Conference 501clb::pcdoom

    I've heard tonnes of natter about this in the 'net newsgroups. Every
    time someone mentions it in rec.games.blah.blah.doom.blah.... they get
    flamed because it's "not Doom is it?"... oh well. There's the 'net for
    you.
    
    Maybe this note should be modded out for not being about Doom - in true
    'net style ;-))
    
    No, but seriously, I haven't seen it around....
    
    Dan

    
    Ok--I give up. What's a `natter'?
    

    If you say 'natter' with an english cockney accent...it means he is a
    bit of a head-case, eg
    
    "That geezer smashin windas is a natter"
    
    ;-)

    :-) Aarf!
    
    Or it could mean (for the benefit of .-2) 'chit chat', 'talk',
    'banter'.

    Thanks!
    

    Now, in return, you Americans can tell us Brits what the hell a Weener
    is.
    
    sorry, I know it's not Doom related, it just bugs me.  I'll return to
    hibernation now.

    Duuuuhhhhh! Even I know that....
    
    I think
    
    Errmmm
    
    Isn't it a small sausage?

    Seeing as this has become the silly questions topic, how do you do
    that?...
    
    reveal one line of text at a time that is.  's cool... I wanna do it.
    
    	Nick  [:',

    
    insert a control-L (his ctrl-L or try ctrl-V,ctrl-L) depending on the
    editor
    
    

    Ah the old form feed command.
    
    
    Tanx!
    
    
    Peekaboo
    
    
    This could really piss someone off
    
    
    Better quit now
    
    
    Cheers
    
    
    Nick  ?;^}

    re: -afew
    
    you mean a weiner don't you Matt/Dan?

    I guess so.

    
    Weiner? - see .10   :^)
    
    Just because I've had a bad day... Folks reading this conf. with the
    Windows Conferencing client don't handle FFs (^L) like the VT client
    does. It doesn't do a FormFeed it just gives you a small rectangle on
    the screen and shows you the text - it does not 'secure' spoilers et
    al. It is good practice to use blank lines to hide spoilers etc. rather
    than FFs.
    
    Jason$self_appointed_arbiter_of_the_useless
    
    
    
    	Who's really ranked that they took my notebook away and put it in a
    closet. Where _nobody_ is using it.
    
    
    
    	|^(
    
    

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Subject: Heretic Beta is OUT!!  fsp only from ftp.idsoftware.com
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HERETIC BETA!!!!
Released: Dec. 20 1994

Here is the 3-level only beta release of HERETIC shareware.  The entire
shareware version should be available Friday, Dec. 23 1994.  If you find
ANY BUGS with this 3-level beta, please email your bug report to:

[email protected]

This email account will be removed on Friday, so get your bugs in as
soon as you can!  Just unzip this file to your hard drive, then type
'install' and you're set.

Make sure you try the other utilities associated with HERETIC:
SETUP, DM, IPXSETUP and SERSETUP.

Thank you for your participation in this bug hunt. :D

John Romero
id Software, inc.

    A side issue...to download this from idsoftware you have to use "fsp". 
    I'll show my ignorance and ask what this is and how I set it up on an
    OSF/1 system to download directly from idsoftware.
    
    John

    ditto
    
    How do I get this, then?!

    
    how about posting a location?  i have fsp for windows, but it crashes
    my whole system for some reason....
    

    
    
    to answer my own question...
    
    its available at (if you can get on)
    
    wuarchive.wustl.edu/pub/MSDOS_UPLOADS/games/ht_beta.zip
    

    FSP is an alternative to FTP, it works on a different concept, more
    like nfs mount than actually connecting to an ftp server.  (this is
    vague recollection when I read some release notes about 6 mths ago)
    
    Mark

    I've pulled this over and given it to Dan for the FLYTE archives. There
    seems to be a lot of stuff there!
    
