Conference 501clb::pcdoom

    Preliminary plans :
    
    	Interface to FTP all of FLYTE's archived files.
    		wads
    		lmps
    		sounds
    		editors
    		graphics
    		documentation
    		music
    		themes (starwars & aliens)
    		kits
    		patches
    		others
    	List of other Doom WWW pages & ftp sites
    	Latest news
    	The Doom Challenge
    	Doom Performance figures
    	Multiplayer
    
    There will be 'how to' sections on each of the above, for those little
    questions people always ask :-)
    
    Dan

    
    
    Hows about an idiots user guide !!!!!!
    
    
    Because I know a couple of them.
    
    
    Gary 
    

    No worries. That's included ;-)

    
    
    
    
    
    Here\s a preliminary design :
    
    
    
    
    HOME PAGE
    
        o INTRODUCTION
            o Where is the Digital DOOM WWW page (Reading, UK... DECparkII,
    F/L3 on
    the floor, to be exact!)
            o Who manages it (piccys of us and stuff, really cool ;-) !!)
            o Alternative file locations on the EasyNet (FLYTE)
            o The DOOM Conference (501CLB::DOOM)
    
        o LINKS     - Links to common related FTP and WWW sites
    
        o WADS
            o ARCHIVES
                o 1-F   - FTP files
     o G-O   -  "    "   "   "   "   "   "   "   "   "   "   "/g-o
                o P-Z   -  "    "   "   "   "   "   "   "   "   "   "  
    "/p-z
                p DEATH -  "    "   "   "   "   "   "   "   "   "   "  
    "/death
    
            o WHAT  - What are they (terminology)
            o HOW   - How to use them
            o MAKING- How to make them
    
        o LMPS
            o ARCHIVES
                o LMPS  - FTP files
            o WHAT  - What are they (terminology)
            o HOW   - How to play them
            o MAKING- How to make them
    
        o SOUNDS
            o ARCHIVES
                o SOUNDS- FTP files
            o WHAT  - What are they
           o HOW   - How to use them
            0 MAKING- How to make them
    
        o EDITORS
            o ARCHIVES
                o EDITORS   - FTP files 
            o WHAT          - What are they
            o DESCRIPTIONS  - Description of popular editors
    
        o GRAPHICS
            o ARCHIVES
                o GRAPHICS  - FTP files 
            o WHAT  - What are they
            o HOW   - How to use them
            o MAKING- How to make them
    
        o DOCS
            o ARCHIVES
                o DOCS  - FTP files 
            o The DOOM FAQ
            o The DOOM Design FAQ
            o Doom 2 Secrets
            o Network FAQ
            o Modem FAQ
            o Mini-FAQ
            o Textures
            o Line Types
            o Metrics
            o Tutorial in Editing
            o DOOM Specs
            o DoomHack
    
        o THEMES
            o ALIENS
                o Description
                o FTP files
            o STARWARS
                o Description
                o FTP files 
            o THEME12
                o Description
                o FTP files 
    
        o MISC
            o PATCHES
                o DOOM
                    o Description of patches
                    o FTP files 
                o DOOM2
                    o Description of patches
                    o FTP files 
            o KITS
                o DOOM
                    o FTP files 
                o HERETIC
                    o FTP files 
    <----
    okay not Doom, but I'll be nice :-)
            o OTHER
                o Anything else
                o FTP files 
    
        o DOOM CHALLENGE
            o League Table
            o LMPS
                o Description
                o FTP files 
    
        o PERFORMANCE ISSUES
            o DOOM Performance table
            o DOOM2 Performance table
            o MACHINES
            o Handy Hints
    
    
    
    This is not a definitive what will be there, but it is a guide as to
    what can be put in, and what we are planning to put in.  
    
    Mark
    

    Here's an idea, 
    
    people who use this conference if they want may link their home pages
    to the www pages we're writing.
    
    Maybe the link could go from the performance league.
    
    I'm sure Dan wouldn't mind storing the pages on his server - as long as
    they're not too big.
    
    DISCUSS
    
    
    Mark

    re .4
    
    Err, whats the point of designing a www page, then putting a text
    display of what it's like in the notes conf!!
    
