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Conference 501clb::pcdoom

Title:Doom - The Game
Notice:Doom stuff - see 183 Out of HOURS Access
Moderator:BAHTAT::HILTON
Created:Tue Jun 14 1994
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:212
Total number of notes:3287

124.0. "WinDoom was running on Windows-95" by ROMEOS::HARRIS_MA (Sales Consultant) Wed Sep 21 1994 09:24

    Two weeks ago I saw what appeared to be a nearly complete version of
    Doom running Under Windows-95 in Microsoft's boot at the Windows
    Solutions Trade Show in San Francisco. It was great to see it so
    close...
    
    Mark
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124.1KDX200::ROBRDaybreak at the bottom of a lake...Wed Sep 21 1994 11:256
    
    um, whats windows-95??  first time ive heard it called that...
    (well, second actually, but the first time i thought it was a joke...
    now that ive seen it twice...)
    
    
124.2Windows 95BAHTAT::HILTONBeer...now there's a temporary solutionWed Sep 21 1994 11:463
    Windows-95=Windows 4=Chicago
    
    Windows 95 is the 'official' name I believe.
124.3Chicago=win-95=win-4=METSYS::ALLENThat's right, I was bounced.Wed Sep 21 1994 12:044
    I'm gonna call it "Bill Gates' Wind" then!
    
    
    ...Seeing as we seem to be able to call it whatever we want!
124.4OCTAVE::VIGNEAULTSurveyor of the UniverseWed Sep 21 1994 12:335
    
    Yup, Windows-95 is the official name.  It will be marketed to death 
    with a logo campaign etc.
    
    Lv
124.5KDX200::ROBRDaybreak at the bottom of a lake...Wed Sep 21 1994 12:414
    
    no more windows 4.0 eh?  i guess they avoided the bad luck number and
    got us to remember the year it came out
    
124.6WinDoomBAHTAT::HILTONBeer...now there's a temporary solutionFri Oct 14 1994 08:4513
    Somebody's posted WinDoom on the Internet, and for a short time it's on
    bahtat::windm.zip.
    
    This will contain the following files:
    
    wing10.zip - MS WinGraphics - install first
    windm1.zip - GUESS!
    windm2.zip - 
    windoom.faw
    
    Cheers,
    
    Greg
124.7FORTY2::HOWELLJust get to the point...Fri Oct 14 1994 08:585
    windm.zip copied to FLYTE::USER1:[ARCHIVE.DOOM.MISC]
    
    Can't say as to whether it'll stay there yet. We are currently trying
    to discover if it is a shareware version or not. Let's hope it is boys
    'n' girls (unfortunately we can't tell until we've unZIPped it!)
124.8can't get there from hereDAVE::MITTONToken rings happenFri Oct 14 1994 10:376
%COPY-E-OPENIN, error opening FLYTE::USER1:[ARCHIVE.DOOM.MISC]WINDM.ZIP;1
as input 
-RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violation

So what's the word?
	Dave.  (this should slow my pentium down a bit)
124.9FORTY2::HOWELLJust get to the point...Fri Oct 14 1994 10:399
    We're currently awaiting news of Id to make sure this copy is... umm...
    'legal'....
    
    The file is there, but just not set at the mo.... 
    
    As soon as we here news, you'll be the first to know!
    
    Cheers,
    	Dan
124.10FORTY2::HOWELLJust get to the point...Mon Oct 17 1994 05:376
    Sorry, it's no go. Id were not the problem.... it was Microsoft who
    would have fragged our butts.....
    
    :-l
    
    Dan
124.11it works only sort ofDAVE::MITTONToken rings happenFri Oct 21 1994 17:057
    Well, I managed a copy anyways... and it's not worth it.
    It's still beta demo quality and doesn't even perform that well on my
    Pentium.  I could not find anyway to access the options screen or see
    my status display.    No music.  Sound often truncated or didn't sync
    well with the action.  All-in-all, I was disappointed.
    
    	Dave.
124.12old Beta?BAHTAT::HILTONBeer...now there's a temporary solutionMon Oct 24 1994 09:378
    re .11
    
    I think that copy was real Beta stuff from over a year ago. I would
    expect there is something better around.
    
    Cheers,
    
    greg
124.138^)TROOA::BARTLETTSame job ... New planet ...Mon Oct 24 1994 11:049
    
    re: .11
    
    Isn't that about par for any MS product? You obviously haven't seen the
    marketing campain yet, it will change your impression of the product.
    
    Jason...
    
    
124.14not bad for a net.demoSUBPAC::MAGGARDIntegrate!Mon Oct 24 1994 11:3626
> It's still beta demo quality and doesn't even perform that well on my
> Pentium.  

After FTPing the proper wing.dll, it played fine on my p90/ATImach64 in the
320x200 video mode (SMALL!) but the frame rate drops to ~12 in 640x480 mode.

> I could not find anyway to access the options screen or see my status
> display.    

ditto.

> No music.  

music worked on my system (SB16asp/scsi2).  Sounded like the v1.666 music.

> Sound often truncated or didn't sync well with the action.  

I got the truncated sound thing a couple times, but didn't have any sync
problems. 

> All-in-all, I was disappointed.

IMO, it's not too bad for a beta...  ...on par with what you get from
typical internet distributed playable demos.

- jeff_sticking_w/_the_DOS_version
124.15OK with NT 3.5MSDOA::MCCLOUDMiddleaged Mutant Ninja Service TechThu Oct 27 1994 11:595
    	It runs fine on NT 3.5 I have a 486/66 16mb. The speed was just
    fine of course I did not need to install the wing stuff and the program
    is in its infant stage ie. no status screen or menu to change from one
    level to the other and control sound. It also craps all over my screen
    colors when the apps closes.
124.16stop making senseSUBPAC::MAGGARDIntegrate!Thu Oct 27 1994 12:1218
> Sorry, it's no go. Id were not the problem.... it was Microsoft who would
> have fragged our butts.....