    Cheers, Laurie.

    
    well, its been 30 minutes since i grabbed heretic, and I can walk
    around the floor now and find at least 4 people playing this thing... 
    What an anti-productivity tool!!!  :')  (hey, it's lunchtime :') :'))
    

    FLYTE::USER1:[ARCHIVE.DOOM.MISC]HT_BETA.ZIP;1	4792 blocks

Looks like Doom, plays like doom, smells like doom, it must be doom3!
First 30 minutes playing time and it's pretty good. Love the bloke
that heaves axes at you. I didn't find a use for the look up/down facility
and the flying facility doesn't work. Mabye I need to find some object before
I can fly.

Stuart

    
    flying works just fine with the right object :').
    
    i played this on the network last night.  funny watching an opponent
    'fly'.  also very cool, if a monster dies over the water, it falls in
    and 'sploosh!'  Same problem as doom though where you cant see what
    weapon your opponent is holding (no surprise though).  Can't wait for
    th whole thing!
    

    Better/funnier sound effects
    
    Looks 
          to me like what Doom ][ should have been :^)

    Still no takers on the "FSP" issue?? Does anyone have a copy for OSF/1? 
    Can we get thru the "firewall" using fsp?
    
    John

    Ouch!  that .ZIP file is 2.4 MB
    
    How do you get that onto floppies to take home?
    Can this thing be partioned somehow into two pieces >1.2MB?
    
    	Dave.

    Nevermind!
    
    If you burst it you will see one 1.4MB file and the rest of the stuff.
    just copy the pieces onto another diskette.
    
    	Dave.

    
    for osf/1?!?!?!?  this is a partial beta of a game under development! 
    not even close to osf/1 yet.  you dont need to worry about fsp because
    an internal address had been posted to copy it from.
    
    man, love the morph egg.... *bawk* *bawk*
    
    i think the character has less personality than the guy in doom tho...
    

    
    which reminds me...  a coworker looked horrible the other day and was
    not feeling well at all.  im talking with him as another coworker walks
    by and says in passing 'Jim!  man, you look about 19% doom!'
    

    To split a large ZIP file across multiple floppies is easy provided one
    has PKZIP V204g
    
    c:\>pkzip -&e0 a:name.zip c:\dir\oldzip.zip
           ^^^
           | |
           | \----- e0 means "Don't bother trying to compress this"
           | \----- eX means "Compress this to the max"
           \-------  & means "Split this across multiple floppies"
    
    To unzip, place the *last* floppy in the set into the floppy drive, and
    type:
    
    C:\dir>pkunzip a:name
    
    and follow the on-screen instructions.
    
    Cheers, Laurie.

    re FSP
    
    Look in sofbas::internet_tools, I asked the question. FSP isn't allowed
    thro' our firewall.
    
    Greg

    On two different PC's (a networked DECpc XL 566 and a SCSI drive'd 486
    66 DX2) I discovered this problem.
    
    If you play the game then quit and then try to restart the game again
    an error message informs you that the WAD file is corrupt. It took two
    or three installs before I discovered that rebooting cured the problem,
    i.e. there is nothing wrong with the WAD file.
    
    Not a gripe, this is a Beta after all, just trying to save some other
    poor sod the time.  ;^)
    
    Is it my imagination or are the graphics smoother than DOOM & DOOM2 ?
    The sounds are excellent!
    
    	Nick.
    
    

    
    oh yeah!  and the water has a current that carries you along!
    

     .33:
    
>    If you play the game then quit and then try to restart the game again
>    an error message informs you that the WAD file is corrupt. It took two
    
    From my experiments, (several reinstalls, much WTF? Where's the OpenVMS
    version? - this wouldn't happen on a *proper* operating system!), I 
    believe the "Corrupt WAD file" message is actually a � test "suicide
    clause". I can reliably get HERETIC to work, without rebooting provided
    the DOS date is prior to about 1800 23rd December. Any date after that 
    fails, even immediately after a reboot. 
      I had assumed that this was intended to make people get the released
    version (indeed, that's why I'm in here now, looking for it!). I haven't
    checked the date limits within which � HERETIC works, but I'd bet it won't
    work with the date set prior to its build date. 
      My son likes this game more than DOOM, he says the monsters are more
    tenacious. I tend to agree, after the flying demons, Imps are more like
    WImps. I also like the ability to save goodies and use them when you
    want them. My only criticism is that the � test is a bit too easy,
    though perhaps UV mode hasn't been implemented? Nightmare done's seem
    to be either. Roll on the shareware version!
    