    Give us an URL, and make sure the header says 'Under developement or
    something similiar. Check out the uk_digital page for a nice GIF you
    could use.

    Will this be an internal WWW, ie when I connect to to it will I be doing
    so from the internet where I browse normally using Netscape or will it
    be visible only within the confines of the easynet.
    
    Only asking 'cos I was wondering how you would do a pointer to an ftp site 
    that's out there in the big world of internet land.
    
    
    paul

    I'll try tonight from home and see wot happens then.
    
    paul
    

    I severly doubt you'll get in :-)

    It is running on a machine inside the firewall, so it will not be
    accessible for the big wide internet, but if users have the correct
    proxy servers defined in their WWW browser (e.g. mosaic netscape) then
    you can access external ftp sites.  This is because "our" page will
    just point your browser to the external page then your browser works
    out how to get there.
    
    
    The reason I posted the "design" is so that you could see what we are
    planning and can give us some ideas, rather than point you at a page
    that is severely under construction and being tested as we speak for
    certain things.
    
    The more detailed "under construction" page will appear Monday morning
    (assuming that I can get some time to work on it at the weekend).
    
    Mark

    I echo .-1
    
    It really is just for playing around at the moment.

    BTW, why not browse around and nick some GIF's off over Doom sites, One
    I saw had piccies of all the monsters as bullet points! 

    It's being worked upon,
    what would be really useful would be if you could do that :-)  I can
    supply you with a location to copy them to.
    
    Seriously though- this web page is going to be for the conference so
    any input, ideas, graphics that you want we can do it.  If you don't
    like something we can change it.  For the moment though the pages are
    going to be under construction for at least a week.  I plan to put
    together a non-graphical frame-work over hte weekend, so that things
    are avaiable to see on Monday. 
    
    Mark

    
    >>so that things are avai-l-able to see on Monday.
    
    
    Yes .... BUT HOW DO I GET TO SEE THEM.......
    
    
    

    point your www browser at http://seamus.reo.dec.com/home.html
    
    At the moment it is down, but come monday afternoon we will be open for
    business. :-)
    
    
    It will still be in a construction phase, but will show what we are
    attempting to acheive
    
    Mark

    It's there, it's not finished, but we have a home page at least to work
    from.
    
    the url is http://seamus.reo.dec.com/doom.html
    
    Some of the links may not work, I am still working on them, but in
    essence a new page is born.  Give it about a week and we'll have got a
    pretty much finished set of pages.
    
    I have designed the pages to look a bit better when viewd thru
    Netscape, but they look OK in Mosaic (I have just added some centering
    that Mosaic doens't pick up).
    
    Post comments regarding how it looks and what it contains either here
    or mail me at [email protected] (comics::brownm)
    
    Mark

    
    Look's good !!!!!
    
    George.

    The Digital logo looks awful, is it an official one?

    No, I knocked it up at home when I wrote the pages.  I'll grab an
    official one asap.
    
    Mark

    Ok the Digital logo is fixed and looks a lot better :-).
    
    Things are starting to look better, we have links to wad files now.
    
    Mark

    What can I use to browse this from the inside (ie within Dig, not via
    the internet at home).
    
    paul

    Mosaic?
    Netscape?

    For pointers to browsers and information look in the
    LJSRV2::INTERNET_TOOLS conference.
    
    Mark

    I already use Netscape alot at home, but...
    
    It uses Winsock, my Winsock is the Trumpet one by Peter Tattam. It is
    used to Dialing into an internet service provider (Demon in my case).
    
    Netscape does not link directly to your WWW page directly. Whats in
    between? Do you have winsock talking over DECNET ? How do I get
    Netscape on my pathworked PC to connect to your WWW????
    
    paul

    Are you talking about your PC at home?

    If you have a pc at work is it connected to the Digital Network?
    
    If so what do you use as your network software?
    
    To access the WWW from Digital you need 2 things, a network connection
    to the Digital network, and TCP/IP running on your PC.
    
    If you meet these requirements, you just need either mosaic or netscape
    installed on your pc with a proxy server setup - you can find a proxy
    server by looking in internet_tools conference, the full pointer to
    this conf is a few notes back.
    
