Conference 501clb::pcdoom

I have a Windows DOOM editor called DOOMed unfortunately whenever I run it 
I get an error message along the lines of not a valid WAD file.

Can anybody shed any light on it

Oliver

    I had a look in there, but there are too many things to look at. Can
    anybody recommend an easy-to-use WAD maker ?
    
    
    Tnx,
    Pierre.

>    I had a look in there, but there are too many things to look at.
>    Can anybody recommend an easy-to-use WAD maker ?

Hi Pierre!

"Easy-to-use" and "WAD maker" shouldn't be used in the same sentence, 
or at least that's what I know. I'm told DoomCAD isn't too bad, but
you need to register it before you can build your own levels. Aside 
from that, Deu 5.21 seems to be the best editor out there...

Geoff

    One other thing for you budding (or proficient) developers:
    
    Large WAD files or ones with a lot of monsters tend to run slowly.
    You'll probably want to get your hands on a program called REJECT that
    will recalculate the WAD so that the Doom engine doesn't try to
    recalculate the whole WAD at once. According to what I've read on the
    Internet, it's quite useful...
    
    Geoff

    
    Does anyone know whether DMAUD has been updated to support v1.2 of
    the game ?
    
    Either that or is there another audio editor to patch in alternative
    sound files.
    
    Cheers,
      -John.

I have a version of DMAUD which works with the registered V1.2

but I haven't played with it much (I got with WOLFDOOM )

Oliver

RE: DMAUD

DMAUD should work with *ANY* version of Doom. As far as I know, the 
newest version of DMAUD (1.2?) will allow you to extract and write
over the sounds in the DOOM.WAD file. 

Adding a -X at the end of the command line will also let you put in
sounds that are different lengths than the one currently there.

Geoff

To correct a previous post of my own -- the newest version of 
DoomCad (which I believe is available on SHUVVA) does NOT require
you register to build your own levels, but is still requested
by the designer...

Geoff

    Is there any "Help" or "Doc" for a doom editor? (Like WADED or DOOMED)
     Thanks for help..

    
    There are some additional documents for DEU available, they are
    available at shuvva::dkb0:[doom.editors]deu51doc.zip along with
    the editor itself. There is a newer version of the editor but I
    suspect that the docs will still be suitable.
    
    John.

    Thanks for this "rapide reponse"!

    
    I like the idea of modelling my working location (don't *YOU* fancy the
    idea of blowing away that B*****D down the corridor who annoyed you
    yesterday?), but would like an idea of the amount of time and effort I
    would have to invest to do it, before embarking on the project.
    
    I would most likely attempt to do it in stages, like use one type of
    wall, door etc to block out the maze, then think about placement of
    objects, monsters etc.  [How about an oilcan of nasty in place of a
    coffee machine?].  Then to embellish it, do stairs, different levels
    etc.  Should I draw a plan on paper etc first?
    
    Thanks,
    Ian

Hmm.. This is a co-worker sprite.. This is a Boss daemon.. This is a Visiting
VP Cacodaemon.....


Now.. If you could only change the faces....... :-)


David

Well my favourite editors are DEU (not windows, but quicker when you
know the keypresses), DoomEd and DoomCAD (runin windows so the toggling
of tags is a lot easier, but the whole thing is a slower process to do
simple things... IMHO!).

You have to sit down and play before you get the hang of it, and
drawing the level on paper helps. Read the doom development FAQ and as
much relavant documentation as you can. These will all be found on the
usual FTP sites.

As for editing sprites/sounds/music/etc I haven't started on this yet
but it doesn't look TOO daunting ;-) !!!

Have fun. Nuke them coffee machines!

> You have to sit down and play before you get the hang of it, and
> drawing the level on paper helps. Read the doom development FAQ and as
> much relavant documentation as you can. These will all be found on the
> usual FTP sites.  
    
    By 'sit down and play' I presume you mean play with the editor?  Or do
    you mean play with DOOM?  If the latter, I've done it!
    
    Is there a VMS location for the docs (esp. DOOM devt FAQ)?
    
    And to save me a future hunt for info, can you generate new monsters?
    