    						John Gillings, Sydney CSC

    
    yep, thats the case, it was timebombed.  i've had people over all
    weekend playing 4 person shareware release (its on wuarchive.wustl.edu)
    it's got some network bugs (from time to time we'll start getting
    knocked off the network one by one...  I wish you could join a game in
    progress via network.  it stinks that everybody has to quit to get the
    guy that dropped back in).
    
    now, the decision... do we use this conference for heretic also, or
    create a seperate one (or use games)?  this thing is going to be as big
    as doom.  in fact, most people have liked it better so far.  The
    chicken is absolutely GREAT in network mode.
    

    ARRRGHHH! I had the same error, and deleted all the files in
    frustration! Corrupt WAD file indeed!
    
    Is the new version out on the ftp site yet? I'll take a look.
    
    Oh yeah, I vote for a new conference. This one for Doom has worked
    really well... It's *far* better than having just one topic in GAMES.
    However, we let DOOM live in GAMES for so long, there's a lot of "lost"
    information. It would be a shame for the same to happen to Heretic.
    
    Cheers, Laurie.

    Ok, I've found the shareware V1.0 of Heretic (see .18). It's a single
    ZIP file of 2876540 bytes. I have tested it or anything, but I've stuck
    in in the default DECNET directory of FLYTE:: I expect Dan will move it
    to a permanent place as soon as he can.
    
    Here's the text file that came with it:
    
    --- snip ---
    
    Heretic is a supernatural blast-fest that is the most realistic,
    action-packed fantasy combat computer game for the PC.  Created by the
    graphic masters at Raven Software in concert with the technical gurus
    of id Software, Heretic adds new levels of play and graphic wonder to
    the tried and true DOOM gaming environment. 486-33, 4 megs RAM, VGA, 10
    megs HD space. RSAC ADVISORY (tm), Violence: 3 (Blood and Gore)
    
    --- snip ---
    
    Cheers, Laurie.

    

    RE: .37
    
    >>    ARRRGHHH! I had the same error, and deleted all the files in
    >>    frustration! Corrupt WAD file indeed!
    
    I did the same (after yelling some very unChristmas-like words) when
    I tried playing Heretic the morning of the 24th.  There are definitely
    better ways to handle this.
    
    Terry
    

    
    okay!  whos starting the new conference??  :')  better get it going! 
    the release should be out any time!
    

    I took the shareware version home last night. It runs well on my
    486SX-25 with 8 meg, but not at all on my 386DX-40 with 4 meg. So, if
    you haven't got at least 8 meg, don't bother taking it home!
    
    I haven't spent any time playing it, but I watched the demo and it
    looks a real gem...
    
    As for the conference, well, if we're lucky, there'll be space on
    501CLB:: for it!
    
    Cheers, Laurie.

    Hi, 
    
    	I've copied the htic_v10.zip from flyte::, and pkunziped on my PC,
    	but, the intall don't works, the error was:
    
    	error installing htic_V10.EXE.
    
    	the .wad file is installed with some .exe files, and I can't run
    	heretic with heretic.exe, it hang my PC..
    
    	any ideas?
    
    		-Fred-
    

    I had no problems at all. You need lots of memory, and lots of
    diskspace.
    
    Cheers, Laurie.

    Lots of memory and diskpace? I have 8megs ram and 15 megs of
    diskspace... It needs more?
    And I don't think that 8 megs is needed just for the install, may be
    for the game?
    Thanks
    	-Fred-

    Installed with no problems, I have 8meg ram and 8-9meg disk space is
    taken up by the install.
    
    Mark

  Installed :


      At home on Pentium system runs great (8 meg ram).


      At work it will only run in Windows.....(16 meg ram, 486dx2 66)


  I like the sound detail in this game (splashing water when you jump in).


   - Bob

    What happens when you try to play outside of windows?
    