    If you do not meet these requirements let me known what you do have (ie
    either tcp/ip or a network connection) and I'll try and go thru what
    you need to do.

    If you have PATHWORKS v4 DECnet on your PC, add trumpet
    If you have PATHWORKS v5 just add TCP/IP

    The problem with just adding trumpet is that it needs to be configured
    with a Digital TCP/IP address, sticking any old address will fail
    abysmally.  So if you havem't already got a TCP/IP address you will
    need to get one form your local Computer people.

    As a small aside, our WWW page links to this conference, and suggests
    me as a moderator. I think this should really point to Greg or
    somebody, since I was only added moderator so I can put the performance
    league figures into write-locked topics.... anyway whatever, I just
    thought this should point to someone else...
    
    Dan
    
    P.S. Document writing is coming along, don't worry :-)

    re Dan as a moderator
    
    This is a feature of notes, it displays the last person to do a set
    mod, hence it now shows me :^O
    
    re TCP/IP address, your going to need a Digital TCP/IP address
    whichever way you decide to hook up!
    
    Greg

    BTW Is there any way to turn .lmp'\s into MPEG's or QuickTime movies,
    so people can view 'em without having Doom :^)

    re .-28
    According to the Windows Setup dialog box I'm running DEC PATHWORKS
    V4.1 or higher. In the control panel it shows that i'm running a DECnet
    Driver V4.1.8 so i guess I'm not running tcp/ip.
    
    So, it looks like i just need to add Trumpet. Then Netscape.
    
    Dan, I'm running Netscape and Trumpet (for winsock) at home, it's a
    great combination - it's amazing just how far 'round the world you can
    get when browseing.
    
    paul

    re .31
    
    I've a tcp/ip address on the way - but's for ACB use. Can it be used
    internally too ?
    
    paul

    If ACb is an external Internet providor, then no, you need a Digital
    TCP/IP address, you should be able to contact your local network
    administrators and apply for one, then it's just a case of setting up
    either Trumpet with your Digital TCP/IP address and away you go. 
    Alternatively you could upgrade to PATHWORKS 5 (either 5.0a or 5.1) and
    that includes a TCP/IP stack that you can install.
    
    Either way you will need to know things like gateways, name servers and
    for Netscape proxy servers.  You can get gateway and name server info
    from your local network support people and proxy servers I can copy
    from internet_tools
    
    Mark

    re .34
    
    Better check with your TCP/IP adminstrator

    re .33
    
    ACB is not an internet service provider, it's Digitals ACB (Automatic
    Call Back) used for dialing in from home.
    
    I'll chuck Trumpet on the PC here at work and see if I can get that
    working. If not - bugger it - it's not worth the hassle. I'll stick to
    the notes conf and flyte::
    
    paul
    

    Not really knowing anything about acb I wouldn't guarantee this, but I
    would have thought that the ip address you use will be ok to use on
    your PC at work.  All you need to do is run trumpet without using a
    dialing script and that will load a tcp/ip stack onto your PC and away
    you should go.
    
    Mark

    Well The PCDOOM WWW pages are much better now,  all the links link to
    something, other than just under construction, many link to actual
    files you can copy using your browser.  There are also links to
    external doom servers, and a link to a hypertext version of the DOOM
    FAQ.
    
    The site will not change much in the next few days, but over the next
    week things will be tidied up and beautified, so once that has been
    done we will have a very nice set of pages to complement this notes
    conference.
    
    I hope you like what Dan and I have done, and are as surprised as I am
    that it took such a short time to do, when the original suggestion from
    Dan was only put in on Friday :-)
    
    Mark$whocannowspeakinthtmlaswellashecaninenglish:-)

    re .39
    
    Looks pretty good, why not advertise it in the cool links spot of
    internet_tools

    It's advertised :-)
    
    Mark

    I had a look-see at this lot yesterday evening; very nice. Well done
    lads. A few things need prettying up a little, and there're a few
    spelling mistakes! Nice job though; well done. It certainly provides a
    very nice interface to the archives.
    
    Cheers, Laurie.