    Cheers,
    Ian
    

    re. Play
    
    	I found it was useful to start with a pre-constructed level and
    look at how it is built (ie. linedefs values, etc) then look at it in
    Doom. Then try modifying it in an editor. Re-load it to doom and see if
    the alteration you made is what you thought would happen or not! By
    'play' I guess I meant both... before starting your own level, just
    mess around with other ones until you know the ins and outs.
    
    	That's what I did, anyway.

    re. VMS location
    	I had a look on FLYTE but couldn't find the development FAQ, maybe
    ask John (IOSG::CHEWTER) he'd know if it's in there anywhere. It's
    definately on the WWW, but I can never get that damn thing to
    download...
    
    re. Make new Monsters
    	Not sure what you mean here. If you mean can you change the sprites
    so that, say, an Imp appears as your boss, then YES you can BUT it'd
    take a bit of work. Lots of sprites to be changed etc.
    
    	If you mean change their behaviour, make a completely new monster,
    then NO (not that I know of). This would require some major hacking, I
    imagine. The thing is certain monsters have certain attributes. ie Imps
    shoot fireballs, sergeants shotguns, soldiers rifles, Barons plasma.
    Cacodemons float but are slow, Lost Souls float but can be fast, etc
    etc.
    
    	In short you can change the way the monsters LOOK in the game, but
    making your own new monsters is nigh on impossible, I would've thought.

    
         RE: -.1
    
         Ahh, yes, but if you get Doom Hack you can change the 
            attributes of any sprite... I've fooled around with it
            a little bit. There are some files out there that people
            have created that change items around... Like...
    
         Chaingun Shotgun: Infinite ammo and fires about several
                           burts at one time... Totally devastating.
    
         Moving Barrels:   Toxic barrels move towards you and explode
                           on contact...
    
         Sergeant Chaingunners: Changes the weapon of the shotgun wielding
                                sergeants to chainguns...
    
    
         It's a very useful editor but is difficult to use... The one
            that I had that is, perhaps a later version would be
            better...
    
                                                          Bye,
                                                           Mike.

    
    I've added a new section on FLYTE;
    
    FLYTE::USER1:[ARCHIVE.DOOM.TEXT]*.*
     
    It's got a load of text files that may be of help, including the FAQs
    for the game and the designing.
    
    -John.

    Cheers John.
    

    
    I looked at the filenames in the directory, but couldn't detect which
    one was most relevant to designing WADS.  Any chance of a filename
    pointer please?

    FLYTE::USER1:[ARCHIVE.DOOM.TEXT]DMSPEC13.TXT
    
    ....these are the official Doom specs. I find these useful.

    ..oh, forgot, there's also TUTORIAL.TXT if you're starting off
    afresh...

     I just got a Doom editor called Waded and I'm having a lot of trouble
    with it.My main problem is that I can't figure out how to run the wad
    files I create.I will gladly except any help at all.
    
               sincerely,
                     Andy

    1. Save the WAD file from your editor (eg. LEVEL.WAD)�
    
    2. Start doom like this :-
    
    	c:\GAMES\DOOM > doom -file level.wad
    
    
    That's it!
    
    �NOTE: 'Ideally' you should run a decent nodes builder after doing
    this. Try the BSP nodes builder on flyte :-
    
    	FLYTE::USER1:[ARCHIVE.DOOM.EDITORS]BSP11X.*
    
    Dan

    Thanks, I just tried it and it works great.

    A few days ago I copied waded142.zip from
    flyte::user1:[archive.doom.editors] and when I tried to unzip it I a
    error message. So far I have used every version of pkunzip I could get
    my hands on and still no luck.Any suggestions?
     
         Andy

    I updated this directory yesterday. You might care to try grabbing the
    file again.

    Thank you! I just grabbed it a few minutes ago and it works fine.

    Yesterday when I tried to run a wad file I made I got a message saying 
    z_check heap:block size does not touch the next block. Another message
     I got is flat num for name. Anyone know what they are trying to tell
    me?
            Andy
            

    Does anybody know the function/meaning of `unpegged textures'. I am
    currently working with DEU 5.21 which, IMHO, is a great editor compared
    to WADED and WADSUP.
    
    Thanks to the clear documentation I found it remarkably easy to learn
    over the christmas break, there's just no mention of when or when not
    to use unpegged upper and lower textures.
    
