasn't the "active
window."  I did however notice that other things can affect the doom process
... noticeable pauses during disk accesses, etc.

Still, a very playable setup under Win95!

I have yet to test ifrag (or whatever the multiplayer IP driver is called).

Anyone try IPX-Doom under Win95 yet?


- jeff

    
    Arf! My fault - I've already done that part (shortcut et al).  I
    should've mentioned that what I needed to know is how to set up the
    appropriate file (whatever it is) to get my dos mouse driver loaded (it
    isn't) and what trick needs to be played to get the sound there (for
    some reason, my SB16 is mute when launching DOOM from the desktop).
    
    I've since discovered that - at least for the midi music - I needed to
    chang the mixer settings (I had them too low using the Win95 mixer
    panel). SO I can get music just fine. No sound effects though - yet.
    
    Haven't found how to load a DOS mouse driver though (I don't load one
    usually). I tried using a .bat file as defined in the properties
    screen, or loading it from hand once I'm in a DOS box, but Win95
    bitches "Driver cannot be loaded from within Windows.  Exit Windows and
    try again." Does this mean I *have* to load a mouse driver in my Win95
    autoexec.bat file before the shell is started?
    
    Admittedly I haven't spent much time on this - I figgered I'd look in
    here and find a recipe for it already (no such luck)...
    
    /dave
    

    Is it possible to run DOOM 2 in a dos-box (ie not full screen mode) ?
    
    Heretic runs fine like that but DOOM 2 gets paused.
    
    Jamie.

> Anyone try IPX-Doom under Win95 yet?

    Yep, works just fine. I recently managed to borrow 3 16MB Venturis P75s
  all running Windows 95. I networked them with my LPX466 as a fund raiser at
  the local school. Certainly not a commercial proposition, but a lot of
  fun. Due to some concerns about violence, we spent most of the time running
  DESCENT (no blood so it was OK :-). We'd checked out Doom V1.2, V1.666 and
  Heretic. Naturally, it was necessary to thoroughly check that everything
  worked (took several hours :-) and we also had to make sure that none of the
  machines were damaged afterwards (which took all of the Sunday following the
  demo :-) Of the 3, I must say I think Heretic is the most fun. We snuck in
  a Heretic session during the fundraiser. The kids thought it was a riot,
  spending most of their time searching for "the egg of chickenality" (their
  term) and blowing each other into chickens.

    One thing I could NOT get working was the DM program which comes with
  Heretic. Always fails with "error in execv" or similar error.

    There shouldn't be any need to do anything special about sound or mouse
  drivers - that's the whole point of Windows 95. Indeed, if your AUTOEXEC
  and CONFIG have any mouse or sound stuff in them, TAKE THEM OUT! as they
  will prevent you from using the faster, protected mode drivers.

    One thing you may want to do is disable the screen saver (somewhere in
  the shortcut properties menu). If you're a but fumble fingered, you may
  also want to disable ALT RETURN so you don't accidently iconify your DOOM
  session. You may suffer a slight degradation in performance (see note 124
  for some numbers).
						John Gillings, Sydney CSC

    Hmmm...the statement about removing mouse drivers from the win95
    autoexec.bat doesn't work for me - the only way I *could* get a mouse
    in a DOOMed DOS-box was to add back the MS mouse driver from my old DOS
    directory (which fixed the last of my questions from the beginning of
    this thread).
    
    /dave

    Well, DUH! I finally got off my *ss and figured out why my wee mouse
    wouldn't work in DOOM under Win95 unless I had a real-mode driver
    installed: it had been detected as a "Mouse Systems" mouse, and the 
    driver that Win95 installs for that apparently isn't as functional as
    the Microsoft Serial Mouse drivers are. 
    
    Gee - you don't think that maybe MS is trying to persuade me to buy 
    one of *their* mice, eh?
    
    So I used Control Panel to change to the MS Serial Mouse driver,
    restarted Win95, and voila! My mouse functions everywhere, in
    everything, including DOS boxes...
    
    Of course, as it really *isn't* an MS Mouse (their mouse gives me
    instant muscle cramps in my hand - it's just too friggin BIG!) there's a
    nice yellow ! in Control Panel - Mouse (the only yellow ! on my system)
    complaining that perhaps not everything is hunky-dory. But I can't find
    anything that doesn't work at least as well as it did with the other
    driver, and I can live with Control Panel's grumblings  (it's cheaper 
    than a $50 mouse that gives me a pain in the hand)...
    
    /dave (Not a real-mode driver in sight!)

    Hi,
    
    I've got my DECpc LPX433sx office PC setup running Windows '95 on the
    LAN using IPX & TCP/IP & doom v1.9. I've configured two Apple Macintosh 
    PC's with IPX supplied with Doom2. My group have an enjoyable deatmatch
    most lunchtimes. I fire up Doom on the PC from Win95. 
    
    It would be nice to work out how to setup an icon for Doom on the
    desktop that reboots the PC into Dos mode & starts the IPX network so I
    can play without the windows overhead.
    
    Anybody got any idea how to do this?

  re .7:
    Shouldn't be a problem (though, I don't know if the reboot every time is
  worth the effort!). I'll try and describe how to do this, but please note
  I don't have a PC here in the office, and I've never actually done this.

   create a shortcut - Explorer File->New-> Shortcut, make it for DOOM
   Place the shortcut whereever you like
   Hunt around the archives for a cool "Doom" icon, they're there somewhere
   Select the shortcut and go to "properties"
   Somewhere in there is a "Run in DOS mode" button

  Potential problems - Since you're running "naked" DOS, you probably won't
  get a network. You may need to customise a CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT for
  the application. That's also somewhere in the properties of the shortcut.

  Somewhere in here I posted some numbers which quantified the "windows
  overhead". It's real, but if it makes sufficient difference to warrent
  a reboot each time you enter and exit the application, I'd suggest you
  should get a faster system.

						John Gillings, Sydney CSC

    I can work out how to set the desktop Doom icon shortcut & have set the
    properties to reboot in DOS mode. It works fine. However when I added
    net start in autoexec.bat under the advanced setup & tried a network
    game the ethernet card is initialized successfully when the system boots in
    DOS but says IPX not detected. I also do not have any mouse control when 
    rebooted. If I do a standard reboot in DOS mode the system picks up the
    mouse directory with lmouse.ini file & finds the mouse ok.
    
    Q What do I need to do to add mouse support in DOS mode using the
    shortcut?
    
    Q Anyone know the commands I need to add to autoexec.bat to start the
    IPS protocol?
    
    Thanks
    
    

    re .9
    
    RE mouse
    
    You need the dos mouse driver, either mouse.com or mouse.sys loaded
    from autoexec or config.sys
    
    RE DOS IPX drivers (this is from memory, so it may be wrong!)
    
    Get the driver diskette for the ethernet card, then find the odi
    drivers, and load lsl.com, ipxodi.com and the ODI Ethernet driver.

hi,

I'm trying to run DOOM (shareware) from the Win 95 desktop. It runs, but I 
soon lose sound and sometimes it crashes.

Are there specific settings to use that will keep sound and keep going. I 
don't use the mouse.

I'm using a Hinote Ultra.

regards,

Stuart

    Hmmm.  I DOOM on an 8Mb HiNote Ultra with Win95 with the default
    ESS audio driver and joystick without any problem.  Incidentally,
    the same joystick (Flightstick) doesn't work on my desktop systems
    under Win95 when hung off a PAS16 or Soundblaster.
    Kratz