    That's what i envisage the main use for it. With FLYTE, before you
    download something (ok, copy it) you need to grab or type the text file
    and sift through it. With this, just click on the .TXT file and there
    it is.... now you can see what it is before you download it :-) !
    
    Much better....

    Is FTP quicker in any way than, say, FTSV ?

    Laurie, 
    
    any chance of e-mailing some of the spelling mistakes to me or
    Dan, it would make it easier than us sifting thru stuff that we wrote
    and probably missing the mistakes again and again :-)
    
    Mark

    Mark,
    
    Dan wouldn't know a spelling mistake if he fell over it!
    
    Sure, I'll take another browse after work today.
    
    Cheers, Laurie.

    I rezent that.
    
    Cheers,
    Dan

    How do you know I would though, considering I did most of the writing
    (at 2am Friday night as well :-))
    
    Mark

    Classy surname.
    
    Helpfully, Laurie.

    Glad you like it :-)
    
    Mark

    Oh gawd....!

    A small warning, if you are trying to grab files from the www pages,
    and the files are either .wad or .lmp (basically anything that isn't a
    standard .zip or .exe, the browser will load it as an html/text file.
    
    This is going to be fixed asap (probably tomorrow now).
    
    MArk

    Slight addendum, some browsers may be ok, but netscape for osf doesn't
    seem to like files .lmp and .wad :-(
    
    Mark

    Mark,
    
    How about adding some access info, like:
    
    This page has been accessed x times, with y access' yesterday.

    Talk to Dan as well, but it's something for the future.  I haven't got
    time to get my head around the unix scripting to do it, perhaps Dan has
    the time?
    
    Mark

    Well, finally got in and it looks good - not quite what I expected but
    the layout all looks clean and neat. Couldn't get the links to other
    Doom locations to work but I think that was my fault for not having set
    up a proxy in Netscape.
    
    I was able to access it in the end using Netscape on the PC at home
    connected via Winsock using PPP over a modem to Digital. Speed is pretty 
    good too.
     
    I wrote a similar reply to this using the notes interface in it (clever
    stuff by the way) but when I came into work this morning it doesn't
    appear to have have made it into the conference so i'm writing this one
    using the traditional method at work.
    
    
    paul

    My head is a bit dazy today, so excuse me if I don't do any work on the
    WWW site... %-S !!!
    
    Cheers,
    Dan

    re .54
    
    Could be a bit incriminating don't you think :-)
    
    paul

    
    
    Haven't seen the idiots guide that was promised !. What kit do I need
    to access this stuff ?.

    re .59
    
    read the internet_tools confernence, pointer somewhere in this thread.
    
    you basically need a graphics terminal (PC, X terminal, workstation)
    and a TCP/IP address

    for all of the internet disadvantaged I have created an account
    (accessable via telnet or lat only I am afraid, our networks have been
    seperated from passing DECnet between our lans and the outside world).
    
    the server is greebo.uvo.dec.com so telnet greebo.uvo or set host/lat
    greebo.
    
    Username:lynx
    
    
    For the time being I will ask you to e-mail me for the password, and
    please don't go around telling everyone the password.
    
    To apply for the password e-mail comics::brownm with subject of LYNX
    
    e-mails to any other account will not be replied to.
    
    Once you login you will be taken straight into LYNX a terminal based
    WWW reader. It will not show graphics, but does everything else.
    
    Mark

    Could NRMACC::TURRELL please e-mail me again from a different node, or
    reply here with a correct e-mail address.
    
    Whoever you are, sent me a message asking for the password of the lynx
    account, I cannot sned mail back to you because I keep on getting an
    error message : %MAIL-E-LOGLINK, error creating network link to node
    NRMACC
    -SYSTEM-F-INVLOGIN, login information invalid at remote node
    
    Thanks.
    
    Mark

    Are the DOOM ][ maps available through your home page?
    
    jerry
    

    Not at the moment, no. I'll look into making them available for you.
    
    Cheers,
    Dan

    BTW Id are on :
    
    www.idsoftware.com.
    
    

    
    Whatever happened to http://seamus.reo.dec.com
    ???????
    		Tony