    Mark

    
    re: .41
    
    memory isnt your problem (well, maybe it is) but this game will not run
    on a 386.
    

    Ahhh, I see...
    
    Cheers, Laurie.

                  <<< Note 155.47 by KERNEL::BROWNM "DRAC" >>>

>>    What happens when you try to play outside of windows?
    
>>    Mark


  It starts to load but stops and hangs. Works great in Windows though.

    
    - Bob

    
    	Ok, heretic didn't work on a 386 with 16 megs ram, but it works
    	fine in my PC 486 with 4megs... :-)
    
    	Only the 486's can run heretic? or the 386 have a problem! :-(
    
    		-Fred-

    Weird that your Copy won't work outside of Windows, most games have the
    trouble running inside windows.
    
    Mine works either in or out of Windows, I know this because I installed
    heretic from a dos shell then forgot I was in a dos shell and ran it,
    only later did I realise I was in a dos shell.  I wondered why it was
    so slow :-)
    
    Mark

    
    re: .51
    
    read .48
    

Totally Unauthorized Cheat Codes for Heretic.
by Robert E. Waring

Guess you would like to know how to cheat in Heretic, well, 
don't type iddqd, you've probably figured that one out by now.  
idkfa doesn't work either.  I'll show you the codes that do work, 
and if you have any problems, or questions, 
drop me a note at 73252,1413.  

Also, look for my Totally Unauthorized Guide 
to DOOM II & Heretic due out soon!
I'm working on the developers parameters, 
i.e. -devparm, and will upload that document as soon as I can.

The Heretic Cheat Codes

Note: Just type these codes in while playing, 
you will receive the benefit immediately.  These codes only
work on the first 4 difficulty levels, the 5 level is like the 
nightmare mode in DOOM & DOOM II.

The Code		What it does

kitty		=	Toggle Clipping 
			- Walk through walls, type it again 				
			to turn it off

ravmap		=	Shows entire map in map mode 
			(Hit tab for map mode)
			type ravmap twice shows where all the monsters are
			type ravmap a third time to revert to the original.

massacre	=	This kills all of the monsters on the current level.

skel		=	This gives you all the keys

rambo		=	This gives you all the weapons and 200% Armor!

quicken		=	GOD Mode.  You can't be harmed

ponce		=	Full Health

shazam		=	Weapon Power up (Tome of Power) lasts for 30 secs.

engage		=	Level Warp.  i.e. engage12 would take you to
			the second level of the first epidsode.

gimme		=	This gives you the other Heretic items from a menu.
			
			It will ask for an item letter (a-j)
			and a quanity (1-9)

			i.e. gimme a 9 
			This would give you 9 invincibility rings.
			You then use the items from your inventory 
			using the [ ] keys to select it, then press 
			enter to load the item, press enter again 
			during play to use the item.
			
	Here are the letters for the gimme command
		
	a:	Ring of Invincibility
	b:	Shadowsphere (Partial Invisibility)
	c:	Quartz Flask (Purple Vial, gives 7 chain links of health)
	d:	bad input (havn't figured this one out yet)
	e:	Tome of Power (Black Skull Book, gives your weapons superpowers!
	f:	Torch (Light up dark areas, duh.)
	g:	Bomb of the Ancients (If you lay one down, move away fast!)
	h:	Morph Ovum (Turns the enemy into a chicken)
		- The little chickens will attack and peck you, kill them!
	i:	Wings of Wrath (You can fly!)
	j:	bad input (havn't figured this one out yet)


And finally, ever wonder what Heretic looks like 
from a chickens point of view? 

Type cockadoodledoo	
This turns you into a chicken for a short period of time.


I hope this helps in your struggles and look for more 
extensive coverage of Heretic in my
Totally Unauthorized Guide to Heretic due out soon!


Robert E. Waring
Author of DOOM & DOOM II: Totally Unauthorized 			

    
    	This doesn't work with the beta version.  Is there another
    	version somewhere?
    
    							Scott.
    

RE:          <<< Note 155.55 by MILKWY::SMCCORMICK "Boston Strangler" >>>
    
�    	This doesn't work with the beta version.  Is there another
�    	version somewhere?
    