Well it doesn't seem that MS is doing a whole lot to prevent its
circulation... ...based on the fact that this WinDoom beta-whatever is
available via FTP in many places.  And I believe they haven't gone after the
guy who put the .zip file together with his name and e-mail address plastered
all over the readme.  If the policy of Digital is to not distribute it without
permission, then fine by me.  If someone wants it, they can find it elsewhere
without difficulty.  

IMO, WinDoom is a nice thing to try once and then delete... ...which is
probably why nobody really cares, since anyone who wants to play that
shareware doom will get better performance and more features in DOS anyway!

- jeff_not_tryin_to_make_trouble,_
  but_just_making_an_idle_point_:-)

124.17Where can I get WinDOOM?WRKSYS::NIEMIFri Dec 16 1994 16:284
    Does anyone know where one can get a copy of WinDOOM off the net?
    Anyone have a pointer?
    
    Erin
124.18oh... OUR net... no, it would be against company policyKDX200::ROBRDrinks for all my friends...Fri Dec 16 1994 22:005
    
    its junk, but it is available all over the place even though microsoft
    said NO!!  YOU CANT RELEASE THIS PUBLICLY.  check places like
    wuarchive.wustl.edu and stuff (if you can get on :'))
    
124.19When is it going to be released?WRKSYS::NIEMIMon Mar 20 1995 13:265
    When the heck is IBM going to finish DOOM for Windows?  Is it out yet?
    Anybody know the scheduled release date?
    
    Erin
    
124.20PCBUOA::KRATZMon Mar 20 1995 14:395
    IBM??
    Probably the day our workstation group builds a PowerPC  ;-)
    
    According to id, however, it will be a Win32 app with Alpha and
    MIPS versions.
124.21KDX200::ROBROur country reeks of trees...Tue Mar 21 1995 12:055
    
    I got a chuckle out of that.... IBM :')
    
    easy to get Id and Microsoft confused with IBM :')
    
124.22BAHTAT::HILTONBeer...now there's a temporary solutionThu Mar 23 1995 05:093
    PC Format in the UK said MS flew them out to look at 'latest Win95
    developements' one of which was a Win95 version of Doom ][.
    
124.23SUBPAC::MAGGARDMail Order WivesThu Mar 23 1995 23:2514
Microsoft will never offer WinDoom or WinDoomII ....



Because they'd break their perfect record 
of selling software that people hate using.



ba da BOOM!  :-)

- jeff

124.24METALX::SWANSONRide The LightningFri Mar 24 1995 15:236
    re: -1
    
    Yeah, can you imagine a Microsoft commercial where... instead of the
    kid doing his homework on a pentium, he's playing Doom?!!
    
    Ken
124.25KDX200::ROBROur country reeks of trees...Fri Mar 24 1995 16:172
    i still love the intel commercial with wing commander :')
    
124.26WinDoom livesDAVE::MITTONWindows in '95Mon Apr 03 1995 17:054
    I saw WinDooM running on a random system in the MS booth at
    NetWorld+Interop last week.   Didn't stop to see any details.
    
    	Dave.
124.27WinDoom is close....BAHTAT::HILTONBeer...now there's a temporary solutionTue May 09 1995 09:2912
    Got this mail from the sysop of the Microsoft Network games area,
    regarding my question about the availability of WinDoom:
    
    This will be going into General Beta real soon now (like within 2
    weeks). It will be posted into the File Library when available and I'll
    post some announcements around...
    
    	drews (Computer Games Sysop)
    
    
    
    
124.28it'll ship with WindozeWhenever :-)SUBPAC::MAGGARDMail Order WivesTue May 09 1995 12:434
"two weeks" eh???

- jeff
124.29KDX200::ROBRWho wants to live forever?Tue May 09 1995 17:575
    
    windoom2 is also coming out.  runs under win32s (poorly) or win95 or
    nt.  still not at the same sort of speeds as the dos version though,
    i was getting about 18 fps under NT on a pentium-60 w/32 meg.
    
124.30UpdateBAHTAT::HILTONhttp://blyth.lzo.dec.comTue Aug 08 1995 13:4829
    From the MSN:
    
    Doom II For Windows
    
    As id has already reported, Doom II is being ported to Windows.
    
    Originally, the port was using the Win32 DIB Section APIs, and was
    capable of getting respectable speed on decent hardware.
    
    Microsoft has recently announced the Games SDK, which includes API
    that have been specifically tuned too address the needs of action
    packed games development.
    
    After carefully considering the options, and the alternatives, it has
    been decided that a game like DOOM really deserves to be implemented
    via the Games SDK API. This work is currently in progress, and is
    showing great promise.
    
    id has a policy of "no beta's", and to date, no betas of "Doom II For
    Windows" have been released. Any copies you might have heard of, or
    seen, or even have are bootlegged 'Technology Demos', and should be
    deleted immediately.
    
    Once the current development of "Doom II For Windows" based on the
    Games SDK has been completed. It will be made available through the
    normal channels.
    
    
    
124.31PCBUOA::KRATZTue Aug 08 1995 16:361
    Does the use of the Win32 Game SDK imply Alpha support just went away?
124.32framerate #'s coming sooN!SUBPAC::MAGGARDMail Ordered HusbandWed Aug 23 1995 11:508
Scr*w WinDoom.  

Doom I and II run just fine on my p90 in a DOS box under Win95 (build 490).  



- jeff