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Conference 501clb::pcdoom

Title:	Doom - The Game
Notice:	Doom stuff - see 183 Out of HOURS Access
Moderator:	BAHTAT::HILTON

Created:	Tue Jun 14 1994
Last Modified:	Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:	212
Total number of notes:	3287

132.0. "Doom 2: Survior's Guide bugs" by DAVE::MITTON (Token rings happen) Mon Oct 10 1994 12:34

    The DooM II "Surviors Guide" (about $6.98) that came with my package
    is nothing like the Official Guide to the original Doom.
    
    It only recaps the monsters and weapons (which you already have a
    description of in the game docs) and then give the level maps
    without description.
    
    The level maps don't show the triggers.  They do show switches, but no
    explanation of what they control.
    
    Furthermore the maps have BUGS!  
    
    The map for Level 7; Dead Simple promises a compartment on the NE side
    of the level with a BFG.  It ain't there.  The map also doesn't show
    the IV sphere and one of the weapons on the southern platforms.
    
    The map for Level 8, Tricks and Traps also promises a BFG off one of
    the rooms.  I could not find it.  And heaven knowns you can use it in
    this level.
    
    (I finally got my BFG in Level 9!)
    
    	Dave.

T.R	Title	User	Personal Name	Date	Lines
132.1		FORTY2::HOWELL	Just get to the point...	`Mon Oct 10 1994 12:43`	7
	There IS a room in the NE corner of Dead Simple with a BFG. You just only see it in deathmatch (as far as I know). As for the BFG, by the start of Tricks & Traps, I had EVERYTHING. You are simply missing something. Hope this helps :-) !!
132.2		VESSA::MICHAELSONJ	Dedicated Bugger	`Mon Oct 10 1994 13:09`	5
	I could be wrong (!) but since you can assign a skill level to a thing (eg if you aren't playing in Ultraviolent), then you may not "see" all available objects, ie the BFG. Just a thought... Jonathan (still waiting for my copy of Doom ][)
132.3		FORTY2::HOWELL	Just get to the point...	`Mon Oct 10 1994 13:28`	4
	That's true, yes. I imagine that's why he hasn't got the BFG. My first time around I played at woopsy pansy level {8^] Sorry, I'll get onto some harder fragging like you guys tonight....
132.4	What changes based on vlevel?	DAVE::MITTON	Token rings happen	`Tue Oct 11 1994 11:10`	8
	hmm.... It was my understanding that the Violence level only affected the number of monsters, and maybe some of the artifacts. Are you now telling me that the walls/configuration also changes? I guess someone with a WAD editor should be able to comment on this? Dave (yes, playing not-too-rough first time through)
132.5	yes and no	VESSA::MICHAELSONJ	Dedicated Bugger	`Tue Oct 11 1994 13:05`	9
	In my experience of WAD creation (certainly in orig. DOOM) any THING (ie anything you can see/collect/kill other than walls) can be given a value which determines on which skill levels it will appear (ie 1-4 or all). Therefore if you are playing on some mamby-pamby soft level then you might not see certain things (or transversly may see more more, eg ammo). This absolutely does not apply to walls/moving sectors/switches etc. Jonathan
132.6	NE Alcove in "Dead Simple"	FORTY2::HOWELL	Just get to the point...	`Wed Oct 12 1994 07:50`	16
	Yes I agree. Regarding this BFG-area on "Dead Simple" :- What I think MIGHT happen is this.... there's an area underground where, when playing deathmatch, it is possible to start from. However while playing normal play, there is no way to get to it ( ie. the trigger for the lift to it is only on one side). Now, down there must be either a trigger line or a switch which reveals this small alcove in the NE corner containing the BFG (ie. lifts up the wall). I can see no other way to limit an area in one mode of play, but allow it in another. But one thing is for definite, it DOES exist (just turn clipping off and walk through the wall!) Dan
132.7	BFG in Tricks 'n Traps'	FAILTE::HUTCHESONT		`Tue Oct 25 1994 08:53`	16
	re .0 When I did Tricks 'n' Traps I didn't find a BFG, but I've just watched someone else find it. Its in the room with lots of two-legged pink wilderbeast. The left hand red switch opens the outer room door, the right hand opened a door at the back of the room, which I'm sure it didn't do for me (on the same difficulty level - UltraViolence, I think it is). Entering this room, killing the pinkos then opening a wall to the right (as you enter) gets the BFG. Hope this isn't giving too much away. Tim.
132.8	sometimes the clues are subtle	DAVE::MITTON	Token rings happen	`Tue Oct 25 1994 12:19`	8
	Yes, I've re-started Doom II at a higher skill/violence level, and the BFG in Trick & Traps becomes available. (or maybe I hadn't put it all together before) You need to get two switches before the room becomes reachable, and you have to know to shoot the wall, to get it to open. A hint: Notice the candles lying around in this level. Dave.