    Do try to keep up! Try .38
    
    Cheers, Laurie.

    
    	I have been keeping up. :^P   :^)
    
    	The only heretic file is the HT_BETA.ZIP; file.
    
    	That is the one I have.
    
    							 Scott.
    

RE:          <<< Note 155.57 by MILKWY::SMCCORMICK "Boston Strangler" >>>
    
�    	I have been keeping up. :^P   :^)
    
    No you haven't!
    
�    	The only heretic file is the HT_BETA.ZIP; file.
    
    No it isn't! (as per instructions in .38)
    
    $> dir flyte::h*.zip 
    
    HTIC_V10.ZIP;1          5619/5619     27-DEC-1994 10:58:25.00
    
    Total of 1 file, 5619/5619 blocks.
    
    Happy New Year, Laurie.

    Laurie, 
    
    leave the poor huy alone :-)  Not everyone knows what a default decnet
    directory means, some of us poor sods want to forget what one is :-)
    
    Mark

    
    hmmm... wonder if the cheat codes work in network play....  probably
    not.  that wouldnt be fair :')
    

    
    	I see now, I was looking for it in the area I got
    	the beta file.
    
    	Thanks a bunch.
    
    						Scott.
    

I loaded Heretic last night and ended up with sound FX 
problems similar to those I encountered (and still
encounter) in Doom ][ - i.e. any sound effects triggers
a click which echoes on about a 200ms delay with a 
feedback of about 105% meaning the echo increases in
loadness over time.

Is anyone else getting this problem on Heretic? Was there
a fix for Doom ][ which I may have missed and which might
also work for Heretic?

BTW, I've tried a few, but my current settings are:

			SFX		Music
	
	Device		SoundBlaster	WaveBlaster
	MIDI Port	220		330
	IRQ		7
	DMA		1
	No of FX Ch.	3

I've got an Ensoniq Soundscape card which works fine with
all other versions of Doom.


advTHANKSance,

Jonathan

    Hi Jonathan,
    
    	I use the Reveal SC600 which also boasts the Ensoniq Soundscape
    chip. There's a fix posted by Ensoniq on Compuserve which is supposed
    to cure your problem. It didn't work for me with the Reveal, but there
    are supposed to be some Reveal specifics which aren't catered for. Let
    me know if you want it and I'll try and remember to get you the fix.
    
    	Steev		

    is there a Heretic notes conference yet?
    
    Or why not just extend this conference for the Heretic levels??
    
    I'm down to level 4 (or five) and beginning to suffer from lots of 
    monsters (especially those dang flying deamons, the imps of Heretic)
    coming at me too quick to do anything but cheat.
    
    Looking for new battle/survial tips and techniques.
    
    	Dave.

    
    i asked the same... people decided we should have a seperate
    conference, but no volunteers to host it yet.  
    

    When playing a deathmatch game in Heretic and some jokester turns you
    into a chicken you can use the tome of power book to restore your self
    back to normal.
    
    			Regards, Robert
    

    re .66
    
    Personally, I find pecking them to death to be far more satisfying
    
    :^)
    
    Clive

    Re: .65 
    
    Is there a document somewhere detailing what is required of a
    conference moderator and giving exhaustive instructions on `How to'.
    
    If I thought it feasible I would volunteer to moderate the Heretic
    conference. I am, however, as green as they come regarding notes
    commands.   ?:'.
    
    	Nick
    

    
    okay, since nobody is coming forward!!!  *ILL* host the heretic
    conference!
    
    location to follow later today...
    
    

    Ok, Im a DOOM and DOOM2 fan. Since the kid's and I finished DOOM2 in
    Network mode at Ultra Violence over Xmas life has been dull... but this
    conference has saved the day.
    
    	HERETIC.... great, Love it.
    
    But... If you save a network game it doesn't show up from SETUP. You
    can use -loadgame param from DOS with IPXSETUP and that works fine. I
    know this is a minor whinge, but if there is a solution I would
    appreciate it.
    
    Can't wait to get the full registered version....
    
    Paul.