    Tanx,
    		Nick

    re: -1
    
    Sorry to waste notes space. I answered my own question last night by
    looking in the TUTOR directory created by DEU and reading the
    TUTOR.DOC, seems the documentation is even better than I thought. 8*)
    
    Nick $feeling_as_dumb_as_a_Cacodemon_looks_under_chaingun_fire

I downloaded version 4.2 (Blimey, that's skipped a few from 2.60b) of Renegades
DoomEd "The Real Thing". It has full support for Doom and Doom ][. I don't know
about Heretic. The user interface has been updated and expanded, but the
tutorials and help aren't included unless you register. Looks smarter than ever.

Dan, I don't know if you can get it on ftp, I suppose if it's available on CIS
it should be out there somewhere. Definitely worth a look for those of you who
want to develop your own Wads, the interface is light years ahead of DEU, IMHO.

Jonathan
    

    I'm interested :-))))) !!!
    
    Where abouts is it, then? ftp.orst.edu seems all screwed up at the
    moment (nothing on it). Can you get it up on the Easynet?
    
    Cheers,
    Dan

    Weeeeell Dan,
    
    I suppose I should have had a look before I posted the note :-)
    
    I downloaded it at the weekend from compuserve...it's in GO ACTION if
    anyone has access. Unfortunately my PC stays at home near Brum at the
    weekend, and I travel down to Newbury, so I can't get hold of it.
    
    <bashing head on desk> Maybe I should have brought a copy with me :-)
    
    I'll have a look on the Web and see if I can find a copy (in my own
    time of course) and let you know...sorry, maybe I shouldn't have said
    anything without a location.
    
    Jonathan

    Mental torture, that, I should have you charged! ;-)
    
    Cheers,
    Dan

    Ok, I took a tea break ;-)
    
    I've found it on the Web on the following page :
    
    http://doomgate.cs.buffalo.edu/ftptree/pub/idgames/utils/level_edit
    
    It's called (surpisingly enough) doomed42.zip !
    
    Don't ever say I didn't help :-)
    
    Jonathan

    Right-o. Working on it :-)
    
    Dan$busy

    Okay. Currently copying to USER1:[ARCHIVE.DOOM.EDITORS] is
    
    DOOMED42.*
    
    -Enjoy!
    
    Dan

    Has anyone seen DCK yet?  IT's the sequel to DEU and is absolutely
    amazing.  Allows you to edit doom, doom II and heretic wads.  You get a
    preview of the map before you load, so if you have forgotten what you
    called your wad file you can get a preview.
    
    The best thin IMO is the ability to zoom into the map and if you
    selected the option actually see the objects represented as sprites.
    
    right clicking brings up a mini menu for changing modes, it is just an
    excellent little utility, it also has an integrity checker that
    highlights any problems and can fix them (whether the fix is what you
    want is up to you).  Not being a Doom wad editor extraordinaire (I
    cannot figure it all out) I cannot say if it is functionally better,
    but I was able to get to grips with it a lot quicker than DEU.
    
    If it isn't on flyte I will copy it over tomorrow or later in the week.
    
    
    Mark

> Has anyone seen DCK yet?  

got a pointer?

I wuz thinkin of making up a wad of a Vegas casino...  (inspired by a recent
bizniz trip to said famous gultch of glitter :-)


- jeff

    
    Please, is it freely available?
    
    Ian

    I will upload it to flyte tomorrow, I didn't have time last night to
    copy it to disk.  It's full title is Doom COnstruction Kit (hence DCK).
    
    Mark

    I take it we're talking a newer version that 1.1a (Dated: 09/05/94) ??
    
    (This version is already available on flyte/seamus as DCK11A.ZIP)
    
    Cheers,
    Dan

    Not sure, I didn't get it from flyte, so it could be the same, I will
    check tonight.
    
    Mark

  DCK22.ZIP is out and is dated 3/16/95........Haven't used it yet but look 
 forward to it.

    
    I've now been using DCK11A as available in the DECNET shared areas...
    
    I like it lots, however, can some make version 2.2 available for
    comparison please?   Assuming its shareware of course...
    
    Thanks,
    Ian